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Columbia to Havard?
Hi all,
Just wondering what kind of grades you need to transfer from Columbia to Harvard. Have an A- average here (1 A, 1 A-, 1 B+). Was waitlisted at Harvard when I originally applied. Have a biglaw SA at a top firm this summer.
What would I need to make me competitive here? What would my chances be?
Just wondering what kind of grades you need to transfer from Columbia to Harvard. Have an A- average here (1 A, 1 A-, 1 B+). Was waitlisted at Harvard when I originally applied. Have a biglaw SA at a top firm this summer.
What would I need to make me competitive here? What would my chances be?
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
I don’t know why post editing is not permitted on this forum now, but “T-4” above was meant to be “T-14”. Obviously anyone at a TTTT—or any non-top school—benefits from transferring up, especially to HLS.
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
It is for personal reasons, but good to know. I'm definitely sure I'll make Kent; aiming for Stone.jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
You have those reversed. Kent is the higher honor. Do you go to CLS?Anonymous User wrote:It is for personal reasons, but good to know. I'm definitely sure I'll make Kent; aiming for Stone.jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
Judging by the experiences of a few friends who have tried to transfer to H, an A- average isn't enough. I definitely know at least 1 Kent scholar who got rejected at H but got into Y.
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
That page was last modified in 2011.appind wrote:this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
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http://hls.harvard.edu/content/uploads/ ... Report.pdfappind wrote:this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
Top 15% is probably too low to realistically transfer to H. Its 509 report says its 25th %/ile GPA for transfers is 3.87, which is way higher than top 15% (unless you go somewhere with grade inflation like NU).
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
It's probably close to top 8-10% for 2L and 3L, but it's closer to 3-5% for 1L.BrainsyK wrote:That page was last modified in 2011.appind wrote:this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
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yeah but thats median for all schools from which transfers came. The gpa bar is lower the higher the rank of school is it not?dabigchina wrote:http://hls.harvard.edu/content/uploads/ ... Report.pdfappind wrote:this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
Top 15% is probably too low to realistically transfer to H. Its 509 report says its 25th %/ile GPA for transfers is 3.87, which is way higher than top 15% (unless you go somewhere with grade inflation like NU).
Of 40 transfers only 2 were from t6, 1 from s and 1 from nyu.
what's "other first year enrollees 83" ?
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
Anecdotally, I'm not aware of anyone with a 3.66 getting into Harvard. I'm also not sure where you are getting your 15% number from. Having gone through the transfer process from a T-6, my impression was that you have more wiggle room from a T-14 than you do from a T1, but not that much more.appind wrote:yeah but thats median for all schools from which transfers came. The gpa bar is lower the higher the rank of school is it not?dabigchina wrote:http://hls.harvard.edu/content/uploads/ ... Report.pdfappind wrote:this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
Top 15% is probably too low to realistically transfer to H. Its 509 report says its 25th %/ile GPA for transfers is 3.87, which is way higher than top 15% (unless you go somewhere with grade inflation like NU).
Of 40 transfers only 2 were from t6, 1 from s and 1 from nyu.
what's "other first year enrollees 83" ?
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
it's based on the first sticky thread here http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 27&t=82937dabigchina wrote:Anecdotally, I'm not aware of anyone with a 3.66 getting into Harvard. I'm also not sure where you are getting your 15% number from. Having gone through the transfer process from a T-6, my impression was that you have more wiggle room from a T-14 than you do from a T1, but not that much more.appind wrote:yeah but thats median for all schools from which transfers came. The gpa bar is lower the higher the rank of school is it not?dabigchina wrote:http://hls.harvard.edu/content/uploads/ ... Report.pdfappind wrote:this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
Top 15% is probably too low to realistically transfer to H. Its 509 report says its 25th %/ile GPA for transfers is 3.87, which is way higher than top 15% (unless you go somewhere with grade inflation like NU).
Of 40 transfers only 2 were from t6, 1 from s and 1 from nyu.
what's "other first year enrollees 83" ?
if top 10% at t20 get in that'd be equivalent to around 15% for lower t14 for hys.To transfer into HYS you need:
-top 5-10% at a Top 20
-top 5% at T1
-top 1% at a mid-upper T2
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Re: Columbia to Havard?
Right, I also saw that sticky when I was applying. What I'm saying is your assumption doesn't hold up in the real world. To have a good chance at transferring to HYS, you really should have a GPA in the very high Stone (above 3.7) to Kent Scholar range. Columbia doesn't calculate GPAs officially, but I'm going byappind wrote:it's based on the first sticky thread here http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 27&t=82937dabigchina wrote:Anecdotally, I'm not aware of anyone with a 3.66 getting into Harvard. I'm also not sure where you are getting your 15% number from. Having gone through the transfer process from a T-6, my impression was that you have more wiggle room from a T-14 than you do from a T1, but not that much more.appind wrote:yeah but thats median for all schools from which transfers came. The gpa bar is lower the higher the rank of school is it not?dabigchina wrote:http://hls.harvard.edu/content/uploads/ ... Report.pdfappind wrote:this link says kent is top 8% but even top 10-15% of lower t14 make hls transfer, do they not? how top of the class at cls one has to be to get transfer to hls?jbagelboy wrote:Making this transfer would truly be a mistake. Which is why no one ever does it aside from personal reasons. There is literally no position for which being a transfer at HLS is superior that a top student at CLS; in the majority of cases (clerkships, top firms), top of the class at Columbia is better situated than a transfer at HLS, who is basically treated as median. I’ve spent a lot of time reviewing clerkship applications over the past years, and while I’ve never seen a CLS -> HLS transfer, I’ve seen other T13-> HLS transfers that seriously damaged the student’s chances; first because the recommendations are always worse, and second because someone in the top ten students of their class at a T-4 is way more impressive to us than an HLS transfer kid.
That all being said. You probably have a good chance as long as you make Kent.
http://www.wikicu.com/Law_School_Honors ... t_Scholars.
Top 15% is probably too low to realistically transfer to H. Its 509 report says its 25th %/ile GPA for transfers is 3.87, which is way higher than top 15% (unless you go somewhere with grade inflation like NU).
Of 40 transfers only 2 were from t6, 1 from s and 1 from nyu.
what's "other first year enrollees 83" ?
if top 10% at t20 get in that'd be equivalent to around 15% for lower t14 for hys.To transfer into HYS you need:
-top 5-10% at a Top 20
-top 5% at T1
-top 1% at a mid-upper T2
B = 3
B+ = 3.33
A- = 3.66
A/A+ = 4
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