Big Law Hours in Europe? Forum
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Big Law Hours in Europe?
Just curious if anyone knows what BL hours are like in Europe. Given that European law stipulates employers can’t have staff work more than 48 hours a week, do BL lawyers in Europe have normal work schedules? Thanks!
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When you sign your employment contract in Europe (which is a much more detailed document than the two-pager you get in the US), you typically sign a disclaimer that says that any limits on your working hours do not apply to you. I know this from personal experience working at two firms in Europe. In my experience, the hours can be every bit at brutal as in the US. There is, however, a different attitude to time off. When you're out of the office, you really are out, and no one expects you to be checking your emails every five minutes. You get 25-30 vacation days per year, depending on location, plus public holidays and sick leave. That, to some extent, makes up for it.
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When I was in biglaw in Europe (at an American firm), the hours were not better than biglaw in the States, and in fact it was actually a bit harder, since our Euro clients were much more bill conscious and consequently there was more attention to working efficiently and occasionally writing off time. For what it's worth, my European colleagues really did seem to respect vacation a lot more, but the Americans didn't care and would still bother you on vacation, so your milage may vary, and in practice I didn't find taking vacation in Europe better than in the States.aussieattorney wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:39 pmWhen you sign your employment contract in Europe (which is a much more detailed document than the two-pager you get in the US), you typically sign a disclaimer that says that any limits on your working hours do not apply to you. I know this from personal experience working at two firms in Europe. In my experience, the hours can be every bit at brutal as in the US. There is, however, a different attitude to time off. When you're out of the office, you really are out, and no one expects you to be checking your emails every five minutes. You get 25-30 vacation days per year, depending on location, plus public holidays and sick leave. That, to some extent, makes up for it.
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That's unfortunate. I worked for UK-headquartered firms when I was in Europe (on both sides of the Channel). Perhaps that's the key!
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May well be the case! I remember having a UK colleague who would go to multi-day festivals and literally not have his phone on at all, which sounded glorious. I also had a US colleague who was skiing in Switzerland and was only able to actually get on the slopes for two days of a weeklong trip because of all the fire drills. He wasn't happy about it. Experience can vary a lot!aussieattorney wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:02 amThat's unfortunate. I worked for UK-headquartered firms when I was in Europe (on both sides of the Channel). Perhaps that's the key!
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Can only comment on German market. If you work for an US firm you essentially get the same two page offer letter like US associates, even at some German law firms.
Comp is worse. Market leading is €160k for first years at some US shops, but most are paying only €140k. Bonuses are a joke at all non US-law firms.
At most US firms hours are same/probably even more than in the US because fees towards clients are less. So, billables have to go up to meet revenue targets for partners. In addition, Germans tend to work like crazy as if they have to prove something to the world.
Basically at the top of the market US and UK law firms you have between 2200-2500 billabes and at some shops even 2700-3200 in any given year, at least in PE, M&A, ECM. And obviously it is expected to check your iPhone even during leisure time. Weekend work depends on the firm. In case of those high billables you have to work away some/most weekends for sure.
Btw there are no billable guidelines. You just get swamped with work.
True German law firms (like Hengeler, Schilling, Noerr) are a different animal: no/rare working on the weekend or only if you want to be star. More than 2000 billables are a lot (save for maybe Hengeler which is the most premier German law firm)
Comp is worse. Market leading is €160k for first years at some US shops, but most are paying only €140k. Bonuses are a joke at all non US-law firms.
At most US firms hours are same/probably even more than in the US because fees towards clients are less. So, billables have to go up to meet revenue targets for partners. In addition, Germans tend to work like crazy as if they have to prove something to the world.
Basically at the top of the market US and UK law firms you have between 2200-2500 billabes and at some shops even 2700-3200 in any given year, at least in PE, M&A, ECM. And obviously it is expected to check your iPhone even during leisure time. Weekend work depends on the firm. In case of those high billables you have to work away some/most weekends for sure.
Btw there are no billable guidelines. You just get swamped with work.
True German law firms (like Hengeler, Schilling, Noerr) are a different animal: no/rare working on the weekend or only if you want to be star. More than 2000 billables are a lot (save for maybe Hengeler which is the most premier German law firm)
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