Different person who received a rejection email from DOJ Civil today. The email said DOJ Civil regrets to inform me that I was not identified as an honors program finalist, which does seem to mean that they are not necessarily finished hiring yet. I had interviewed with Federal Programs, but the email did not mention that, only that it was from the civil division.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:43 pmFair enough, I’m sorry for the offense. I shoulda just left off the question.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:54 pmYeah, when people say, "you're clearly a strong candidate, I'm sure you'll find something great," I never find that helpful. Especially after a rejection, when I'm most keenly aware of the fact that I wasn't good enough on whatever measurement mattered.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:18 pmI’m sorry. This process is brutal. Would you mind sharing which branch? It looks like Deana may not necessarily be posting branch by branch updates because I see anything about a CIV branch completing hiring. Of course, if you’d rather not say that’s completely fair. You’re clearly a strong candidate if you got this far, and I’m sure you’ll find something else fantastic!
It also comes across as extra shallow when you do it at the same time as trying to extract information from the rejectee, presumably because you still have a chance for an offer.
For the record, if you were even interviewed you ARE a strong candidate. Lots of people don’t even get interviewed. I get that rejection sucks, as I’m sure everyone here knows. Getting this far does honestly feel like a hollow victory when what you really need and want is a job - I feel the same way and have gotten many rejections over the past few months, including through this honors program. But that doesn’t mean you weren’t a strong candidate or that you won’t find something else. Best of luck.
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Any update? Still waiting here as an alternate...Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:47 amI was designated as a finalist for CIV-TORTS last week, but I haven’t heard anything about offers yet.
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Has anyone heard of offers going out of Civil Appellate or Civil Rights? Trying to get a feel for which offices seem to have waited until after Thanksgiving to extend offers. I know both of those offices are popular/competitive, and I haven’t heard anything since finalist designations.
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I think we tend to forget that some offices don’t send out offers until after Thanksgiving.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:33 pmMaybe do not despair.. Reached out to one of my components. They are still in the selection and reference check stage.
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Interviewed with CONS branch. Thanks for the kind words! No offense taken.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:43 pmFair enough, I’m sorry for the offense. I shoulda just left off the question.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:54 pmYeah, when people say, "you're clearly a strong candidate, I'm sure you'll find something great," I never find that helpful. Especially after a rejection, when I'm most keenly aware of the fact that I wasn't good enough on whatever measurement mattered.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:18 pmI’m sorry. This process is brutal. Would you mind sharing which branch? It looks like Deana may not necessarily be posting branch by branch updates because I see anything about a CIV branch completing hiring. Of course, if you’d rather not say that’s completely fair. You’re clearly a strong candidate if you got this far, and I’m sure you’ll find something else fantastic!
It also comes across as extra shallow when you do it at the same time as trying to extract information from the rejectee, presumably because you still have a chance for an offer.
For the record, if you were even interviewed you ARE a strong candidate. Lots of people don’t even get interviewed. I get that rejection sucks, as I’m sure everyone here knows. Getting this far does honestly feel like a hollow victory when what you really need and want is a job - I feel the same way and have gotten many rejections over the past few months, including through this honors program. But that doesn’t mean you weren’t a strong candidate or that you won’t find something else. Best of luck.
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Has anyone heard from OCIJ other than the one reddit user?
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I was designated a finalist for CRT but haven’t heard anything. I suspect (but don’t know) that first round offers have probably gone out by now, given that we know they checked references before designating finalists. Would love to know if anyone has heard of offers going out, though!Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:03 pmHas anyone heard of offers going out of Civil Appellate or Civil Rights? Trying to get a feel for which offices seem to have waited until after Thanksgiving to extend offers. I know both of those offices are popular/competitive, and I haven’t heard anything since finalist designations.
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I am the OP for this. Following up to confirm I still haven’t heard back.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:47 amI was designated as a finalist for CIV-TORTS last week, but I haven’t heard anything about offers yet.
EDIT: Unless another torts finalist confirms otherwise, I don’t think it’s fair to assume we’re not up for first round offers until we haven’t heard back by next week—especially since a bunch of other civil finalists confirmed they haven’t heard back.
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Does anyone know how long after receiving an informal offer you can expect to receive a formal offer package? Makes me nervous not to have anything in writing…
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I received my written offer from ENRD immediately; granted, it is a tentative offer, but still in writing.
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I've read up to a week on previous forums. Do you mind sharing who the offer was from?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:23 pmDoes anyone know how long after receiving an informal offer you can expect to receive a formal offer package? Makes me nervous not to have anything in writing…
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I got an email yesterday from them that they couldn't contact one of my references and needed me to nudge them to respond. Makes me think they haven't decided who they are making offers to yetAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:42 pmHas anyone heard from OCIJ other than the one reddit user?
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Btw, the written letter you get is still an informal offer letter. You won't get a formal offer letter until Congress approves the budget for the next FY and you pass/have a satisfactory review on your background investigation. I didn't get my formal offer letter until a few weeks before my start date!Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:23 pmDoes anyone know how long after receiving an informal offer you can expect to receive a formal offer package? Makes me nervous not to have anything in writing…
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It’s so hard not knowing office’s hiring timelines! I think I’ve seen some people on here earlier in the thread say that Civil Rights told them they would hear back in early December. But that would seem to contradict them doing reference checks before designating finalists. Does anyone know which offices wait to contact references until after designating finalists? I’m trying to (maybe pathetically) think about whether there’s anyone out there who is still trying to decide between two offers and whether as a finalist/alternate I still have a chance.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:05 pmI was designated a finalist for CRT but haven’t heard anything. I suspect (but don’t know) that first round offers have probably gone out by now, given that we know they checked references before designating finalists. Would love to know if anyone has heard of offers going out, though!Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:03 pmHas anyone heard of offers going out of Civil Appellate or Civil Rights? Trying to get a feel for which offices seem to have waited until after Thanksgiving to extend offers. I know both of those offices are popular/competitive, and I haven’t heard anything since finalist designations.
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I’m also curious about this!Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:23 pmHas anyone heard from ATR after being designated a finalist?
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Yes, I received an offer from OCIJ on November 22. But based on the Avue community forum from prior years, it looks like OCIJ offers can take a while. I also heard from a former OCIJ clerk from a few years ago that she received an offer in February.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:42 pmHas anyone heard from OCIJ other than the one reddit user?
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Any news out of FP this week? It sounds like first round offers went out approximately two weeks ago, so that window to accept may be closing.
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Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:55 pmAny update? Still waiting here as an alternate...Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:47 amI was designated as a finalist for CIV-TORTS last week, but I haven’t heard anything about offers yet.
No update on my end (I’m the OP), but I don’t think we can assume we’re alternates just yet when a bunch of other Civil finalists said they haven’t heard back either. Until another torts finalist confirms they received an offer or OARM forwards a “we regret” email, I think it’s best to stay hopeful.
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I’m wondering whether individual branches in the civil division will issue regrets messages to finalists who were not selected or if that message won’t come until every branch in the civil division has finished hiring (which feels needlessly drawn out). It sounds like the branch I’m waiting on sent out first round offers the week before Thanksgiving. At least the initial two week offer period has closed, and I’m expecting a rejection at this point. But I still haven’t heard anything.
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Last year you only received a regrets message once all civil division components were done hiring. With that being said, most people I know involved in hiring wouldn’t care if you sent a check in email to ask about your status.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:40 pmI’m wondering whether individual branches in the civil division will issue regrets messages to finalists who were not selected or if that message won’t come until every branch in the civil division has finished hiring (which feels needlessly drawn out). It sounds like the branch I’m waiting on sent out first round offers the week before Thanksgiving. At least the initial two week offer period has closed, and I’m expecting a rejection at this point. But I still haven’t heard anything.
I do think by now all first round offers would have gone out, but that’s just speculation based on my branch and last year’s process.
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Given that next to no-one has posted regarding offers, I'm inclined to disagree. But what do I know, maybe people just aren't posting updates.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:56 pmLast year you only received a regrets message once all civil division components were done hiring. With that being said, most people I know involved in hiring wouldn’t care if you sent a check in email to ask about your status.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:40 pmI’m wondering whether individual branches in the civil division will issue regrets messages to finalists who were not selected or if that message won’t come until every branch in the civil division has finished hiring (which feels needlessly drawn out). It sounds like the branch I’m waiting on sent out first round offers the week before Thanksgiving. At least the initial two week offer period has closed, and I’m expecting a rejection at this point. But I still haven’t heard anything.
I do think by now all first round offers would have gone out, but that’s just speculation based on my branch and last year’s process.
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This is why I’m not really a fan of the finalist designation step. It’s an accomplishment to make it that far, and alternates should be proud of themselves as a lot of people don’t make it that far. But it’s really, really disheartening to have real excitement after the initial finalist designation, wait by the phone, and then have nobody call and no updates. I think it’d be better if they (1) just affirmatively told alternates they’re alternates, kinda like a waitlist at a college, or (2) said nothing at all until offers are out and then make it standard to give timely branch by branch updates.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:40 pmI’m wondering whether individual branches in the civil division will issue regrets messages to finalists who were not selected or if that message won’t come until every branch in the civil division has finished hiring (which feels needlessly drawn out). It sounds like the branch I’m waiting on sent out first round offers the week before Thanksgiving. At least the initial two week offer period has closed, and I’m expecting a rejection at this point. But I still haven’t heard anything.
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I think folks just aren’t on the forums or aren’t posting.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:04 pmGiven that next to no-one has posted regarding offers, I'm inclined to disagree. But what do I know, maybe people just aren't posting updates.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:56 pmLast year you only received a regrets message once all civil division components were done hiring. With that being said, most people I know involved in hiring wouldn’t care if you sent a check in email to ask about your status.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:40 pmI’m wondering whether individual branches in the civil division will issue regrets messages to finalists who were not selected or if that message won’t come until every branch in the civil division has finished hiring (which feels needlessly drawn out). It sounds like the branch I’m waiting on sent out first round offers the week before Thanksgiving. At least the initial two week offer period has closed, and I’m expecting a rejection at this point. But I still haven’t heard anything.
I do think by now all first round offers would have gone out, but that’s just speculation based on my branch and last year’s process.
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I know at least my branch gave offers the week before thanksgiving so I would be shocked if other branches were far behind (considering that in civil we often interview the same candidates).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:04 pmGiven that next to no-one has posted regarding offers, I'm inclined to disagree. But what do I know, maybe people just aren't posting updates.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:56 pmLast year you only received a regrets message once all civil division components were done hiring. With that being said, most people I know involved in hiring wouldn’t care if you sent a check in email to ask about your status.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:40 pmI’m wondering whether individual branches in the civil division will issue regrets messages to finalists who were not selected or if that message won’t come until every branch in the civil division has finished hiring (which feels needlessly drawn out). It sounds like the branch I’m waiting on sent out first round offers the week before Thanksgiving. At least the initial two week offer period has closed, and I’m expecting a rejection at this point. But I still haven’t heard anything.
I do think by now all first round offers would have gone out, but that’s just speculation based on my branch and last year’s process.
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Do you know where in the process your branch is now? (I.e. still waiting to hear back from folks on accepting/declining, heard back from everyone, etc.). Feel free to totally ignore this question if you don’t feel okay sharing; I get that you may not want to share too much about the internal hiring process, and that makes sense.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:29 pmI know at least my branch gave offers the week before thanksgiving so I would be shocked if other branches were far behind (considering that in civil we often interview the same candidates).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:04 pmGiven that next to no-one has posted regarding offers, I'm inclined to disagree. But what do I know, maybe people just aren't posting updates.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:56 pmLast year you only received a regrets message once all civil division components were done hiring. With that being said, most people I know involved in hiring wouldn’t care if you sent a check in email to ask about your status.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:40 pmI’m wondering whether individual branches in the civil division will issue regrets messages to finalists who were not selected or if that message won’t come until every branch in the civil division has finished hiring (which feels needlessly drawn out). It sounds like the branch I’m waiting on sent out first round offers the week before Thanksgiving. At least the initial two week offer period has closed, and I’m expecting a rejection at this point. But I still haven’t heard anything.
I do think by now all first round offers would have gone out, but that’s just speculation based on my branch and last year’s process.
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