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Honestly, Matthew mcconaughey in season 1 of true detective is one of the best acting performances I've ever seen in any television show. That shit was incredibleTWiiX wrote:I think we're the same person. I can't recommend these 4 shows enough.RParadela wrote:Mr. Robot, Game of Thrones, and Westworld are the best 3 shows on television. Also, True Detective season 1 is amazing
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JudgedDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
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Ok so how do Hobbes and Locke differ? Hobbes recognizes that there are some "laws" of nature to strive for, but there are too many people who seek their own self interest that they're unattainable in without governments.poptart123 wrote:For the most part but Locke recognizes that there are some humans that will not co-habitate peacefully and thus we form governments to protect our natural rights: life, liberty, and property.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:I think it's more subtle than I explained it, I'm not totally certain which is why I want to speak to someone who subscribes to it. It does however sound like given zero laws Locke holds that people would naturally co-habitate and that any violation of the peace would be snuffed out without issuechargers21 wrote:Oh, well then I most certainly do not subscribe to that. I think govenment is required in some form, and that human nature is largely animalistic nature. Our actions are the result of chemicals and environment type of thing. It is amazing that humans have evolved to the point of something that almost resembles actual free will, though. Truly amazing.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:From what I remember (someone who follows Locke will have a better understanding); absent any groups or "proto-governments" peoplechargers21 wrote:I haven't extensively read any of Locke's work, could you summarize the Lockean view of nature?Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Speaking of Lockean views of government, any atheists here who take a lockean view of nature (and by extension of government?)
I'm only agnostic and I can't imagine anything shot of the super-natural keeping people peaceful the way he describes.
E: Also, anyone here take a non hobbes/Locke view of nature? I don't think I've ever met someone who was say Montesquieuan
"order their actions, and dispose of their possessions and persons, as they think fit, within the bounds of the law of nature."
He goes on to say that reason is the law of nature and what binds humans together. When written it was deeply rooted in English Christianity and as I learned it, reason was imbued in all of us through God.
It's the most popular libertarian view on the state of nature, because in holds that Governments are not very necessary and that human beings will naturally trend towards peaceful coexistence
Is it just the percentage of people? Or is it more about the concept of government for protection vs government for ruling citizenry?
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Def trash but I must admit I would fire up the pizza tracker and binge hard.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
Want something nice and light and funny, try Catastrophe on Amazon Prime.
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+1 can vouch for thisRigo wrote:Def trash but I must admit I would fire up the pizza tracker and binge hard.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
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+2 can as wellchandhi wrote:+1 can vouch for thisRigo wrote:Def trash but I must admit I would fire up the pizza tracker and binge hard.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
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Ooh I forgot about night of, I didn't have HBO when it aired.jjcorvino wrote:I really enjoyed Narcos. If you haven't seen "The night of" go watch that now, it is fantastic.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Need a new show.
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I'll check that out, I'm also enjoyed narcos
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Psh, that's nothing. I watch CSI Miami only 3/4 ironicallyRParadela wrote:JudgedDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
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kinda rusty on the topic, but pretty sure the biggest difference between the two is that Locke believes in natural rights and Hobbes does not.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Ok so how do Hobbes and Locke differ? Hobbes recognizes that there are some "laws" of nature to strive for, but there are too many people who seek their own self interest that they're unattainable in without governments.poptart123 wrote:For the most part but Locke recognizes that there are some humans that will not co-habitate peacefully and thus we form governments to protect our natural rights: life, liberty, and property.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:I think it's more subtle than I explained it, I'm not totally certain which is why I want to speak to someone who subscribes to it. It does however sound like given zero laws Locke holds that people would naturally co-habitate and that any violation of the peace would be snuffed out without issuechargers21 wrote:Oh, well then I most certainly do not subscribe to that. I think govenment is required in some form, and that human nature is largely animalistic nature. Our actions are the result of chemicals and environment type of thing. It is amazing that humans have evolved to the point of something that almost resembles actual free will, though. Truly amazing.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:From what I remember (someone who follows Locke will have a better understanding); absent any groups or "proto-governments" peoplechargers21 wrote:I haven't extensively read any of Locke's work, could you summarize the Lockean view of nature?Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Speaking of Lockean views of government, any atheists here who take a lockean view of nature (and by extension of government?)
I'm only agnostic and I can't imagine anything shot of the super-natural keeping people peaceful the way he describes.
E: Also, anyone here take a non hobbes/Locke view of nature? I don't think I've ever met someone who was say Montesquieuan
"order their actions, and dispose of their possessions and persons, as they think fit, within the bounds of the law of nature."
He goes on to say that reason is the law of nature and what binds humans together. When written it was deeply rooted in English Christianity and as I learned it, reason was imbued in all of us through God.
It's the most popular libertarian view on the state of nature, because in holds that Governments are not very necessary and that human beings will naturally trend towards peaceful coexistence
Is it just the percentage of people? Or is it more about the concept of government for protection vs government for ruling citizenry?
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Orphan black is greatDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Need a new show.
Can be on netflix, amazon, Hulu, or HBO.
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Here and present. Blair and Chuck for life.SybillAnnDorsett wrote:Gossip girl stans HIT ME UP.
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Gossip girl is the defining work of our generation and I'm not afraid to stan for it. Chuck and Blair 4eva! If I lived in that show Id send snake emojis to Ivy and VanessaStephylynette wrote:Here and present. Blair and Chuck for life.SybillAnnDorsett wrote:Gossip girl stans HIT ME UP.
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I'm making my boyfriend rewatch Gossip Girl with me and I swear he kind of likes itDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
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Hobbes and Locke differ on pretty much everything but are both important to social contract theory. Hobbes argues from an earlier time than Locke so the historical setting is very different. They both assume life starts in the "state of nature," but these are different to them. Hobbes believes the state of nature is nasty, brutish (British lol), and short. Inversely, Locke sees humans living mostly peacefully and minding themselves but with a few bad apples.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Ok so how do Hobbes and Locke differ? Hobbes recognizes that there are some "laws" of nature to strive for, but there are too many people who seek their own self interest that they're unattainable in without governments.poptart123 wrote:For the most part but Locke recognizes that there are some humans that will not co-habitate peacefully and thus we form governments to protect our natural rights: life, liberty, and property.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:I think it's more subtle than I explained it, I'm not totally certain which is why I want to speak to someone who subscribes to it. It does however sound like given zero laws Locke holds that people would naturally co-habitate and that any violation of the peace would be snuffed out without issuechargers21 wrote:Oh, well then I most certainly do not subscribe to that. I think govenment is required in some form, and that human nature is largely animalistic nature. Our actions are the result of chemicals and environment type of thing. It is amazing that humans have evolved to the point of something that almost resembles actual free will, though. Truly amazing.Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:From what I remember (someone who follows Locke will have a better understanding); absent any groups or "proto-governments" peoplechargers21 wrote:I haven't extensively read any of Locke's work, could you summarize the Lockean view of nature?Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Speaking of Lockean views of government, any atheists here who take a lockean view of nature (and by extension of government?)
I'm only agnostic and I can't imagine anything shot of the super-natural keeping people peaceful the way he describes.
E: Also, anyone here take a non hobbes/Locke view of nature? I don't think I've ever met someone who was say Montesquieuan
"order their actions, and dispose of their possessions and persons, as they think fit, within the bounds of the law of nature."
He goes on to say that reason is the law of nature and what binds humans together. When written it was deeply rooted in English Christianity and as I learned it, reason was imbued in all of us through God.
It's the most popular libertarian view on the state of nature, because in holds that Governments are not very necessary and that human beings will naturally trend towards peaceful coexistence
Is it just the percentage of people? Or is it more about the concept of government for protection vs government for ruling citizenry?
Hobbes believes that a strong ruler, such as the King of Britain, is needed to maintain order and that all citizens secede some liberty to that ruler for protection. Hobbes argues that this power cannot be resisted because the people's power has been ceded to him and thus that this authority is absolute.
Locke, on the other hand, believes a legitimate government is that with the consent of the people to govern. If the government fails to represent and protect the people then the people have the right to overthrow it and establish a new one. Lockean principles are found in much of the American democracy. Unlike Hobbes, Locke does not envision a government with unlimited power. If the government were to have unlimited power over the people Locke would ask why establish a government at all? Why form a government for protection if you have no rights left to be protected?
Nobody really buys Hobbes' arguments anymore, but your reference to an unruly state of nature is similar to what he uses in Leviathan and it reminded me of him. Don't read Leviathan if you are interested in Hobbes, it's really, really, boring and much about divine right. Read a summary instead. Locke's Two Treatises on Government or sometimes Second Treatise on Government (seen it both ways) is a good read if you want to read a historic text that helped shape many governments today. I recommend it, but also a good summary online will do the job too. The first treatise is basically just refuting divine right so you can skip it.
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I was a boyfriend who was also made to do this as well, and definitely ended up liking it! So your boyfriend is not alone.bwaldorf wrote:I'm making my boyfriend rewatch Gossip Girl with me and I swear he kind of likes itDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
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Name that icon:Baby Gaga wrote:Gossip girl is the defining work of our generation and I'm not afraid to stan for it. Chuck and Blair 4eva! If I lived in that show Id send snake emojis to Ivy and VanessaStephylynette wrote:Here and present. Blair and Chuck for life.SybillAnnDorsett wrote:Gossip girl stans HIT ME UP.
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GeorginaSybillAnnDorsett wrote:Name that icon:Baby Gaga wrote:Gossip girl is the defining work of our generation and I'm not afraid to stan for it. Chuck and Blair 4eva! If I lived in that show Id send snake emojis to Ivy and VanessaStephylynette wrote:Here and present. Blair and Chuck for life.SybillAnnDorsett wrote:Gossip girl stans HIT ME UP.
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Georgina is high key my favorite character on the whole damn show. She's a queenbwaldorf wrote:GeorginaSybillAnnDorsett wrote:Name that icon:Baby Gaga wrote:Gossip girl is the defining work of our generation and I'm not afraid to stan for it. Chuck and Blair 4eva! If I lived in that show Id send snake emojis to Ivy and VanessaStephylynette wrote:Here and present. Blair and Chuck for life.SybillAnnDorsett wrote:Gossip girl stans HIT ME UP.
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The wire is amazing.Rigo wrote:I'm on the last season of The Wire and I'm like why did they end this after only 5 seasons?
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Same gossip girl experience. He def secretly likes it.Tazewell wrote:I was a boyfriend who was also made to do this as well, and definitely ended up liking it! So your boyfriend is not alone.bwaldorf wrote:I'm making my boyfriend rewatch Gossip Girl with me and I swear he kind of likes itDr.Degrees_Cr.Cash wrote:Is PLL good trash? I actually enjoyed gossip girl somewhatRigo wrote:Pretty Little Liars.
Also I went into the night ready to start bringing night of but now pretty little liars is on so...
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