CLASS OF 2020 MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[personofinterest]

Why not 168 for WashU

Good catch! I think I was looking at too high of GPAs for WashU. Last year, the medial GPA was 3.67, and I think I got confused because they let in some people with 166/167 LSAT with a GPA below 3.74, but still above their median.

For 2017 applicants w/ 3.00-3.74 GPA:
165 LSAT: 0/9
166 LSAT: 2/10 (but one admitted applicant has GPA over 3.67, while the other reports a 3.48).
167 LSAT: 3/18 (but all admitted applicants have GPAs over 3.67).
168 LSAT: 34/34 ... yuuuup.

Thanks for pointing this out. I would amend my prediction to say that WashU should again have a 168 LSAT median. I made my mistake by being hasty. Sorry!

[vonrus1]

Why not 168 for WashU

Good catch! I think I was looking at too high of GPAs for WashU. Last year, the medial GPA was 3.67, and I think I got confused because they let in some people with 166/167 LSAT with a GPA below 3.74, but still above their median.

For 2017 applicants w/ 3.00-3.74 GPA:
165 LSAT: 0/9
166 LSAT: 2/10 (but one admitted applicant has GPA over 3.67, while the other reports a 3.48).
167 LSAT: 3/18 (but all admitted applicants have GPAs over 3.67).
168 LSAT: 34/34 ... yuuuup.

Thanks for pointing this out. I would amend my prediction to say that WashU should again have a 168 LSAT median. I made my mistake by being hasty. Sorry!

Wow you just conceptualized something for me I didn't know I was seeing.

I play around with mylsn ranges often and noticed that WUSTL acceptances drop off a cliff in certain ranges. I never really thought to break it down by GPA like that to isolate each LSAT point. That's neat, thanks for this.

There's also a sharp distinction in scholly money too below 168. They really want that LSAT.

[chargers21]

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[personofinterest]

So far, predictions* based on mylsn.info are spot on, assuming median reports are correct. My method was to see what LSAT scores schools accepted for GPA range 3.00-3.74. Most schools had pretty sharp cut-offs (ex. School X would accept >50% of 169s, but 0% of non-URM 168s). Thanks to law schools for obviously gaming the rankings. Hopefully the luck continues!

Penn - 169 - CORRECT
UVA - 169 - CORRECT
Michigan - 169 - CORRECT (predicted 1 point increase from last year)
Duke -169 - CORRECT
NU - 169 - [currently unannounced]
Berkeley - 167 - CORRECT (predicted 1 point increase from last year)
Texas - 167 - [currently unannounced]
Georgetown - 167 - CORRECT
UCLA - 167 - CORRECT
Cornell - 166 - [currently unannounced]
Vandy - 166 - CORRECT (predicted 1 point decrease from last year)
WashU - 166 168 - [currently unannounced] EDIT: Thanks to sonyco, I looked again and mylsn indicates a 168 median, not 166 like I first said.
USC - 165 - CORRECT

*Although I predicted Berkeley's score before they announced it, I hadn't posted predictions on TLS until after they announced. If you look at mylsn.info, you can see a clear line between 166 and 167 scores for Berkeley

I would bet 167 for Cornell, but that their 75th falls to 167.

Could certainly be. There are only 6 people who fit the 166 LSAT, 3-3.74 GPA range, and only one reported to get in. They got in off the waitlist, though, so that could signal Cornell becoming desperate. Or it could be an anomaly, or a false report, or it could signal the median GPA will drop to 3.70. Who knows...

[that1one1guy]

Illinois:
https://law.illinois.edu/admissions/pro ... tatistics/
Size: 154 (+19)
156(+2)/161(+1)/163(+1)
3.34(+.02)/3.62(+.03)/3.72(+.02)

Looks like all that scholarship money they were handing out this year paid off

[uion1715]

Arizona State:

LSAT - 157/162/164 (-1/+1/+1)

GPA - 3.36/3.75/3.86 (+0.02/+0.11/+0.06)

Class Size - 260 (+32)

https://law.asu.edu/about/jd-facts-figures

Reeeaaalllly nice number for ASU.

[uhwrestler]

So far, predictions* based on mylsn.info are spot on, assuming median reports are correct. My method was to see what LSAT scores schools accepted for GPA range 3.00-3.74. Most schools had pretty sharp cut-offs (ex. School X would accept >50% of 169s, but 0% of non-URM 168s). Thanks to law schools for obviously gaming the rankings. Hopefully the luck continues!

Penn - 169 - CORRECT
UVA - 169 - CORRECT
Michigan - 169 - CORRECT (predicted 1 point increase from last year)
Duke -169 - CORRECT
NU - 169 - [currently unannounced]
Berkeley - 167 - CORRECT (predicted 1 point increase from last year)
Texas - 167 - [currently unannounced]
Georgetown - 167 - CORRECT
UCLA - 167 - CORRECT
Cornell - 166 - [currently unannounced]
Vandy - 166 - CORRECT (predicted 1 point decrease from last year)
WashU - 166 168 - [currently unannounced] EDIT: Thanks to sonyco, I looked again and mylsn indicates a 168 median, not 166 like I first said.
USC - 165 - CORRECT

*Although I predicted Berkeley's score before they announced it, I hadn't posted predictions on TLS until after they announced. If you look at mylsn.info, you can see a clear line between 166 and 167 scores for Berkeley

I would bet 167 for Cornell, but that their 75th falls to 167.

Could certainly be. There are only 6 people who fit the 166 LSAT, 3-3.74 GPA range, and only one reported to get in. They got in off the waitlist, though, so that could signal Cornell becoming desperate. Or it could be an anomaly, or a false report, or it could signal the median GPA will drop to 3.70. Who knows...

we were told at the cornell law orientation that we were the strongest academic class at cornell (gpa lsat) so i would not expect a drop in medians...im expecting a slight increase

[lsat1996]

Are these numbers referring to the percentiles of people attending the school or those that were accepted?

[rowdy]

Are these numbers referring to the percentiles of people attending the school or those that were accepted?

Attending.

[cavalier1138]

Are these numbers referring to the percentiles of people attending the school or those that were accepted?

25/50/75 splits only refer to students who attend, but they give you an idea of what is required for acceptance.

[lsat1996]

Are these numbers referring to the percentiles of people attending the school or those that were accepted?

25/50/75 splits only refer to students who attend, but they give you an idea of what is required for acceptance.

How much lower do you think the splits are at the t14 for accepted applicants, not attending?

[cavalier1138]

Are these numbers referring to the percentiles of people attending the school or those that were accepted?

25/50/75 splits only refer to students who attend, but they give you an idea of what is required for acceptance.

How much lower do you think the splits are at the t14 for accepted applicants, not attending?

There's no way to answer that question, but if anything, we'd probably expect the median to move up, not down. Most applicants above a given school's median likely didn't attend because they had a better option. For the numbers to be lower, we'd have to assume that most applicants who didn't attend decided to go to a lower-ranked school.

MyLSN can give you a better idea of what a school's acceptance range might be, but the medians are generally a good signpost on their own.

[Huskies13!]

St. John's:
http://www.stjohns.edu/about/news/2017- ... class-2017
Size: 253 (+20)
GPA ("highest ever")

http://www.stjohns.edu/law/admissions/class-fact-sheet
Size 252 (+19)
Median 158 (0)
75 %ile 160 (0)
25 %ile 153 (+1)
Median 3.58 (+.04)
75 %ile 3.70 (+.02)
25 %ile 3.31(+.15)

[Huskies13!]

Northern Illinois:
http://www.niu.edu/law/admission/quick_ ... disclaimer
LSAT median: 150 (+2)
GPA median: 3.12 (+.09)
LSAT 25th and 75th percentiles: 146(+1)-153(+2)
GPA 25th and 75th percentiles: 2.78(-.01)-3.52 (+.19)

[Huskies13!]

Indiana (Bloomington): just confirming what we knew
http://www.law.indiana.edu/about/class-2020.shtml

Applied 1,898 (+265)
Enrolled 161 (-17)
Median LSAT 161 (0)
Median UGPA 3.75 (+.04)

[Pozzo]

Arizona State:

LSAT - 157/162/164 (-1/+1/+1)

GPA - 3.36/3.75/3.86 (+0.02/+0.11/+0.06)

Class Size - 260 (+32)

https://law.asu.edu/about/jd-facts-figures

Reeeaaalllly nice number for ASU.

Not surprised at all. While I ultimately didn't end up attending, I applied last cycle and was super impressed with every interaction I had with the school.

[hopefullya1L]

Email received from Gtown today with their medians: 3.79 and 167. Confirms what is already in the spreadsheet, though not sure on those other numbers. What is the source?

[Huskies13!]

Harvard:
http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/
Apps: 5755 ((+301)
Size: 562 (-1)
GPA 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 3.96(+.02) / 3.86 / 3.76
LSAT 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 175 / 173(+1) / 170

[Platopus]

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[The Speed of Love]

Harvard:
http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/
Apps: 5755 ((+301)
Size: 562 (-1)
GPA 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 3.96(+.02) / 3.86 / 3.76
LSAT 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 175 / 173(+1) / 170

Shit.

My sentiments exactly.

[runinthefront]

This is a half-baked thought, but maybe the pay raise to 180k in NYC may have more kids "taking the risk" instead of "taking the money" at non-T14 schools

[Platopus]

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[Mikey]

Harvard:
http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/
Apps: 5755 ((+301)
Size: 562 (-1)
GPA 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 3.96(+.02) / 3.86 / 3.76
LSAT 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 175 / 173(+1) / 170

Shit.

My sentiments exactly.

[Mikey]

I guess Harvard really wants to try to get back to that 2nd place in the rankings, huh? :p

[principalagent]

Harvard:
http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/
Apps: 5755 ((+301)
Size: 562 (-1)
GPA 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 3.96(+.02) / 3.86 / 3.76
LSAT 75th / 50th / 25th percentiles: 175 / 173(+1) / 170

Shit.

My sentiments exactly.