Class of 2012 Employment Data Forum

[Tiago Splitter]

As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.

EDIT: All information is now available at http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/

School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total. Numbers in parentheses indicate change from 2011.

Penn: 66.7(+7.3) + 10.4(+1.3) = 77.1(+8.6)
Stanford: 47(-2.5) + 28.2(+4.8) = 75.2(+2.3)
Columbia: 64.2(+2.8) + 7.9(-.2) = 72.1(+2.6)
Chicago: 56.3(+11.5) + 14.4(+5) = 70.7(+16.5)
Harvard: 53.6(+4.5) + 17.8(+1.5) = 71.4(+6)
Yale: 32(-1.2) + 34.7(+1.5) = 66.7(+.3)
NYU: 59.5(+16.4) + 5.6(-5.3) = 65.1(+11.1)
Cornell: 57.9(+19) + 6.8(-1.2) = 64.7(+17.9)
Duke: 51.1(+6.2) + 12.9(+1.8) = 64(+8)
UVA: 47.8(+9.6) + 14.3(+3.7) = 62.1(+13.3)
Berkeley: 53.8(+12.2) + 6.7(-3) = 60.5(+9.2)
Northwestern: 49.2(-4.1) + 6.4(-1.6) = 55.6(-5.7)
Mich: 43.3(+9.3) + 8.5(+2.1) = 51.8(+11.4)
UCI: 23.2 + 28.6 = 51.8*
GULC: 39.1(+5.6) + 3.7(-.2) = 42.8(+5.4)
Vandy: 28.5(-3.7) + 12.1(+1.3) = 40.6(-2.4)
UCLA: 34.2(+11.7) + 4.8(+.4) = 39(+12.1)
USC: 30.8(+3.5) + 6.7(-2.4) = 37.5(+1.1)
Texas: 26.9(+3.9) + 8.3(+1.2) = 35.2(+5.1)
Notre Dame: 24(+4) + 8.7(-3.4) = 32.7(+.6)
BU: 27.1(+7.3) + 4.8(+3) = 31.9(+10.3)
Fordham: 30.5 + 3.1 = 33.6
WUSTL: 23(+5.3) + 3.3(+.5) = 26.3(+5.8)
Illinois: 22.1(+7.4) + 2.3(-2.5) = 24.4(+4.9)
UGA: 16.6(+7.8) + 7.4(-.1) = 24(+7.7)
UNC: 16.4(+3.4) + 5.1(+.6) = 21.5(+4)
Wake: 14.7(+3.9) + 5.8(+3.3) = 20.5(+7.2)
W & M: 12.7(+5.8) + 5.9(-1.5) = 18.6(+4.3)
Alabama: 8.1(+1.7) + 9.3(+.8) = 17.4(-.9)
SMU: 14.3(+.3) + 3(-1.2) = 17.3(-.9)
Hastings: 13.3(+2.4) + 2(+.1) = 15.3(+2.5)
Wisconsin: 9.9 (+.01) + 1.0 (-.06) = 10.9 (-.05)

*: Don't kid yourself

[Rahviveh]

USC: http://weblaw.usc.edu/careers/statistics/

100+ Firms: 30.8%
Federal Clerks: 6.7%

= 37.5%

School-funded = 4.5% (10 people)

[Rahviveh]

NYU likes to post its stats in the most confusing way possible. Someone may want to double check my math but it looks right:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

100+ firms: 59.5%
Federal clerks: 5.6%

= 65.1%

School funded = 12.9%

[TheThriller]

We should probably sticky this in the near future

[Rahviveh]

Illinois:

100+: 22.1%
Fed Clerks: 2.3%

= 24.4%

School-funded = 10.3%

[Bronck]

As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.

School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total

Harvard: 53.6 + 17.8 = 71.4
UVA: 47.8 + ??=?? (UVA does not break out Federal from other clerks)
UCLA: 34.2 + 4.8 = 39
USC: 30.8 + 6.7 = 37.5
WUSTL: 23 + 3.3 = 26.3
Alabama: 8.1 + 9.3 = 17.4
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
W & M: 12.7 + 5.9 = 18.6
Wake: 14.7 + 5.8 = 20.5

Hey man, I think it'd be cool to show percent changes from c/o 2011 as well.

HLS = +4.5% & +1.5% = +6%
UVA = +9.6% & +3.7% = +13.3%

Look at the ABA sheet for UVA's federal clerkship numbers: 52/364 or 14.3%, bringing its total to 62.1%

[Rahviveh]

UVA: 15.1% School-funded

[Rahviveh]

As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.

School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total

Harvard: 53.6 + 17.8 = 71.4
UVA: 47.8 + ??=?? (UVA does not break out Federal from other clerks)
UCLA: 34.2 + 4.8 = 39
USC: 30.8 + 6.7 = 37.5
WUSTL: 23 + 3.3 = 26.3
Alabama: 8.1 + 9.3 = 17.4
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
W & M: 12.7 + 5.9 = 18.6
Wake: 14.7 + 5.8 = 20.5

Hey man, I think it'd be cool to show percent changes from c/o 2011 as well.

HLS = +4.5% & +1.5% = +6%
UVA = +9.6% & +3.7% = +13.3%

Look at the ABA sheet for UVA's federal clerkship numbers: 52/364 or 14.3%, bringing its total to 62.1%

Those are good numbers for UVA

[Bronck]

NYU likes to post its stats in the most confusing way possible. Someone may want to double check my math but it looks right:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

100+ firms: 59.5%
Federal clerks: 5.6%

= 65.1%

School funded = 12.9%

ETA: Scratch that. Glanced at the data too quickly.

[Bronck]

Michigan = 43.3% (+9.3%) and 8.5% (-2.1%) = 51.8% (+7.2%)

http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classs ... of2012.pdf

[Rahviveh]

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[Tiago Splitter]

NYU likes to post its stats in the most confusing way possible. Someone may want to double check my math but it looks right:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

100+ firms: 59.5%
Federal clerks: 5.6%

= 65.1%

School funded = 12.9%

I got 61.5% for 100+ firms (.6381*[.0705+.1074+.7852] and 5.8% for federal clerks (.0792*.7297) = 67.3%

Which is a 16.4% increase in firms and a 5.6% decrease in federal clerkships, or a 10.8% increase overall.

You have to make sure to first subtract out the 15 people who are pursuing a grad degree or are unemployed.

[Bronck]

NYU likes to post its stats in the most confusing way possible. Someone may want to double check my math but it looks right:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

100+ firms: 59.5%
Federal clerks: 5.6%

= 65.1%

School funded = 12.9%

I got 61.5% for 100+ firms (.6381*[.0705+.1074+.7852] and 5.8% for federal clerks (.0792*.7297) = 67.3%

Which is a 16.4% increase in firms and a 5.6% decrease in federal clerkships, or a 10.8% increase overall.

You have to make sure to first subtract out the 15 people who are pursuing a grad degree or are unemployed.

Yeah, my bad. ChampagnePapi was right via the ABA sheet:

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The actual percent changes are: +16.4% and -5.3% or 11.1% increase

[Ruxin1]

NYU likes to post its stats in the most confusing way possible. Someone may want to double check my math but it looks right:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

100+ firms: 59.5%
Federal clerks: 5.6%

= 65.1%

School funded = 12.9%

I got 61.5% for 100+ firms (.6381*[.0705+.1074+.7852] and 5.8% for federal clerks (.0792*.7297) = 67.3%

Which is a 16.4% increase in firms and a 5.6% decrease in federal clerkships, or a 10.8% increase overall.

You have to make sure to first subtract out the 15 people who are pursuing a grad degree or are unemployed.

Why would you subtract them?

[Bronck]

A terribly incomplete chart:

[Tiago Splitter]

Why would you subtract them?

Because NYU does. The percentages they list on their site are the percentage of employed grads only within each subsection.

[Real Madrid]

If only UVA could set up a law firm to employ all its school-funded graduates its "students in 100+ firms" number would be through the roof.

Anyway, what's the deal with these numbers? Are schools required to release them? And (if so) when?

[table3]

Illinois:

100+: 22.1%
Fed Clerks: 2.3%

= 24.4%

School-funded = 10.3%

That's a big jump from 2011:

University of Illinois:
100+: 13.7%
Fed Clerks: 4.7%

=18.4%

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=illinois

[02889]

Only 5.6% placed in federal clerkships for NYU? What happened there?

[jackattack17]

UNC:

42/256 16.4% 100+
13/256 5.1% Art. III
55/256 21.5% Total

http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/career ... rt2012.pdf

[star fox]

As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.

School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total

Mich: 43.3 + 8.5 = 51.8
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
Illinois: 22.1 + 2.3 = 24.4

2011 large firm scores:
Mich: 34 %
Notre Dame: 20 %
Illinois: 13.7 %

Crossing my fingers here, does this mean that Chicago big firm hiring is starting to pick up a bit after being particularly slow to recover post-recession?

[Rahviveh]

As schools begin to update their sites with c/o 2012 employment stats, I figured we'd start one thread to compile the key information. When more schools publish their numbers, let me know and I'll update the OP.

School: Employed in firms of 100+ attorneys + federal clerkships = Total

Mich: 43.3 + 8.5 = 51.8
Notre Dame: 24 + 8.7 = 32.7
Illinois: 22.1 + 2.3 = 24.4

2011 large firm scores:
Mich: 34 %
Notre Dame: 20 %
Illinois: 13.7 %

Crossing my fingers here, does this mean that Chicago big firm hiring is starting to pick up a bit after being particularly slow to recover post-recession?

Hiring for c/o 2012 seems to be up across the board RELATIVE to c/o 2011, which makes sense since the CW is that c/o 2011 was rock bottom.

[BigZuck]

Only 5.6% placed in federal clerkships for NYU? What happened there?

[Dmini7]

Posting UCI (I am sure Dre will come in here soon to remind us it is TTT trash)

firm 100+ = 23.2%
Fed clerkships= 28.6%

23.2 + 28.6 = 51.8%

http://www.law.uci.edu/career_dev/emplo ... stics.html

[Rahviveh]

Posting UCI (I am sure Dre will come in here soon to remind us it is TTT trash)

firm 100+ = 23.2%
Fed clerkships= 28.6%

23.2 + 28.6 = 51.8%

http://www.law.uci.edu/career_dev/emplo ... stics.html

Well it confirms earlier estimates. Worth noting that 23.2% in this case means only 13 people.