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60 or a 70 aren't really high enough for the PTs. i never understand why people ignore PTs. I get that it's frustrating that you came really close but i disagree w your statement that you don't know what to work on. PT score was too low. I'm guessing PTA was also less than a 75? MBEs + PTS are such a cushion- you can BS the 6 essays and still pass w a decent MBE and PT-both are very learnable.CA-Hoosier wrote:So I got my scores today and I'm a bit irritated.
My exam was subject to two reads because I came close to passing on the first read.
Using the scores given to me by the second readers, I PASSED! (1446 points). Unfortunately, the scores given to me by the 2nd readers must be averaged with the scores given to me by the first readers, so my total scaled score was 1432.5 (did NOT pass).
Here's my first issue: If my exam had gone to the second group of graders in the first place, I would have passed the bar and that would be the end of it. So I get screwed over because I got my graders in the wrong order. Nice.
Second issue: If there is a discrepancy of "more than" 10 points between the first and second readers, it goes to a third reader who issues a "resolution grade" which is not necessarily an average between the two. The first reader gave me a 60 on Performance Test B. The second (and very sensible IMO) reader gave me a 70. Because it was "exactly" 10 points, and not "more than" 10 points, I do not get the benefit of a resolution grade. Of course, this would be the difference between passing and failing as well.
To come this close and fall flat is maddening. I'd rather have missed the mark by a mile and at least know specifically what I need to work on. The letter was very clear as to what could be appealed, and this does not seem to fit. Nor is the letter clear as to how a request for reconsideration would even work (no website or procedure described).
What can I do? Just shut up and get to work on Feb?
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60 or a 70 aren't really high enough for the PTs. i never understand why people ignore PTs. I get that it's frustrating that you came really close but i disagree w your statement that you don't know what to work on. PT score was too low. I'm guessing PTA was also less than a 75? MBEs + PTS are such a cushion- you can BS the 6 essays and still pass w a decent MBE and PT-both are very learnable.
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Def super frustrating. I haven't gotten my scores yet, and I also haven't decided whether it will hurt more to have missed by an inch or by a mile. I guess the best thing would be to have decent scores on 2/3 sections and be able to identify the fatal flaw in a single low-scoring section, but since a fail is still a fail, maybe it's all a wash.CA-Hoosier wrote: Here's my first issue: If my exam had gone to the second group of graders in the first place, I would have passed the bar and that would be the end of it. So I get screwed over because I got my graders in the wrong order. Nice.
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So far done 50 adaptibar qs and re-enrolled in barbri.
CA-Hoosier wrote:So I got my scores today and I'm a bit irritated.
My exam was subject to two reads because I came close to passing on the first read.
Using the scores given to me by the second readers, I PASSED! (1446 points). Unfortunately, the scores given to me by the 2nd readers must be averaged with the scores given to me by the first readers, so my total scaled score was 1432.5 (did NOT pass).
Here's my first issue: If my exam had gone to the second group of graders in the first place, I would have passed the bar and that would be the end of it. So I get screwed over because I got my graders in the wrong order. Nice.
Second issue: If there is a discrepancy of "more than" 10 points between the first and second readers, it goes to a third reader who issues a "resolution grade" which is not necessarily an average between the two. The first reader gave me a 60 on Performance Test B. The second (and very sensible IMO) reader gave me a 70. Because it was "exactly" 10 points, and not "more than" 10 points, I do not get the benefit of a resolution grade. Of course, this would be the difference between passing and failing as well.
To come this close and fall flat is maddening. I'd rather have missed the mark by a mile and at least know specifically what I need to work on. The letter was very clear as to what could be appealed, and this does not seem to fit. Nor is the letter clear as to how a request for reconsideration would even work (no website or procedure described).
What can I do? Just shut up and get to work on Feb?
Anybody know any good tutors or essay grading price deals?lmr wrote:the bar code cheat sheets by whitney robertsa_ela1 wrote:Does anyone know of a good resource for essay approaches? Preferably ones that give you the basic rule statements for memorization? I already know that's my weakest area so I want to get a jump on it now. Last time I did Kaplan and I hated having to take notes from their 30 minute essay lectures, while their professors rattled off issues to look for, rather than just having it spelled out on paper for me.
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It may work against you too. For example, I talking to a examinee, who failed because the difference between the grades from the second grader and first grader was 15 points, but the supervisor gave him a score less than the average of the grades from the first and second grader, which caused him to fail. If the average was given, he would have passed.1234567888 wrote:CA-Hoosier wrote:So I got my scores today and I'm a bit irritated.
My exam was subject to two reads because I came close to passing on the first read.
Using the scores given to me by the second readers, I PASSED! (1446 points). Unfortunately, the scores given to me by the 2nd readers must be averaged with the scores given to me by the first readers, so my total scaled score was 1432.5 (did NOT pass).
Here's my first issue: If my exam had gone to the second group of graders in the first place, I would have passed the bar and that would be the end of it. So I get screwed over because I got my graders in the wrong order. Nice.
Second issue: If there is a discrepancy of "more than" 10 points between the first and second readers, it goes to a third reader who issues a "resolution grade" which is not necessarily an average between the two. The first reader gave me a 60 on Performance Test B. The second (and very sensible IMO) reader gave me a 70. Because it was "exactly" 10 points, and not "more than" 10 points, I do not get the benefit of a resolution grade. Of course, this would be the difference between passing and failing as well.
To come this close and fall flat is maddening. I'd rather have missed the mark by a mile and at least know specifically what I need to work on. The letter was very clear as to what could be appealed, and this does not seem to fit. Nor is the letter clear as to how a request for reconsideration would even work (no website or procedure described).
What can I do? Just shut up and get to work on Feb?
Ha, join the club. This happened to me but in another state. Don't understand the purpose of averaging the scores.
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I got a 1432.5 scaled total as well.. I decided to get to work but I still get flashes of severe indignation.CA-Hoosier wrote:So I got my scores today and I'm a bit irritated.
My exam was subject to two reads because I came close to passing on the first read.
Using the scores given to me by the second readers, I PASSED! (1446 points). Unfortunately, the scores given to me by the 2nd readers must be averaged with the scores given to me by the first readers, so my total scaled score was 1432.5 (did NOT pass).
Here's my first issue: If my exam had gone to the second group of graders in the first place, I would have passed the bar and that would be the end of it. So I get screwed over because I got my graders in the wrong order. Nice.
Second issue: If there is a discrepancy of "more than" 10 points between the first and second readers, it goes to a third reader who issues a "resolution grade" which is not necessarily an average between the two. The first reader gave me a 60 on Performance Test B. The second (and very sensible IMO) reader gave me a 70. Because it was "exactly" 10 points, and not "more than" 10 points, I do not get the benefit of a resolution grade. Of course, this would be the difference between passing and failing as well.
To come this close and fall flat is maddening. I'd rather have missed the mark by a mile and at least know specifically what I need to work on. The letter was very clear as to what could be appealed, and this does not seem to fit. Nor is the letter clear as to how a request for reconsideration would even work (no website or procedure described).
What can I do? Just shut up and get to work on Feb?
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This was a very good thing thread to read. Thank you. I need help on this topic badly. Are you saying that as you make your first reading pass, you are typing in facts from the file? Then, still in the first pass in the library, you are writing the law? So that at the end of the first read you have a ton of fact and law written down? This sounds pretty good as an approach. Then fit that stuff into iRACS within the call...MURPH wrote:
1. I start off writing the IRAC outline I use for the essays. "Issue # :Whether... The rule under ___ law is ... Here, ..... Therefore," with spaces between lines and the Whether statement bolded.
2. Then I start reading and typing up my heading or coversheet depending on the assignment.
3. As I read I write paragraphs. Instead of headings or an outline, I write citations (See Transcript of Jane Doe) then I write the relevant facts.
4. Same with the Statutes. After three years of law school, I finally learned how to make that little Section symbol §§§§§§. It is good to know. My headline is: (See CEC § 601: Authentication of Public Records) - then I write the law.
5. Same with the cases. I write (See Jones v Smith CSC, 2001) then I write the relevant rules and if necessary the relevant facts. I make sure to do this for every case especially the cases cited within other cases. Also, if there is a footnote, I make sure that is included.
These 5 steps usually takes between 110 and 130 minutes but at this point most of the work is done.
6. I reread the instructions - the one from my hypothetical supervisor, not the standard one from the bar exam. I copy whatever is the call of the question IN ALL CAPS and basically turn this into my outline using the same number or letter scheme A,B,C or I,II,III or A1, A2, A3, B1 etc. A big difference between good scores and bad scores is that the high scoring essays answer the questions and the low scoring essays write stuff that is not asked. Making the question into an outline is just an easy way to keep yourself focused and I highly suspect that whatever outline the grader has to compare with your essay is probably outlined this way.
7. I cut and past my IRAC formula under the all caps headings/call of the questions. At least one issue per section, maybe two or three.
8. create the "Whether" statements on things that seem like important issues.
9. Cut the statutes or case law and paste them into the Rule part of my IRAC with the citation.
10. Cut the facts. Write the elements from my rule statement after the word "Here" in my IRAC formula, followed by the word "because," and paste the facts with proper citation after the word "because" in my IRAC outline.
11. Fill in the "Therefore," section with an answer to my "Whether" statement based on whether the elements are met or not.
12. End each call of the question (all caps) section with a bolded and underlined conclusion.
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