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Re: 2018 July DC Bar  
  by: SoCalTacos   on: July 22, at 7:43:04 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

CLSGumbo wrote:I accidentally updated to 10.13.6 on Mac OS. Really hope this doesnt impact exam4

Have you tried opening ExamSoft since then?
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Re: LA Litigation Market/Best Trial Firms (Latham, GDC, Kirkland?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 22, at 7:41:33 am   in: Legal Employment
LOL, brave anon. Stick your head in the sand if you prefer. Not gonna engage. There's empirical research out there that the revolving door pushes people in government, including AUSA offices to work harder to take scalps. Counterpoint: Eric "too big to jail" Holder. No amount of empirical research will convince me that AGs and AUSAs who are lifelong defenders of corporate criminals will...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Findedeux   on: July 22, at 7:40:33 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

masterherm wrote:Any stats out there for Themis pass rate among people who complete 75+%?

I think it would make way more sense for them to put out stats correlated to performance on practice tests.

As far as statistics goes, it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to try and correlate a bunch of disparate and loosely related actions when the whole point of practice tests is to predict how you will do on the exam.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Findedeux   on: July 22, at 7:34:48 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Sorry for the double post, but I need to rant somewhere and my wife is probably tired of hearing me rage about how stupid the bar is. Regarding removal, which of the following is FALSE? You Selected: Removal is proper only if the case could have originally been brought by the plaintiff in federal court. When removal is based on diversity jurisdiction, removal is proper only if the case was origin...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: White Dwarf   on: July 22, at 6:44:37 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

Omerta wrote:I hate when the questions overgeneralize or when your experience contradicts the bizarro bar jurisdiction interpretations.
Yeah, this has happened several times for me with criminal procedure.

It doesn't help that they're extremely inconsistent with when you're allowed (or even supposed) to make common sense leaps that go beyond the text of the question.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: masterherm   on: July 22, at 5:37:46 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any stats out there for Themis pass rate among people who complete 75+%?
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Re: Already Declined Offer  
  by: RCSOB657   on: July 22, at 4:57:16 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Yeah, respectfully, you're not going to get into those schools this year. Try again next year.
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Re: Anyone on here a Solo?  
  by: AVBucks4239   on: July 22, at 4:28:28 am   in: Legal Employment
Work at a billable firm, clerked for a judge for the last two years of school. I take the bar next week. Hate the billable job. Anyone go solo and it work out? I am not great at the tech aspects of my job, but I bring in more biz than any other associate revenue wise. (Getting referral business from CPA's etc. I am good at knocking down doors). I want to go solo pretty bad asap, just wondering if...
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Re: People who passed the bar before - did you leave something completely w/o studying and still pass  
  by: justanotheruser   on: July 22, at 2:35:48 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I know you're looking for someone to say it's alright, but... this mentality is why I failed the CA bar as many times as I did (5 times). When I finally passed the Feb. 2018 CA bar, it was basically because I covered every subject... although I put more emphasis on some subjects over others.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: FinallyPassedTheBar   on: July 22, at 2:30:21 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Here's my Adaptibar past performance table from last Summer. As you can see, the week before the bar, I slipped on Crim Law, Evidence, Real Property (almost a 15 point percentage drop!), and Torts. But I kept grinding, and managed to bounce back during the last few days before the bar. So keep grinding, you can beat this test!


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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Omerta   on: July 22, at 1:52:03 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Sorry for the double post, but I need to rant somewhere and my wife is probably tired of hearing me rage about how stupid the bar is. Regarding removal, which of the following is FALSE? You Selected: Removal is proper only if the case could have originally been brought by the plaintiff in federal court. When removal is based on diversity jurisdiction, removal is proper only if the case was origina...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: Call2222222   on: July 22, at 12:52:20 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
My MBE scores took a hit the last few weeks when I took the bar exam. I was scoring with 70-75% accuracy consistently and then all of a sudden i dropped to 60% on multiple 50 set questions 2 weeks before the exam. I panicked and went right back to reading outlines and the law. That got me back to the 70% range (that’s where you want to be). If you’re scoring below 70% on the mbe you need to go bac...
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Re: People who passed the bar before - did you leave something completely w/o studying and still pass  
  by: dixiecup   on: July 22, at 12:12:48 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Yes, this has happened to many bar takes but it's completely irrelevant to your situation. You want us to tell you it's OK to skip topics, but we can't do that. There's no way we can know what will be on the exam. Even if we had a statistical survey of every topic on the bar exam over the last 20 years, and thus could find the topics that are never covered -- that would STILL not be helpful becaus...
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Re: People who passed the bar before - did you leave something completely w/o studying and still pass  
  by: L_William_W   on: July 21, at 11:43:53 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm planning to leave conflicts and commercial paper (too complicated and not worth it). Im pretty sure I don't remember a whole lot of shit from the other essay subjects. I spent too much time on the MBE and i still feel like a lot of the rules/ specifics leak out of my brain when I'm asleep. I'm revising right now and I legit feel like a lot of this stuff I just didnt remember before now despit...
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Re: People who passed the bar before - did you leave something completely w/o studying and still pass  
  by: L_William_W   on: July 21, at 11:41:42 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm planning to leave conflicts and commercial paper (too complicated and not worth it). Im pretty sure I don't remember a whole lot of shit from the other essay subjects. I spent too much time on the MBE and i still feel like a lot of the rules/ specifics leak out of my brain when I'm asleep. I'm revising right now and I legit feel like a lot of this stuff I just didnt remember before now despit...
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Already Declined Offer  
  by: maddie99   on: July 21, at 11:40:16 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
I received 3 acceptances and 3 waitlist statuses for Fall 2018. I didn't want to go to any of the schools I got into, so I declined all of their offers. It's now late July and I haven't heard from any of the schools I was waitlisted at, even after sending letters of continued interest. My question is, is it ridiculous to reach out to one of the schools I rejected and ask if I may still attend? I k...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Omerta   on: July 21, at 11:22:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
This is just my .02, but the best way to spend the last couple days (if you've already studied a bunch) is to spend a couple hours for the MBE hitting the stuff you're disproportionately bad at and, for the essays, structuring to make sure you don't leave out whole topics. I like to condense each set to a series of questions, which helps me make sure that I hit everything. For instance, here's wha...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Guccifer91   on: July 21, at 10:35:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone thinking about February already? We are supposed to be peaking right now but the only thing peaking right now is my doubt :( my last 6-7 MBE PQs have all been mid 70s +/- 2 pts, so thats kinda on auto pilot and im not gonna do much more there...ive been hitting P&E notecards every day for the last week for an hour, so that stuff is burned into my brain already. however, im starting to ...
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Re: People who passed the bar before - did you leave something completely w/o studying and still pass  
  by: tiffannybrown   on: July 21, at 10:31:51 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Everyone feels like this, don't let yourself get in the way of you (is that the saying? my brain is fried too) I don't think leaving out some topics is so bad, you can't know everything on this exam. But i would suggest not leaving out COL- it is really simple (there are legit 4 rules) if you know them you can BS anything down. I can even email you my 6 page outline (3 double sided) if you want. I...
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Re: People who passed the bar before - did you leave something completely w/o studying and still pass  
  by: funkenstein   on: July 21, at 10:26:38 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
not my personal experience so take it for what it's worth.

My friend, who I have to admit is very smart and studied really hard during law school, said she procrastinated studying for the bar and never even got to a few subjects but she still passed.
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Re: State & Local?  
  by: nixy   on: July 21, at 10:15:35 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
The anons didn't say they were going to UMN, that was the OP, who isn't anon.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: barprepforca   on: July 21, at 10:10:20 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have been all over the map with mine. On adaptibar i'm right at 60% but ive been focusing on my worst subjects so im on pace to do better than that on the test. Then on the most recent set of barbri MBE questions I got 71%, 71%, 74%, and then 43% today so I freaked out and went back to adaptibar and got a 61% on exclusively property questions which is my hardest subject. I have no idea what's go...
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People who passed the bar before - did you leave something completely w/o studying and still pass  
  by: bigLexcited   on: July 21, at 9:57:43 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm planning to leave conflicts and commercial paper (too complicated and not worth it). Im pretty sure I don't remember a whole lot of shit from the other essay subjects. I spent too much time on the MBE and i still feel like a lot of the rules/ specifics leak out of my brain when I'm asleep. I'm revising right now and I legit feel like a lot of this stuff I just didnt remember before now despite...
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Re: State & Local?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 9:50:20 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
In sum I would only do most state clerkships if (1) I really wanted to do trial work and (2) I didn't have a good firm job lined up. (3) You are not a U.S. citizen. Quoted anon, I actually am also an immigrant. I'm not sure if you are saying that you should only do them if you meet 1, 2, & 3 or 1, 2, or 3. But just because you are not a US citizen is not a good enough reason to do a state cle...
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Re: Completely self editing writing sample?  
  by: Puffman1234   on: July 21, at 9:45:45 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
You don't have a single pre-other-person's-edits draft of any order you wrote that, if unsatisfactory to you now, you could edit to better reflect your presumably more-advanced abilities today? I clerked for a fed d.ct judge. My writing sample I used for the job search later was just a 100%-mine draft of an order that I edited (at the time of putting my applications together) to better reflect my ...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: midtrains   on: July 21, at 9:33:44 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Has anyone broken down how terribly we can do on the MEE if we do well on the MPT (assuming a decent MBE)? Feeling completely overwhelmed by the MEE right now. There's this chart for NY (266 UBE), you just have to be above the curve so any combination of percentiles that'll put you there. Of course who knows what dumb score that is but it's making me feel better because I only need a 260 https://...
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Re: Civ Pro Joinder Q  
  by: tiffannybrown   on: July 21, at 9:29:41 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
The Federal Ct doesn't need to have SJM over supplemental claims. In order for a Fed Court to have supplemental Jurisdiction over a claim, the claim must: 1. Be from the same transaction/occurence + 2. Not be included in the limitation (plaintiffs in diversity cases- cannot add claims if they destroy diversity.) Here this claim is the claim of a TP not the plaintiff (so the limitation doesn't exis...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Pajsa18   on: July 21, at 9:27:48 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

CBlaw wrote:Well folks I am traveling to my bar location tommorow morning. I likely will be done with this thread. With that said, Good Luck to everyone!! We got this!!

Good luck and safe travels!
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: White Dwarf   on: July 21, at 9:19:54 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Has anyone broken down how terribly we can do on the MEE if we do well on the MPT (assuming a decent MBE)?

Feeling completely overwhelmed by the MEE right now.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: 1Abimrdjur3   on: July 21, at 9:03:50 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
2 CA Evidence Questions if anyone can help: 1) Page 12 of the CA lecture notes that in a criminal case a "witness's" character can be bolstered without any attempt to impeach with reputation, opinion, and specific acts; the main outline just says criminal "defendant" - anyone know if it works for any witness or if just the defendant? 2) For public records, can police records be...
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Re: Examplify Error  
  by: Nightcrawler   on: July 21, at 8:57:50 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

Findedeux wrote:Yeah, I gave them a call.

Apparently it's a known bug.

They had me remove a file.

Also, the program is now at version 1.6 but when I downloaded it was 1.5

weird, I just certified the laptop a couple of days ago (redownloaded the latest version) and it's still 1.5.4.
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Re: Is Adaptibar worth it/really helpful?  
  by: Nightcrawler   on: July 21, at 8:55:29 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Guys, just for simplicity: get your Adaptibar referral's here: viewtopic.php?f=41&t=288509
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Re: Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: Nightcrawler   on: July 21, at 8:48:03 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thanks everyone! Do you guys think its better if i just buy the 201 new questions even though i have adaptibar? If you already have Adaptibar I wouldn't just because Adaptibar has them with explanations (even if most of the time crappy explanations, but it's better than none). If you want to practice only new questions, just make the program show the question number and do all the questions numbe...
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Re: Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: Nightcrawler   on: July 21, at 8:45:19 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Adaptibar has refused to provide me with information as to which of the civ pro questions are the newly released ones. Have any of you figured out which ones they are or know how to figure it out? It would be annoying to have to purchase them from NCBE when they are already in adaptibar. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! If you're using a computer, fake questions are labeled 'simulated' and ...
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Re: Fordham OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 8:29:04 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:10 interviews - secondary journal, Moot Court but GPA below 50%

Best of luck, sounds like you did a good job with bidding. What kind of firms?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: arose928   on: July 21, at 8:07:19 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am actually really concerned that I did not practice more than 2 MPTS during the whole course - one persuasive and the other and objective memo. Is this going to be a big problem? Should I do some tomorrow maybe? I don't really feel prepared for the MPT because I always feel like I mess up the structuring or something, so I spent a couple hours today looking through all the sample MPTs Themis p...
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Re: Mbe Scoring  
  by: Ramonlivliv   on: July 21, at 8:02:24 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Sorry, this might be a noob question. I'm taking the CA bar and got a 130/200 on the Kaplan Final. The instructor said for scaling purposes to add 20 points, which would mean 150. Does that mean my scaled MBE for CA would be roughly a 1500? I would like to know so I can use the calculator that's posted above. Thanks. For true scaling purposes, as I mention above, in J17, a 115 raw MBE (66% correc...
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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions  
  by: Pneumonia   on: July 21, at 7:43:45 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Why is Harvard's federal clerkship rate lower than SLS? Could it be that more HLS students choose to work for a year or two before applying for a clerkship? The rate is lower because the HLS has 3x the students. Why does this affect clerking? Larger classes, fewer personal connections with professors, etc. I think a smaller percentage of students at HLS are interested in clerking too. SLS/YLS hav...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Superbeast   on: July 21, at 7:40:27 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone thinking about February already? We are supposed to be peaking right now but the only thing peaking right now is my doubt :( my last 6-7 MBE PQs have all been mid 70s +/- 2 pts, so thats kinda on auto pilot and im not gonna do much more there...ive been hitting P&E notecards every day for the last week for an hour, so that stuff is burned into my brain already. however, im starting to ...
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Civ Pro Joinder Q  
  by: estefanchanning   on: July 21, at 7:38:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
A developer contracted with a general contractor to build an office building, and completion of the building was two years late. The developer filed a breach of contract action in federal district court against the general contractor, seeking damages caused by the delay. The developer is a citizen of State A, and the general contractor is a citizen of State B. The general contractor filed a third-...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jcwest   on: July 21, at 7:32:50 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I do not know what the CPT is but if its like the MPT... I too have only done two. Got an 83% on the graded and have not looked back. There is so much I do not know that I have decided to stop caring and trust I know enough to pass. Minimum competency folks. I'll be putting in 8 hours tomorrow and probably 6-8 on Monday because I can't not but I stopped at 4 today... which was still 7 hours. Felt ...
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Re: Is Adaptibar worth it/really helpful?  
  by: carcollector   on: July 21, at 7:31:16 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I would also love a discount code, please: quitlater1@gmail.com
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Guccifer91   on: July 21, at 7:11:02 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone thinking about February already? We are supposed to be peaking right now but the only thing peaking right now is my doubt
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Guccifer91   on: July 21, at 7:09:43 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
can someone explain what it means for the MPT, P&E, Essays to be scaled to the MBE? I know everyone usually says there's a 10-15 point bump to your raw MBE score...does this mean we also get bumps on our MPT/P&E/Essay? found an answer: Ignoring for a moment equating (which seeks to adjust for difficulty from exam to exam) and the general downward trend in MBE scores, each section will hav...
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 7:08:59 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:kinda surprised at how nonselective Kirkland is at Duke. I’ve had friends at peer schools tell me they’re much more selective there.
We're peers?!
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Findedeux   on: July 21, at 7:06:09 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm trying to learn Wills and Trusts.

Basically, have only done the lectures.

Then I have to outline a thousand essays, take practice exam #4, review all mbe subjects, and then outline half a dozen MPTs.


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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Auxilio   on: July 21, at 7:03:11 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am actually really concerned that I did not practice more than 2 MPTS during the whole course - one persuasive and the other and objective memo. Is this going to be a big problem? Should I do some tomorrow maybe? I couldn't get the effort up to practice CPT to be honest. I outlined two quickly, and then on the graded one I got 70/100 (for whatever Themis graders are worth). They honestly felt p...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: florida2015   on: July 21, at 7:02:39 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone else only taking the FL part and worried about getting completely screwed over by the board? Also, does anyone have any advice regarding lunch? I heard there isn’t much nearby. For a quick lunch, hit up Jackson's Bistro or the Waterside Grill at the Marriott. Or you can try to catch something at The Sail Pavilion if it isn't packed with people. I would pack a lunch and/or grab something on...
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Re: Government from NY vs DC biglaw  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: July 21, at 6:53:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
Assuming for the sake of argument that you have no ties to anything and are making this decision in a vacuum, dc is clearly the credited play for your specific goals. I suppose I’m just not sure how anybody could really argue otherwise, but fire away (that’s why we are all here,right?).
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Re: New York Bar July 2018  
  by: miro   on: July 21, at 6:53:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I took the Barbri simulation there, and I (and other people) thought it was pretty warm. (I tend to get cold fairly easily too.) Granted, it was 90-something degrees that day, but whatever A/C system or fans they have seems to be on the weak side.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Tala29   on: July 21, at 6:48:47 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am actually really concerned that I did not practice more than 2 MPTS during the whole course - one persuasive and the other and objective memo.

Is this going to be a big problem? Should I do some tomorrow maybe?
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Re: Government from NY vs DC biglaw  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 6:35:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anecdotal - I was at a government agency this summer, and some of the attorneys came from NY and CA. Most from DC, naturally, but qualified is qualified.
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Re: Columbia students taking questions  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 21, at 6:33:29 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
What happened to Victor Caldwell? Asked some classmates who are looking to clerk, no one knows. I'm gonna guess it took him about 5 minutes to see that the whole situation was a dumpster fire and stayed a respectable amount of time before getting out. Holy crap, he's gone? I remember people hoping he was going to turn it around. I... think so...? Either that or he's on the way out. That's what I'...
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Re: Examplify Error  
  by: Findedeux   on: July 21, at 6:32:17 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Yeah, I gave them a call.

Apparently it's a known bug.

They had me remove a file.

Also, the program is now at version 1.6 but when I downloaded it was 1.5
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 6:31:40 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:kinda surprised at how nonselective Kirkland is at Duke. I’ve had friends at peer schools tell me they’re much more selective there.

Well, it differs by city a lot. Compare NY and DC.

I agree NY is oddly low GPA.
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Re: Columbia students taking questions  
  by: BrainsyK   on: July 21, at 6:30:43 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
What happened to Victor Caldwell? Asked some classmates who are looking to clerk, no one knows. I'm gonna guess it took him about 5 minutes to see that the whole situation was a dumpster fire and stayed a respectable amount of time before getting out. Holy crap, he's gone? I remember people hoping he was going to turn it around. I... think so...? Either that or he's on the way out. That's what I'...
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Re: A quick question about OCI  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 6:29:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
Yes, contact him. You could get an interview anyway. Or nothing . . . no harm done indeed, and it shows interest.

You unfortunately did not get an interview through OCI but are curious if it’s possible in some other way.
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Superbeast   on: July 21, at 6:28:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
can someone explain what it means for the MPT, P&E, Essays to be scaled to the MBE? I know everyone usually says there's a 10-15 point bump to your raw MBE score...does this mean we also get bumps on our MPT/P&E/Essay? found an answer: Ignoring for a moment equating (which seeks to adjust for difficulty from exam to exam) and the general downward trend in MBE scores, each section will have...
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Re: Columbia students taking questions  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 21, at 6:27:18 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate

BrainsyK wrote:
GoneSouth wrote:What happened to Victor Caldwell?

Asked some classmates who are looking to clerk, no one knows. I'm gonna guess it took him about 5 minutes to see that the whole situation was a dumpster fire and stayed a respectable amount of time before getting out.
Holy crap, he's gone? I remember people hoping he was going to turn it around.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 21, at 6:25:43 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
anybody else feel unprepared but also feel like they no longer care?

At 97.5% completion. Have 3 more essays that themis recommends we outline. I should probably write them out in full but I kind of don't care anymore.
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Re: Columbia students taking questions  
  by: BrainsyK   on: July 21, at 6:17:58 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate

GoneSouth wrote:What happened to Victor Caldwell?

Asked some classmates who are looking to clerk, no one knows. I'm gonna guess it took him about 5 minutes to see that the whole situation was a dumpster fire and stayed a respectable amount of time before getting out.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: unsweetened   on: July 21, at 6:13:56 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
At this point I am more concerned with memorizing as much as I can for MEE questions.
I crunched all the essay pq's down to one page statements of law and have grouped them together, then crunched them down even more. Hopefully that' a good strategy.
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Re: Columbia students taking questions  
  by: GoneSouth   on: July 21, at 6:12:45 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
What happened to Victor Caldwell?
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Re: Lateral in Philly - Salary Questions  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 6:03:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Pepper’s being way below pay-scale is baffling. Not only because Dechert/Morgan pays market but due to Philly's sky-high COL. PA’s property taxes are also unbelievably high (unless you use NJ as a comparison). Philly also hits you with city tax. I’ve heard good things about Pepper, but their pay and hours aren’t one of them. I advise anyone seriously considering Philly to stay away from Pepper. I...
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 5:59:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
To my knowledge, NALP (not the ABA) is the entity that conducts research into entry-level law firm hiring. Their takeaway on the 2017 recruiting cycle is that it did not materially differ from the ‘15 and ‘16 cycles. The report below shows virtually identical numbers of SAs and offer conversion rates, with what they identify as generally flat numbers year over year. https://www.nalp.org/uploads/Pe...
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Re: A quick question about OCI  
  by: BrainsyK   on: July 21, at 5:56:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
Contact him anyway, if you contact and he helps, you get a screener. If you contact and he doesn't help, no harm done. If you don't contact, he can't help anyway.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: justanotheruser   on: July 21, at 5:52:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Pretty sure I had a few mixed MBE practice sets in the last 2 weeks before the exam where I scored below 70% several times, including as low as 63%. Still passed the bar and got over 150+ on the MBE. Hang in there, push through, review answers to make sure you're not missing any details, etc. Good luck! My MBE scores have dropped a lot these past couple of days. I just did a 50 question mixed set ...
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Re: Fordham OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 5:51:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
10 interviews - secondary journal, Moot Court but GPA below 50%
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A quick question about OCI  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 5:49:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
A partner told me to contact him if I get a screener when I attended the firm reception. But I did not get one through the OCI lottery even though I ranked the firm in my top 15. What should I do now? Should I reach out? Thanks!
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: CBlaw   on: July 21, at 5:46:23 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Well folks I am traveling to my bar location tommorow morning. I likely will be done with this thread. With that said, Good Luck to everyone!! We got this!!
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Re: From 134 hit 160. Any Suggestions on how to Keep Improving?  
  by: LSAT_Ninja_Tutor   on: July 21, at 5:46:06 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Bravo on your progress! I get excited when I see improvement like this. Way to go on your 160! Do not downplay it because it was PT 3. Your performance on PT 3 is just as indicative of your ability as your performance on PT 80. The LSAT is very good at testing what it is designed to test, so all PTs are relevant. What was the section breakdown for how many you missed on your PT 3? P.S. You will se...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: BlueLaw11   on: July 21, at 5:43:37 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is anyone else still encountering new MBE concepts they have never before encountered? I'm on set 19 and I just got 3 questions in a row on things I have never even heard of before. This is freaking me tf out for Wednesday yeah but I assume it's more of a matter of them having saved the obscure exceptions for the end rather than you not knowing enough to do ok on the real thing That's a good poin...
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Re: From 134 hit 160. Any Suggestions on how to Keep Improving?  
  by: LSAT_Ninja_Tutor   on: July 21, at 5:40:54 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Bravo on your progress! I get excited when I see improvement like this. Way to go on your 160! Do not downplay it because it was PT 3. Your performance on PT 3 is just as indicative of your ability as your performance on PT 80. The LSAT is very good at testing what it is designed to test, so all PTs are relevant. What was the section breakdown for how many you missed on your PT 3? P.S. You will se...
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Re: Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: DrainTheNCBEswamp   on: July 21, at 5:36:50 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thanks everyone! Do you guys think its better if i just buy the 201 new questions even though i have adaptibar?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: RecruiterMan   on: July 21, at 5:31:40 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

BlueLaw11 wrote:Is anyone else still encountering new MBE concepts they have never before encountered? I'm on set 19 and I just got 3 questions in a row on things I have never even heard of before. This is freaking me tf out for Wednesday
yeah but I assume it's more of a matter of them having saved the obscure exceptions for the end rather than you not knowing enough to do ok on the real thing
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: BlueLaw11   on: July 21, at 5:28:30 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is anyone else still encountering new MBE concepts they have never before encountered? I'm on set 19 and I just got 3 questions in a row on things I have never even heard of before. This is freaking me tf out for Wednesday
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Re: Examplify Error  
  by: estefanchanning   on: July 21, at 5:26:08 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

dabigchina wrote:Mine is working too. Try uninstalling/deleting and reinstalling from scratch from teh website.

Don't do that. Call examplify. I'm pretty sure when I was downloading the program, it said something about "make sure this is the computer you're gonna use because you can only download examplify once"
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Re: Examplify Error  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 21, at 5:24:59 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Mine is working too. Try uninstalling/deleting and reinstalling from scratch from teh website.
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Re: Examplify Error  
  by: estefanchanning   on: July 21, at 5:22:25 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Just checked, mine is working fine
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Re: Difference between Hearsay Exclusions and Hearsay Exceptions  
  by: tiffannybrown   on: July 21, at 5:20:29 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I think if you think of them in a criminal context, it is easier to understand. (Although they are applicable in civil cases too). The hearsay exclusions are statements that are direct evidence of the defendant's guilt, so it doesn't matter if they are said out of ct, the ct wants to hear them. They are COPPP Co-conspirators (statements by co-conspirators) made during a conspiracy in furtherance o...
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Examplify Error  
  by: Findedeux   on: July 21, at 5:17:38 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
My examplify says it needs to update and won't launch.

Anyone else having this problem?
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: estefanchanning   on: July 21, at 5:17:36 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

lokikoala wrote:So if you signed up for laptop testing, do you even bring your laptop for MBE(wed) or is that all pencil/handwritten?

Also, you're just supposed to bring your laptop on day 1 solo not in anything. Even a laptop case? I mean, that's what the instructions seem to say but feels a little ridiculous.

Lol, I mean...you can't even bring a separate eraser...so no case doesn't seem unusual.
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Re: Difference between Hearsay Exclusions and Hearsay Exceptions  
  by: EncyclopediaOrange   on: July 21, at 5:15:05 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hearsay exclusions are definitionally not hearsay. They can be offered for any purpose that comports with the other rules of evidence. Hearsay exceptions allow evidence that is definitionally hearsay to be offered for the truth of the matter asserted.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: lokikoala   on: July 21, at 5:11:22 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
So if you signed up for laptop testing, do you even bring your laptop for MBE(wed) or is that all pencil/handwritten?

Also, you're just supposed to bring your laptop on day 1 solo not in anything. Even a laptop case? I mean, that's what the instructions seem to say but feels a little ridiculous.
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 5:08:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
kinda surprised at how nonselective Kirkland is at Duke. I’ve had friends at peer schools tell me they’re much more selective there.
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Re: Horror Story...Yet Still Passed?  
  by: max_p   on: July 21, at 5:00:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Somehow this thread just makes me anxious – everyone freaking out over a single botched essay. Are people going into this legit expecting to 100% know the law on all essays/issues? My impression was that with a slightly better than average MBE score you could take a dump on your laptop and submit that in lieu of an essay. Somewhat true. But remember that the majority of people will not have an ab...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: psg190   on: July 21, at 4:55:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For those who have already taken the exam, are we allowed to bring our stuff in a backpack, or do we have to keep everything in one of those gallon-sized zip locks like for the LSAT. This includes things like laptop, lunch, pencil, etc. Thanks! Everything needs to be in a clear bag. Backpack and lunch stay outside. http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Examinations/Exam-Rules I think we can bring a...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: smile0751   on: July 21, at 4:44:56 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I was looking at Con law questions for my state and one of them was about basically redrawing school district lines in a city to have a more equal representation of races among the schools in the district. How would I answer a question like this? Can you apply racial gerrymandering rules to this, or would I just answer it like an affirmative action question and apply strict scrutiny? I think this...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: maiden42   on: July 21, at 4:44:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For those who have already taken the exam, are we allowed to bring our stuff in a backpack, or do we have to keep everything in one of those gallon-sized zip locks like for the LSAT. This includes things like laptop, lunch, pencil, etc. Thanks! Everything needs to be in a clear bag. Backpack and lunch stay outside. http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Examinations/Exam-Rules I think we can bring a...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: bananaphone   on: July 21, at 4:43:29 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

deacon wrote:I am very confused about Rule 20 permissive joinder and Rule 24 intervenor. Seems like both are joining plaintiffs. Could anyone explain me what the real difference is?

Interveners have to satisfy the same diversity/amount requirements as a normal plaintiff, but permissive joinder can happen even if the amount of controversy is not enough.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: maiden42   on: July 21, at 4:42:53 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
FYI...... as always, worth what you paid for them (unless you were one of the people that paid $395, then it's worth nothing).

https://barexamguru.com/2018/07/21/pred ... repeaters/
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: deacon   on: July 21, at 4:35:55 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am very confused about Rule 20 permissive joinder and Rule 24 intervenor. Seems like both are joining plaintiffs. Could anyone explain me what the real difference is?
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Re: Commercial Paper  
  by: Ultramar vistas   on: July 21, at 4:32:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Commercial paper has been my nemesis and I am making a last-ditch effort to understand it. What I am struggling to understand is when you would sue under a contract theory versus a warranty theory? According to the LeanSheets for Commercial Paper, if you are stuck at the "end of the line" with a defective instrument and want to sue "up the chain" to recover your money, whether...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Auxilio   on: July 21, at 4:31:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

Findedeux wrote:I just finished session 6 (really annoying question about intended third party beneficiaries and detrimental reliance re suing on breach of K) and noticed that the goal was 70%.

How high does the goal get at the end of the sessions?

I think it's 70 throughout.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Findedeux   on: July 21, at 4:27:40 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I just finished session 6 (really annoying question about intended third party beneficiaries and detrimental reliance re suing on breach of K) and noticed that the goal was 70%.

How high does the goal get at the end of the sessions?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Itwasascam   on: July 21, at 4:22:13 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is it too early to stop studying
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Re: 2018 PLIP  
  by: PotatoSalad   on: July 21, at 4:21:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Finnegan on Thursday night... Full suit to go bowling or business casual? Went last year. Definitely do not show up for bowling in a suit. I think smart casual is the right call for the bowling if my memory serves. Although you might be influenced by other events (I went straight from a Latham happy hour to Finnegan bowling last year). I don't remember any of the actual attorneys wearing suits. I...
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Re: Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: estefanchanning   on: July 21, at 4:18:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Adaptibar has refused to provide me with information as to which of the civ pro questions are the newly released ones. Have any of you figured out which ones they are or know how to figure it out? It would be annoying to have to purchase them from NCBE when they are already in adaptibar. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! If you're using a computer, fake questions are labeled 'simulated' and ...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Great45   on: July 21, at 4:16:36 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. Guy didn't respond to me. Not really sure I understand why set 17 would randomly be the same acro...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jawaharlaw nehru   on: July 21, at 4:13:09 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Must vary by state then. Would still guess that the 100-question set is consistent for everyone, but I don't have anything to back that up.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: smile0751   on: July 21, at 4:11:16 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. Guy didn't respond to me. Not really sure I understand why set 17 would randomly be the same acro...
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Re: Mbe Scoring  
  by: CLSGumbo   on: July 21, at 4:04:30 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

JoeSeperac wrote:


Joe, could you explain why on your UBE calculator for DC/Alabama/Colorado which use the 6 point scoring system, there can be such a huge difference between passing for the same MBE and essay grades? For example, getting all 3's in the Colorado MEE/MPT will reach 266 but getting all 3's in DC/Alabama would not, assuming a 133 MBE
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Re: Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: Nightcrawler   on: July 21, at 3:48:27 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Adaptibar has refused to provide me with information as to which of the civ pro questions are the newly released ones. Have any of you figured out which ones they are or know how to figure it out? It would be annoying to have to purchase them from NCBE when they are already in adaptibar. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! If you're using a computer, fake questions are labeled 'simulated' and ...
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 3:45:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
so Duke had their best employment numbers while summer class sizes were shrinking? This doom and gloom is baffling to me (2017 grad). Everything I've heard from last year's OCI is that it was easy as shit to get a job. 2019 people with 3.2s got V10 firms that would have never considered them during OCI my year. The economy is doing really well -- please don't scare 2Ls with this. Yeah, you might ...
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Difference between Hearsay Exclusions and Hearsay Exceptions  
  by: Nightcrawler   on: July 21, at 3:44:31 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
If you had to explain it to a 5 year old, what's the difference between hearsay exclusions and exceptions? I know they are in two different FRE articles, but why? Is there any policy reason/rationale behind this? I know it's not crucial for the exam but I just want to understand it just so it may all click more. Thanks.
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Re: New York Bar July 2018  
  by: purpleyrain   on: July 21, at 3:39:33 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Also, I know this is a stupid question but how cold does it get at the Armory? I tend to get cold really easily. Like 2 hours at a starbucks in August and I have on a sweatshirt and a fleece jacket and long pants when everyone else has a t-shirt and shorts. Are we only allowed sweaters and sweatshirts and no jackets?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Auxilio   on: July 21, at 3:36:20 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. Guy didn't respond to me. Not really sure I understand why set 17 would randomly be the same acro...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jawaharlaw nehru   on: July 21, at 3:34:42 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. Guy didn't respond to me. Not really sure I understand why set 17 would randomly be the same acro...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Auxilio   on: July 21, at 3:29:48 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. Guy didn't respond to me. Not really sure I understand why set 17 would randomly be the same acro...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 21, at 3:28:04 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. Guy didn't respond to me. Not really sure I understand why set 17 would randomly be the same acro...
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Re: Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: estefanchanning   on: July 21, at 3:16:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Adaptibar has refused to provide me with information as to which of the civ pro questions are the newly released ones. Have any of you figured out which ones they are or know how to figure it out? It would be annoying to have to purchase them from NCBE when they are already in adaptibar. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! If you're using a computer, fake questions are labeled 'simulated' and ...
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Re: Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: Atmosphere   on: July 21, at 3:16:26 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Preety sure they’re all simulated
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Commercial Paper  
  by: Sojourner2   on: July 21, at 2:50:27 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Commercial paper has been my nemesis and I am making a last-ditch effort to understand it. What I am struggling to understand is when you would sue under a contract theory versus a warranty theory? According to the LeanSheets for Commercial Paper, if you are stuck at the "end of the line" with a defective instrument and want to sue "up the chain" to recover your money, whether ...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jcwest   on: July 21, at 2:47:50 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. I haven't done 17, but I did 18 and I did really bad on it, like 56%. I'm averaging about mid 60'...
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Anyone know how to tell which civ pro questions in adaptibar are real?  
  by: DrainTheNCBEswamp   on: July 21, at 2:44:11 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Adaptibar has refused to provide me with information as to which of the civ pro questions are the newly released ones. Have any of you figured out which ones they are or know how to figure it out? It would be annoying to have to purchase them from NCBE when they are already in adaptibar. Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks!
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Re: Is January 2019 too late?  
  by: LSAT_Ninja_Tutor   on: July 21, at 2:36:27 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
For some schools, January test scores will not be released in time. Check websites for admission deadlines. For those schools that have a later deadline, technically, January is not too late, but it does not put you in the best possible position for admission. Why? Law schools have rolling admissions. They review applications as they come in. The ideal situation would be to have your application c...
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Re: AUGUST 2018 - MPRE DISCUSSION  
  by: GFox345   on: July 21, at 2:35:03 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Don't you mean August 11, or do they administer the MPRE on Sundays in some jurisdictions? I am studying for it now.
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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions  
  by: Veil of Ignorance   on: July 21, at 2:21:34 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Why is Harvard's federal clerkship rate lower than SLS? Could it be that more HLS students choose to work for a year or two before applying for a clerkship?
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: psg190   on: July 21, at 2:16:08 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

lawyer786 wrote:For those who have already taken the exam, are we allowed to bring our stuff in a backpack, or do we have to keep everything in one of those gallon-sized zip locks like for the LSAT. This includes things like laptop, lunch, pencil, etc. Thanks!
Everything needs to be in a clear bag. Backpack and lunch stay outside.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Exa ... Exam-Rules
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Great45   on: July 21, at 2:06:46 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. I haven't done 17, but I did 18 and I did really bad on it, like 56%. I'm averaging about mid 60'...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: lawyer786   on: July 21, at 2:05:30 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For those who have already taken the exam, are we allowed to bring our stuff in a backpack, or do we have to keep everything in one of those gallon-sized zip locks like for the LSAT. This includes things like laptop, lunch, pencil, etc. Thanks!
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: MGH1989   on: July 21, at 2:00:20 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I was looking at Con law questions for my state and one of them was about basically redrawing school district lines in a city to have a more equal representation of races among the schools in the district. How would I answer a question like this? Can you apply racial gerrymandering rules to this, or would I just answer it like an affirmative action question and apply strict scrutiny?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: MGH1989   on: July 21, at 1:57:20 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes. I haven't done 17, but I did 18 and I did really bad on it, like 56%. I'm averaging about mid 60'...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Great45   on: July 21, at 1:52:58 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Any confirmation that Mixed Set 17 was the same across the board for everyone? Did well enough (I guess) on 17, but did 18 right after and COMPLETELY BLEW IT. I was thinking of just swearing off MBE questions until exam day, but I can't let that be my last performance ahead of the exam, can I? Yikes.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: Atmosphere   on: July 21, at 1:37:29 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I did the OPE 3 this morning and scored 83%. I remembered some of the questions from studying. SO this definitely cannot be accurate. I also heard ncbe OPEs are easier than what is tested now. Any one else have a similar problem? or heard whether OPEs are still good to use? Where did you hear the OPEs are easier? Google OPEs vs Actual MBE, but I think it’s all speculation. I think if you’re scori...
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Re: Patent Law Interest  
  by: HamlinMcgill   on: July 21, at 1:36:17 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I'm not a patent lawyer, but no one else has answered you yet, so: Given my background, am I limited to the semiconductor/telecom industry? No What areas of the country are popular for those patent attorneys? The Bay Area is popular obviously, but there are patent lawyers all over. What is the salary progression? The big firms all generally pay their associates on the same scale, starting at $190k...
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Re: Supplemental J  
  by: Atmosphere   on: July 21, at 1:35:04 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
could be wrong, but plaintiffs generally can't aggregate claims to hit +75k; one plaintiff must have +75k in order for plaintiffs with smaller amounts in controversy to tag along. so as long as one plaintiff has the required amount (through aggregating its claims against a defendant/jointly liable defendants), others with smaller amounts can join as long as they don't violate complete diversity. ...
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Re: Mbe Scoring  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 21, at 1:34:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Sorry, this might be a noob question. I'm taking the CA bar and got a 130/200 on the Kaplan Final. The instructor said for scaling purposes to add 20 points, which would mean 150. Does that mean my scaled MBE for CA would be roughly a 1500? I would like to know so I can use the calculator that's posted above. Thanks. For true scaling purposes, as I mention above, in J17, a 115 raw MBE (66% correc...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: abogado2018   on: July 21, at 1:32:34 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

LASTTIMESACHARM wrote:I did the OPE 3 this morning and scored 83%. I remembered some of the questions from studying. SO this definitely cannot be accurate. I also heard ncbe OPEs are easier than what is tested now.

Any one else have a similar problem? or heard whether OPEs are still good to use?

Where did you hear the OPEs are easier?
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Re: Pre-OCI 2018  
  by: carsondalywashere   on: July 21, at 12:56:14 pm   in: Legal Employment

Wubbles wrote:
carsondalywashere wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any movement from NY?
yes?
if that was you with the stupid question, I swear...
Nope, just laughing my ass off
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Re: Moving to Austin- Job search help  
  by: Pneumonia   on: July 21, at 12:53:42 pm   in: Legal Employment

northwood wrote:I’m seriously contemplating moving to Austin, Texas for family reasons. I’m admitted in NY and have been practicing for 3 + years doing banking/ real estate work. Don’t want to take then Texas bar unless absolutely necessary. Since I’m still working I want to be discreet about my job hunt. Any one know of any sources I can use for help?

Thanks

Feel free to PM me.
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 12:43:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
so Duke had their best employment numbers while summer class sizes were shrinking? This doom and gloom is baffling to me (2017 grad). Everything I've heard from last year's OCI is that it was easy as shit to get a job. 2019 people with 3.2s got V10 firms that would have never considered them during OCI my year. The economy is doing really well -- please don't scare 2Ls with this. Yeah, you might ...
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Re: Top 25% at S--how much does no law review matter?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 12:39:58 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Every class is different, but my guess is that 8Hs 6Ps and 1 book prize would put you around the top 15%-20% cut-off while 9Hs / 5Ps and a book award is plausibly top 10%. (It also depends, obviously, on what weight you afford book prizes.) In any event, clinical experience isn't going to help a ton for CoA judges, while secondary journal e-board experience will. I'd say the reverse is true for dc...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: not guilty   on: July 21, at 12:38:44 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

kiadak231 wrote:Ugh is how I feel about those predictions. I don't know if they would go a year without having evidence though, seems to be at least once a year.
They tested evidence in February 2018 (and Feb 2017).
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 12:26:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
so Duke had their best employment numbers while summer class sizes were shrinking? This doom and gloom is baffling to me (2017 grad). Everything I've heard from last year's OCI is that it was easy as shit to get a job. 2019 people with 3.2s got V10 firms that would have never considered them during OCI my year. The economy is doing really well -- please don't scare 2Ls with this. Yeah, you might ...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: sproutz   on: July 21, at 12:23:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For the MEE, is memorizing the rule statements on the model essay answers enough for each topic? The outlines cover so much material for each topic. For example, in secured transactions, I just did the 6 essays and created an outline with all the concepts covered in those 6 essays and hope that will be enough if a secured transactions question is on the exam. What do you think of this approach? I...
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Re: UChicago Law 2018 Transfer Thread  
  by: Blew2020   on: July 21, at 12:23:00 pm   in: Transfers

kengh wrote:
Blew2020 wrote:Just turned down my offer! Hope someone in here gets it. Best of luck

Thank you. Where are you headed?


Northwestern!
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Completely self editing writing sample?  
  by: timmyd   on: July 21, at 12:22:25 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
I've seen a lot of judges recently calling for "completely self edited" writing samples. I previously clerked for a fed district judge and have been in private practice for two years now, often writing intensive. I don't think I have a completely self edited piece. I have an unreleased opinion from my prior clerkship and multiple msj briefs that I could use; none of these were from spare...
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Re: GULC/Georgetown RD 2018 (class of 2020)  
  by: Blew2020   on: July 21, at 12:20:55 pm   in: Transfers

Toaster24 wrote:Has anyone on the waitlist heard anything yet? I have not seen anyone, waitlist or not, say they were rejected at this point.


I was admitted off the waitlist and I declined.
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Re: Mbe Scoring  
  by: ladybug1989   on: July 21, at 12:11:25 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Sorry, this might be a noob question. I'm taking the CA bar and got a 130/200 on the Kaplan Final. The instructor said for scaling purposes to add 20 points, which would mean 150. Does that mean my scaled MBE for CA would be roughly a 1500? I would like to know so I can use the calculator that's posted above. Thanks. For true scaling purposes, as I mention above, in J17, a 115 raw MBE (66% correc...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: NotSkadden   on: July 21, at 12:00:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone have a Completed/Filled Corporations Lecture Handout PDF they'd be willing to send me? I can't seem to find mine on my computer.

kylloriley@gmail.com

Thanks.
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Re: 2018 July DC Bar  
  by: Nicolena.   on: July 21, at 11:40:55 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Heads up. Wonderful weather predictions for Tuesday and Wednesday.

Plan accordingly.
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Re: Advice Needed: Emory vs GW Transfer  
  by: unsweetened   on: July 21, at 11:39:01 am   in: Transfers
From my experience, unless you are in the top 20% at either school, OCI is not likely to have a positive yield. Sure you will get plenty of 20 min screeners, but if you're not part the core group that gets recycled through all the OCI slots, chances of success are pretty slim. IMO, making sure you go to school where you want to practice is way more important than OCI. Going to school where you wan...
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Re: New York Bar July 2018  
  by: adil91   on: July 21, at 11:36:09 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Will they provide us the Examplify passwords for the MEE and MPT or do we have to memorize our Examplify passwords?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: fuuuuuuuuuu   on: July 21, at 11:30:21 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Think that's normal. Sounds like the general consensus.

gasfard wrote:totally bombed practice exam #4 I got 70%+ in the 100 question set a couple days ago and thought I was all set... now I'm back to doing more MBEs

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: unsweetened   on: July 21, at 11:20:20 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
On another note, and sorry if this is a dumb question but how important is it to get to the right conclusion on the MEE? I came to the totally wrong conclusion for a Con Law essay, basically missed the boat on applying the standard of review and misstated the dormant commerce clause test. I still managed a 4/6 because my answer was organized (IRAC) and I used all the facts in the prompt. Based on...
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Re: Supplemental J  
  by: emwallen   on: July 21, at 10:46:48 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
could be wrong, but plaintiffs generally can't aggregate claims to hit +75k; one plaintiff must have +75k in order for plaintiffs with smaller amounts in controversy to tag along. so as long as one plaintiff has the required amount (through aggregating its claims against a defendant/jointly liable defendants), others with smaller amounts can join as long as they don't violate complete diversity.
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Re: Supplemental J  
  by: bananaphone   on: July 21, at 10:40:27 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thank you. What about multiple plaintiffs and claim aggregation? Does that allow for wiggling around the 75k?
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Re: Supplemental J  
  by: emwallen   on: July 21, at 10:33:51 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
" First you ask if §1367(a) grants supplemental jurisdiction for a claims that form part of the same case or controversy as a case already in federal court — whether that was in federal court because of fedQ or diversity. -Is there a “common nucleus of operative fact” - Then if original claim was based ONLY on diversity, you ask if §1367(b) takes away supplement jurisdiction, essentially beca...
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2018-2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 10:06:59 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone know anything about which components in the criminal division are actually hiring?
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: mrro   on: July 21, at 9:51:32 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
A few questions if anyone would like to clear this up for me: ConLaw - Free speech When is the area outside of a government building a public or non-public forum? So far I have seen on multiple choice questions that the area outside of a courthouse is non-public, but the steps outside of a state capitol is public. What is the difference here? Is there a key distinction between the traditional use ...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: NotSkadden   on: July 21, at 9:37:11 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For people who have been studying 10-12 hours a day the past 10 days and have been scoring over 70% on MBE PQs/PTs. Are you guys slowing down these next couple days? Significantly. Today is my last day doing 10-12 hours. I need to review Corps and Secured. Tomorrow I'm going to travel to Bar location and casually listen to Ide-don on the drive. I'll prob do 10-20 MBE questions each day just to st...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: gasfard   on: July 21, at 9:31:50 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
totally bombed practice exam #4 I got 70%+ in the 100 question set a couple days ago and thought I was all set... now I'm back to doing more MBEs
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Re: AUGUST 2018 - MPRE DISCUSSION  
  by: gasfard   on: July 21, at 9:29:56 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Themis worked for me. I studied for about 2 weeks while in school.
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Supplemental J  
  by: bananaphone   on: July 21, at 9:14:34 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone have a list or is anyone willing to explain when a court does and does not have supplemental jurisdiction in these cases? I.e intervention, counterclaim, cross claim, permissive and required joinder, impleader, interpleader 1. When a new party or claim meets diversity but NOT amount in controversy 2. When a new party or claim meets neither diversity or amount in controversy Does the an...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: CBlaw   on: July 21, at 9:13:23 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For people who have been studying 10-12 hours a day the past 10 days and have been scoring over 70% on MBE PQs/PTs. Are you guys slowing down these next couple days? I started slowing down like 2 days ago. IMO being burned out/tired for an exam is way more detrimental to your score than not re reading essays or doing more MC after 1000's done. Just read other responses above this that say somethi...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: 2015_Splitter   on: July 21, at 9:12:15 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For people who have been studying 10-12 hours a day the past 10 days and have been scoring over 70% on MBE PQs/PTs. Are you guys slowing down these next couple days? I've slowed down since about Wednesday. Not out of choice, but I really don't know how much I can do from sheer exhaustion and boredom. So since Wednesday, I've done about 50 MBE PQ's, and then maybe read through one or two MEE Final...
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AUGUST 2018 - MPRE DISCUSSION  
  by: Neilt001   on: July 21, at 9:07:28 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi all, thought I'd start a thread for those writing the MPRE on August12.

Anyone who's written the MPRE have any tips, guidance, recommendations, suggestions for studying?

I hear you only need like 2 weeks of evening study (I work full time and am using Themis). Does that sound about right? Would just one week of study work?

Also is it hard?

Thanks!!
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Re: Horror Story...Yet Still Passed?  
  by: rustyburger2   on: July 21, at 9:03:08 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Somehow this thread just makes me anxious – everyone freaking out over a single botched essay. Are people going into this legit expecting to 100% know the law on all essays/issues? My impression was that with a slightly better than average MBE score you could take a dump on your laptop and submit that in lieu of an essay.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jcwest   on: July 21, at 8:54:13 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For people who have been studying 10-12 hours a day the past 10 days and have been scoring over 70% on MBE PQs/PTs.

Are you guys slowing down these next couple days?
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Re: Last minute clerkship opportunity - who to tell at firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 8:20:49 am   in: Legal Employment
Email the partner(s) that you have the strongest connection with, not more than 2. Then email HR immediately after. Since your NY biglaw firm will have a standard clerking policy, you won't need to do much explaining. Just say that you accepted a clerkship from <date> to <date>, you'd like to return to the firm after, apologize for the last minute notice, mention that you only found out yesterday...
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Re: Last minute clerkship opportunity - who to tell at firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 8:20:20 am   in: Legal Employment
Email the partner(s) that you have the strongest connection with, not more than 2. Then email HR immediately after. Since your NY biglaw firm will have a standard clerking policy, you won't need to do much explaining. Just say that you accepted a clerkship from <date> to <date>, you'd like to return to the firm after, apologize for the last minute notice, mention that you only found out yesterday...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: fuuuuuuuuuu   on: July 21, at 8:00:38 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I can't speak for the UBE, but that's exactly what I did for Florida, and my essays are what carried me through to pass surprisingly. For the MEE, is memorizing the rule statements on the model essay answers enough for each topic? The outlines cover so much material for each topic. For example, in secured transactions, I just did the 6 essays and created an outline with all the concepts covered in...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: BigCityDreams   on: July 21, at 7:41:50 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I just bought the book. At this point, I'm desperate for anything that might help me actually learn wtf is in these TX essays. Also, do I really need to spend time and review Federal Corp Taxation, Federal Estate and Gift Tax, and Fed Income Tax? What are the chances these will be on the bar? I'd rather spend my time on other shit. Skip those. Those topics are ancillary and as such are way less l...
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Re: 2018 July DC Bar  
  by: CLSGumbo   on: July 21, at 6:40:01 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I accidentally updated to 10.13.6 on Mac OS. Really hope this doesnt impact exam4
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Re: Horror Story...Yet Still Passed?  
  by: CLSGumbo   on: July 21, at 6:34:50 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Yes yes. I need a thread of just first time takers telling me they passed after knowing they failed
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: MRSP   on: July 21, at 1:59:44 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For the MEE, is memorizing the rule statements on the model essay answers enough for each topic? The outlines cover so much material for each topic. For example, in secured transactions, I just did the 6 essays and created an outline with all the concepts covered in those 6 essays and hope that will be enough if a secured transactions question is on the exam. What do you think of this approach? I...
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Re: HLS EIP 2016  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 1:14:27 am   in: Legal Employment
I have one LP but otherwise pretty good grades (5Hs). An advisor at OCS told me that even if not prompted, I should explain the LP every time I hand my transcript to the the interviewer. To me, this feels like I could be bringing unnecessary attention to it. Does anyone, particularly 3Ls or alumni who had an LP, have any advice here? Your instinct is right - this is bad advice and you should igno...
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Re: HLS EIP 2016  
  by: tulip18   on: July 21, at 1:05:01 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone here have experience doing EIP with really weird grades (1DS/3H/5P/1LP). The "strategic bidding" chart on OCS only talks about H/P grades so I am having a tough time figuring out where I stand. Targeting lit in Chicago if that makes any difference. Thanks for any advice! That's not that weird. Just assume you're median. It doesn't really matter in Chicago anyway. You're going to ...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: psg190   on: July 21, at 12:59:41 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
^Community property wasn't on the last bar and they like to test it so it's likely to come up in some capacity. Apart from the subjects that are always tested it's hard to make any predictions w/ certainty, except what anyone could discern by looking at the past tested subjects... like wills usually wont be tested in full two exams in a row (if at all) and con law was tested as a a full question ...
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Re: HLS EIP 2016  
  by: tulip18   on: July 21, at 12:49:39 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone here have experience doing EIP with really weird grades (1DS/3H/5P/1LP). The "strategic bidding" chart on OCS only talks about H/P grades so I am having a tough time figuring out where I stand. Targeting lit in Chicago if that makes any difference. Thanks for any advice!

how did your outcome turn out? bidding new york but curious if it ended up okay?
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Re: Bay Area Diversity Career Fair 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 21, at 12:45:06 am   in: Legal Employment
Need some help. I bid one firm very high but was not invited to a screener nor alternate. Then I bid the firm at my school's oci and was able to secure an interview. Today, I just found out that I got a slot with the firm through the lottery process. Should I email the firm canceling the interview at the job fair to avoid double interview?
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Re: St. Johns –> WUSTL  
  by: Biningtonjoe   on: July 21, at 12:27:32 am   in: Transfers
Bump
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Re: Horror Story...Yet Still Passed?  
  by: Angel66   on: July 21, at 12:20:44 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

malibustacy wrote:Bump for people who might want some reassurance before the bar exam. I personally found this thread incredibly soothing.

Wow, thank you for doing this all of us who are nervous about the upcoming bar... It definitely gave me a lot more confidence!
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Elastigirl14   on: July 21, at 12:10:43 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For the MEE, is memorizing the rule statements on the model essay answers enough for each topic? The outlines cover so much material for each topic. For example, in secured transactions, I just did the 6 essays and created an outline with all the concepts covered in those 6 essays and hope that will be enough if a secured transactions question is on the exam. What do you think of this approach? Is...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: a male human   on: July 20, at 11:45:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Yeah, Remedies was suddenly tested like 5 out of 6 exams in a row. I can understand how "fun" it might be people to predict... this time more so than usual, it seems like. Personally, trying to predict would give me more anxiety, and I'd focus on weak subjects than "likely" subjects. Predictions are like opinions, and you know what they say about opinions. If you're going to ga...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: barprepforca   on: July 20, at 11:43:54 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
If I get a full wills question, I may just walk out of the exam room.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: estefanchanning   on: July 20, at 11:40:44 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
On the other end of the "prediction spectrum," does anyone have any thoughts or seen any predictions elsewhere (or compiled them) on what the least likely topics are for the essays? And yes, I am coping on this last weekend and considering gambling a bit. But I presume at least a few are unlikely. ^Community property wasn't on the last bar and they like to test it so it's likely to come...
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Does working during 2 gap years between HS and college count as work experience?  
  by: MissMusicLaw   on: July 20, at 11:34:07 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hello lovely people! Thank you for taking the time to click on this question. I graduated HS and delayed my collegiate education for 2 unplanned gap years because I had to earn/save money in order to attend college. I worked for two years as an educational after school program facilitator and counselor for my city’s elementary and middle school system (one of the highest nationally ranked school s...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: zr3sg   on: July 20, at 11:33:16 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
On the other end of the "prediction spectrum," does anyone have any thoughts or seen any predictions elsewhere (or compiled them) on what the least likely topics are for the essays? And yes, I am coping on this last weekend and considering gambling a bit. But I presume at least a few are unlikely. ^Community property wasn't on the last bar and they like to test it so it's likely to come...
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Re: Horror Story...Yet Still Passed?  
  by: malibustacy   on: July 20, at 11:28:31 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Bump for people who might want some reassurance before the bar exam. I personally found this thread incredibly soothing.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=234351

Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: deacon   on: July 20, at 11:11:09 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is everyone studying all MEE subjects or just the ones recommending by JD advising? It's just so much info. It goes without saying that it's impossible to predict. But I will say this : the gain derived from studying all subjects (even if it's an information overload) is greater than the gain derived from excluding some subjects in order to strengthen others. Or in other words : the detriment tha...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: psg190   on: July 20, at 11:04:08 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
On the other end of the "prediction spectrum," does anyone have any thoughts or seen any predictions elsewhere (or compiled them) on what the least likely topics are for the essays? And yes, I am coping on this last weekend and considering gambling a bit. But I presume at least a few are unlikely. Community property has been on the last two exams. Tough to say considering the potential ...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: JakeTappers   on: July 20, at 10:14:53 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
On the other end of the "prediction spectrum," does anyone have any thoughts or seen any predictions elsewhere (or compiled them) on what the least likely topics are for the essays? And yes, I am coping on this last weekend and considering gambling a bit. But I presume at least a few are unlikely.
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Re: Moving to Austin- Job search help  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 10:14:05 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a summer in Austin but if I can help get you info post here and let me know! If nothing else I have a good sense of which firms specialize in which areas.
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Re: 2017 T-30 Grad With Awful Grades  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 10:13:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you’re a BC law grad (top-30 powerhouse?). If it makes you feel better, I knew two people in my class with sub-3.0 gpas and both ended up finding legal employment after passing the bar. I also heard of someone with a 2.7 or something getting a biglaw offer after a few years. It helps that you went to bc, but at the end of the day, you need to pass the bar f...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Tala29   on: July 20, at 10:11:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is everyone studying all MEE subjects or just the ones recommending by JD advising? It's just so much info. It goes without saying that it's impossible to predict. But I will say this : the gain derived from studying all subjects (even if it's an information overload) is greater than the gain derived from excluding some subjects in order to strengthen others. Or in other words : the detriment tha...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: dlrkgml   on: July 20, at 9:44:08 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone else feeling like the Themis lectures for the MEE subjects, including the Ide-Don ones, covered not even close to enough of the stuff showing up on the practice essays... Yea, the lectures were pretty bare bones. But I think the MEE FROs covered most of them? On another note, and sorry if this is a dumb question but how important is it to get to the right conclusion on the MEE? I just did ...
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Re: Let's Talk 4th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 9:43:20 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:any update on keenan for 2020-2021?
I know that she is currently interviewing.
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Re: Harvard EIP 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 9:42:13 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:The conventional wisdom from this thread that last year was a “bloodbath” in DC isn’t really borne out by the data. Would recommend people compare the 2017 EIP spreadsheet OCS provides with 2016 to discern the degree to which there was any difference. The 2017 HLS EIP thread here is mainly filled with anecdata from people who were struggling.

Where can one find it, out of curiosity?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: markham1321   on: July 20, at 9:32:37 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone else feeling like the Themis lectures for the MEE subjects, including the Ide-Don ones, covered not even close to enough of the stuff showing up on the practice essays...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Guccifer91   on: July 20, at 9:05:17 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi - I took the Feb 18 test in Houston. Phones are definitely not allowed in the testing room. Just outside the doors to the testing room, they had an area roped off where you could put your belongings on the floor and there were a few BLE staff posted there the entire time. However, it wasn't very secure -- anybody, really, could walk up and grab a backpack and walk off with it. Different locati...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: xonimi   on: July 20, at 8:53:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
My MBE scores have dropped a lot these past couple of days. I just did a 50 question mixed set on Adaptibar and got 60%. Anyone else have a similar problem?
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Re: Blank Rome Raise?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 8:49:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
Have a screener coming up with Blank Rome DC. Does anyone think they will raise to 190? Blank Rome already wasn't paying market prior to the move to $190. They may at some point move to $190 eventually but they're never going to be market after 1st year (and I don't think they pay market bonuses either). From last time around: https://abovethelaw.com/2017/02/firm-finally-announces-raises-and-asso...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jcwest   on: July 20, at 8:33:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
At least in NY, if you can hit median on the MBE, you only have to score in the ~19th percentile on the MEE/MPT portion (see: https://i.imgur.com/2qMuKgV.png ). That's 19th percentile in a group that includes 15-20% foreign/non-ABA law school grads and re-takers who will fail again. As long as you don't panic and have some idea what you're talking about, you will be fine. I keep looking at that g...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: midtrains   on: July 20, at 8:30:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have gotten to the point where I get to an easy question and I am totally overthinking everything, be it MBE or MEE. I got hit with an MEE question that basically asked "how do you get evidence from a witness in a civil case" and I panicked, went blank, then started thinking in circles. The same answer was basically "you engage in discovery, which can be done with written and ora...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: midtrains   on: July 20, at 8:30:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have gotten to the point where I get to an easy question and I am totally overthinking everything, be it MBE or MEE. I got hit with an MEE question that basically asked "how do you get evidence from a witness in a civil case" and I panicked, went blank, then started thinking in circles. The same answer was basically "you engage in discovery, which can be done with written and ora...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: deacon   on: July 20, at 8:30:11 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
At least in NY, if you can hit median on the MBE, you only have to score in the ~19th percentile on the MEE/MPT portion (see: https://i.imgur.com/2qMuKgV.png ). That's 19th percentile in a group that includes 15-20% foreign/non-ABA law school grads and re-takers who will fail again. As long as you don't panic and have some idea what you're talking about, you will be fine. Okay my brain is fried r...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: gasfard   on: July 20, at 8:29:24 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
At least in NY, if you can hit median on the MBE, you only have to score in the ~19th percentile on the MEE/MPT portion (see: https://i.imgur.com/2qMuKgV.png ). That's 19th percentile in a group that includes 15-20% foreign/non-ABA law school grads and re-takers who will fail again. As long as you don't panic and have some idea what you're talking about, you will be fine. I keep looking at that g...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Auxilio   on: July 20, at 8:24:12 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum


This might be the most equal division of answers I've seen so far on an MBE question. And correct answer still managed to be the least chosen.

Also, just echoing the above "fuck you" to non-CA takers and your silly MEE
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Re: Going back to biglaw after exiting  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 8:17:18 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not to state the obvious, but I think it's much easier if you leave the door open at your old firm. I quit for ~half a year basically to do fun stuff, then returned to my old firm without any real trouble. I assume this is partly because, unlike other firms, they didn't have any reason to think that I'd been been forced out of biglaw. I was just burned out from some tough periods with both person...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jcwest   on: July 20, at 8:03:42 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
today, i did a second "simulated" MBE by using practice exam #4 and the 100-question mixed practice set. was able to manage a 75% on practice exam #4 and a 74% on the mixed practice set (which i found to be a lot harder because i was making quite a bit of educated guesses--this is usually the case, right? i mean you do the best you can to narrow down some of the answer choices?). i'm ha...
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: guynourmin   on: July 20, at 8:02:24 pm   in: Legal Employment

hlsperson1111 wrote:But I think people getting dinged for wearing a light blue shirt is largely an urban TLS myth.

Wait, is that a myth? I've been wearing light blue shirts...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: unsweetened   on: July 20, at 7:56:19 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I have gotten to the point where I get to an easy question and I am totally overthinking everything, be it MBE or MEE. I got hit with an MEE question that basically asked "how do you get evidence from a witness in a civil case" and I panicked, went blank, then started thinking in circles. The same answer was basically "you engage in discovery, which can be done with written and oral...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 20, at 7:54:56 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
At least in NY, if you can hit median on the MBE, you only have to score in the ~19th percentile on the MEE/MPT portion (see: https://i.imgur.com/2qMuKgV.png ). That's 19th percentile in a group that includes 15-20% foreign/non-ABA law school grads and re-takers who will fail again. As long as you don't panic and have some idea what you're talking about, you will be fine. Speaking as a California...
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Re: 2017 T-30 Grad With Awful Grades  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 7:52:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not passing the bar is def. holding you back. Unlike many others in your shoes, you're at least taking on doc review jobs, so that's good. You have to figure out why you're not passing the bar. If you are self-studying, you need to invest in a good bar prep course, especially since you're not in debt. You also need to start networking with partners/associates at small firms. Eventually you'll land...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: White Dwarf   on: July 20, at 7:44:42 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
At least in NY, if you can hit median on the MBE, you only have to score in the ~19th percentile on the MEE/MPT portion (see: https://i.imgur.com/2qMuKgV.png).

That's 19th percentile in a group that includes 15-20% foreign/non-ABA law school grads and re-takers who will fail again. As long as you don't panic and have some idea what you're talking about, you will be fine.
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: hlsperson1111   on: July 20, at 7:31:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you law students want to know what real lawyers look like, on their most important day, check out these videos of Ninth Circuit oral arguments. No one cares what your socks or whatever look like, and it's not a profession of models (and that includes me). https://www.youtube.com/user/9thcirc/videos Edit: Actually, I just realized it might be different for transactional lawyers interacting with...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: MRSP   on: July 20, at 7:31:38 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
today, i did a second "simulated" MBE by using practice exam #4 and the 100-question mixed practice set. was able to manage a 75% on practice exam #4 and a 74% on the mixed practice set (which i found to be a lot harder because i was making quite a bit of educated guesses--this is usually the case, right? i mean you do the best you can to narrow down some of the answer choices?). i'm ha...
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Re: 2017 T-30 Grad With Awful Grades  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 7:16:59 pm   in: Legal Employment
1)What I should be doing now? 2)Whether or not the relatively good reputation of my school in the city I currently live in will slightly make up for such an awful GPA? 3)Whether or not my GPA has permanently closed doors for certain jobs (by no means BigLaw, or even higher paying Mid Law) jobs in the future if I choose to lateral up? Put every effort into passing the bar. That's probably holding ...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: jcwest   on: July 20, at 7:09:07 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
today, i did a second "simulated" MBE by using practice exam #4 and the 100-question mixed practice set. was able to manage a 75% on practice exam #4 and a 74% on the mixed practice set (which i found to be a lot harder because i was making quite a bit of educated guesses--this is usually the case, right? i mean you do the best you can to narrow down some of the answer choices?). i'm ha...
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 6:58:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
so Duke had their best employment numbers while summer class sizes were shrinking?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: MRSP   on: July 20, at 6:51:23 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
today, i did a second "simulated" MBE by using practice exam #4 and the 100-question mixed practice set. was able to manage a 75% on practice exam #4 and a 74% on the mixed practice set (which i found to be a lot harder because i was making quite a bit of educated guesses--this is usually the case, right? i mean you do the best you can to narrow down some of the answer choices?). i'm ha...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: mike241   on: July 20, at 6:42:13 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
today, i did a second "simulated" MBE by using practice exam #4 and the 100-question mixed practice set. was able to manage a 75% on practice exam #4 and a 74% on the mixed practice set (which i found to be a lot harder because i was making quite a bit of educated guesses--this is usually the case, right? i mean you do the best you can to narrow down some of the answer choices?). i'm hap...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: yasujiro   on: July 20, at 6:38:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi - I took the Feb 18 test in Houston. Phones are definitely not allowed in the testing room. Just outside the doors to the testing room, they had an area roped off where you could put your belongings on the floor and there were a few BLE staff posted there the entire time. However, it wasn't very secure -- anybody, really, could walk up and grab a backpack and walk off with it. Different locatio...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Wendelsr   on: July 20, at 6:38:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
A defendant was charged with assault after being involved in a barroom fight in the middle of the day. The defendant admitted to being at the bar at the time of the fight, but claimed that he was only a bystander. At the defendant’s trial, the prosecutor intended to call the defendant’s former employer. The employer was to testify that the defendant had been fired and was not working at the time o...
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Re: What to do with firms that pre-selected you at old school  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 6:32:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
*I am a rising second year at a T13 school with no knowledge of the transfer process. But here is my advice. The timing here is confusing. How can you participate in the new school OCI? You'll do the OCI before taking any classes there? It's not "obvious" to me you'll be at the new school's OCI; not everyone knows how transferring works - make sure you explain to the recruiters concisel...
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Re: Late July Waitlist  
  by: maddie99   on: July 20, at 6:30:46 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Hi Maddie, I am in a very similar situation! I was waitlisted by my top choice in late May, sent my LOCI in three days later. I am a paralegal and had another partner at my firm send in a supplemental LOR on the June deposit deadline. They sent me a "waitlist update" last week, and immediately responded to my email thanking them for the update and re-affirming that they are my top choic...
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 6:27:52 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Where's everyone bidding/hoping for?

I'm split on TX/DC/NY

I'm hoping for anywhere, but if I had to choose, DC/GA. My grades suck, so whatever everything sucks for me now.
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: LASTTIMESACHARM   on: July 20, at 6:22:37 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I just recently bought a new MacBook as the one I had was ancient. Last one I had was a MacBook Pro but I opted to just get air because I figured I really only need it for the exam. I use PCs at work. THANK GOODNESS because its the Pros they are not allowing which sucks because they were so much more expensive than the air. I truly feel for those who bought them.
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: xtremenite   on: July 20, at 6:06:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
As someone below median, I am now depressed, especially since the attorneys I hang out with this summer at my government internship cheer me on (if only they knew my grades). :( So much for non-NYC. So much for any job at all in any city. Interviewer here. Lets be real for a second- you weren't getting a non-NYC job with those grades. But you can still get a NYC job. You need to mass mail and the...
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Re: Blank Rome Raise?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 6:05:05 pm   in: Legal Employment
No.
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Re: What to do with firms that pre-selected you at old school  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: July 20, at 6:01:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Risk of transferring. If you get them at new school go ahead and interview. Can’t participate in two oci’s.
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July 2018 LSAT Last Minute Study Prep  
  by: tlsadmin2   on: July 20, at 6:01:33 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
The July LSAT is on Monday, July 23rd.

Does anyone have any last minute study tips?

How do you recommend getting yourself mentally and physically prepared to take it?

You can always quickly go through some of these guides this weekend to make sure you're ready:

TLS LSAT Guides, Advice, and Tools

Good luck on the test!
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 6:01:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
As someone below median, I am now depressed, especially since the attorneys I hang out with this summer at my government internship cheer me on (if only they knew my grades). :( So much for non-NYC. So much for any job at all in any city. Interviewer here. Lets be real for a second- you weren't getting a non-NYC job with those grades. But you can still get a NYC job. You need to mass mail and the...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: EncyclopediaOrange   on: July 20, at 6:00:20 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
The United States Supreme Court, overruling Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, held that women do not have a constitutional right to abortion. Congress responded by passing the Abortion Rights Restoration Act (ARRA), which restored the essential holdings of Roe and Casey by prohibiting any government from unduly burdening a woman’s exercise of the constitutional right to abortion. In a ...
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Re: Supplemental Jurisdiction Question  
  by: max_p   on: July 20, at 5:58:17 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Awesome. Thanks!
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Re: Harvard EIP 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:57:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
I only printed 1L grades. I'm not sure if firms would care if you included your 2L grades, but having everything on one page seemed cleaner. I cannot imagine a world where your 2L class choice has any impact at all on firms decision making process. If you a have a particular interest and that is reflected in your class choices I guess maybe that could casually come up, but that's the type of stuff...
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:55:03 pm   in: Legal Employment
As someone below median, I am now depressed, especially since the attorneys I hang out with this summer at my government internship cheer me on (if only they knew my grades). :( So much for non-NYC. So much for any job at all in any city. Interviewer here. Lets be real for a second- you weren't getting a non-NYC job with those grades. But you can still get a NYC job. You need to mass mail and the...
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Re: Supplemental Jurisdiction Question  
  by: EncyclopediaOrange   on: July 20, at 5:54:31 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I guess my question is whether the second plaintiff could join the first plaintiff's lawsuit, even though neither of the first plaintiff's claims could individually satisfy SMJ requirements. Assume all of the claims, including that of the second plaintiff, arise under the same transaction or occurrence. Is there supplemental jurisdiction for the second plaintiff? Yes if P2 does not destroy divers...
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Re: What to do with firms that pre-selected you at old school  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:54:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
*I am a rising second year at a T13 school with no knowledge of the transfer process. But here is my advice. The timing here is confusing. How can you participate in the new school OCI? You'll do the OCI before taking any classes there? It's not "obvious" to me you'll be at the new school's OCI; not everyone knows how transferring works - make sure you explain to the recruiters concisely...
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: July 20, at 5:51:31 pm   in: Legal Employment

SomewhatLearnedHand wrote:Laugh out loud funny that 95% of the straight up incorrect advice in this thread came from a fuckin 0L and 1L. No wonder they were using anon.

Yea reading this thread as an attorney could be summed up as


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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:50:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
As someone below median, I am now depressed, especially since the attorneys I hang out with this summer at my government internship cheer me on (if only they knew my grades).



So much for non-NYC. So much for any job at all in any city.
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: LaLiLuLeLo   on: July 20, at 5:48:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
lmao you buncha dweebs
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Pajsa18   on: July 20, at 5:45:46 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
So . . . random, but I have 3 children and a husband, and every time I start to lose steam, I turn on ID, I Bet My Life on You . . . Also It’s Time ... Just thought I’d pass it along - seems to get me back in check - thank for listening
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Omerta   on: July 20, at 5:41:35 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
The United States Supreme Court, overruling Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, held that women do not have a constitutional right to abortion. Congress responded by passing the Abortion Rights Restoration Act (ARRA), which restored the essential holdings of Roe and Casey by prohibiting any government from unduly burdening a woman’s exercise of the constitutional right to abortion. In a ...
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Re: Penn OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:39:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
Journal announcements are out
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Is my GPA going to end in rejection regardless of profile?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:37:51 pm   in: Legal Employment
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Re: Last minute clerkship opportunity - who to tell at firm?  
  by: flawedargument   on: July 20, at 5:36:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
Email the partner(s) that you have the strongest connection with, not more than 2. Then email HR immediately after. Since your NY biglaw firm will have a standard clerking policy, you won't need to do much explaining. Just say that you accepted a clerkship from <date> to <date>, you'd like to return to the firm after, apologize for the last minute notice, mention that you only found out yesterday ...
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2017 T-30 Grad With Awful Grades  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:35:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
I graduated from a t-30 law school with an abysmal 2.9.I made the mistake of starting law school without addressing some academic obstacles, B minused the hell out of 1L year, and had some major hiccups all the way into 3L year. To add insult to injury, I failed the bar. Twice. Since graduation, I've been taking the odd doc review job here and there that doesn't require bar passage. As you can ima...
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Re: What to do with firms that pre-selected you at old school  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:33:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’d like to know the answer to this too, as I am in the same spot.
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:32:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
being above median and striking out with 15 screeners? something tells me that a) they bid like a dumbass; b) they’re a garbage interviewer; or c) this was in a worse economy Above alum. This was in the past few years, before summer classes have been shrinking significantly recently. My oci was before the last year or two where summer classes are down 25% across the board in size. So it was a bet...
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Re: Supplemental Jurisdiction Question  
  by: max_p   on: July 20, at 5:32:02 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I guess my question is whether the second plaintiff could join the first plaintiff's lawsuit, even though neither of the first plaintiff's claims could individually satisfy SMJ requirements. Assume all of the claims, including that of the second plaintiff, arise under the same transaction or occurrence. Is there supplemental jurisdiction for the second plaintiff?
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Re: Top 25% at S--how much does no law review matter?  
  by: paragonloop   on: July 20, at 5:30:36 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Secondary journals are not too significant of a commitment, so I'd recommend getting on one of those. If you didn't do a secondary journal during your 1L year, you can trying emailing the EICs of whatever secondary journal interests you most to see if they have a need for Senior Editors. Sometimes 2Ls are also added as board members to secondary journals over the summer. You might also consider tr...
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Last minute clerkship opportunity - who to tell at firm?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:27:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
I interviewed today for a clerkship starting in November. I just graduated and am scheduled to start at a NYC biglaw firm in October. If I get an offer (which I think is likely, given what the judge told one of my recommenders after the interview), who should I contact at the firm about not joining? E.g. Only HR, the hiring partner, and/or my partner mentor from the summer? I don't think they will...
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Re: Columbia 2018 Transfer Thread  
  by: sourbritecrawlers3   on: July 20, at 5:27:20 pm   in: Transfers
Any movements today? And to those who have been accepted, what time do you get the call/email?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: BlueLaw11   on: July 20, at 5:27:18 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
CA folks: I just did the Community Property essay involving stock options and the model answer spends a full page applying the "Hug formula" and the "Nelson formula." These were definitely not in the lectures and I have never seen them before, which is freaking me out. What formulas have you all memorized? Want to make sure I'm not missing anything important. I have only memor...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Guccifer91   on: July 20, at 5:22:33 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone know what we do with all our stuff we're not allowed to bring into the "Secure Area"? I.e. lunch, etc. I read somewhere that there are storage areas provided outside of the Secure Area, at least in Austin. I'd appreciate confirmation of this if anyone else knows. I couldn't find anything, but the first day is just a morning session so I'm sure we can figure it out then. Also...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Guccifer91   on: July 20, at 5:20:36 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I just bought the book. At this point, I'm desperate for anything that might help me actually learn wtf is in these TX essays. Also, do I really need to spend time and review Federal Corp Taxation, Federal Estate and Gift Tax, and Fed Income Tax? What are the chances these will be on the bar? I'd rather spend my time on other shit. Skip those. Those topics are ancillary and as such are way less l...
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Re: Duke OCI 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:20:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
being above median and striking out with 15 screeners? something tells me that a) they bid like a dumbass; b) they’re a garbage interviewer; or c) this was in a worse economy Above alum. This was in the past few years, before summer classes have been shrinking significantly recently. My oci was before the last year or two where summer classes are down 25% across the board in size. So it was a bet...
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Re: Is the rise of the GRE in law school admissions imminent?  
  by: dogger   on: July 20, at 5:17:49 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
LSAT is still king I think and will be for a while.

Look at GMAT/GRE for MBA admissions as comparison. In MBA admissions, GMAT is valued more than GRE, so I think LSAT will remain more valuable than LSAT for law school admissions.
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Blank Rome Raise?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 5:08:04 pm   in: Legal Employment
Have a screener coming up with Blank Rome DC. Does anyone think they will raise to 190?
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Re: Supplemental Jurisdiction Question  
  by: tiffannybrown   on: July 20, at 5:00:12 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I think you are conflating two separate issues: 1. Do a Plaintiff's claims need to have a common nucleus of operative fact/same transaction or occurrence in order to be aggregated to meet the AIC requirements? 2. Does Supplemental Jurisdiction require a common nucleus of operative fact/same transaction or occurrence? 1. Do a Plaintiff's claims need to have a common nucleus of operative fact/same t...
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Re: LA Litigation Market/Best Trial Firms (Latham, GDC, Kirkland?)  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: July 20, at 4:59:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
LOL, brave anon. Stick your head in the sand if you prefer. Not gonna engage. There's empirical research out there that the revolving door pushes people in government, including AUSA offices to work harder to take scalps. Counterpoint: Eric "too big to jail" Holder. No amount of empirical research will convince me that AGs and AUSAs who are lifelong defenders of corporate criminals will,...
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: guynourmin   on: July 20, at 4:59:06 pm   in: Legal Employment
You know what's really fun? Spending 20 minutes outing anon abusers in a 5 page long thread. Now that I'm annoyed after wasting my Friday afternoon cleaning up this crap, I'm in a banning mood. 3 day vacation for any future anon abuse in this thread. Anon function is for when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. The only anons I left intact in this th...
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Re: LA Litigation Market/Best Trial Firms (Latham, GDC, Kirkland?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:53:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
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Re: Bay Area Diversity Career Fair 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:51:02 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:How do we give firms an updated resume? I imagine they'd want to have an updated copy before the interview and the one that I initially used is out-of-date.

you print one out and give it to them during the interview...
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: SloppyHandwriting   on: July 20, at 4:49:35 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone know what we do with all our stuff we're not allowed to bring into the "Secure Area"? I.e. lunch, etc. I read somewhere that there are storage areas provided outside of the Secure Area, at least in Austin. I'd appreciate confirmation of this if anyone else knows. I couldn't find anything, but the first day is just a morning session so I'm sure we can figure it out then. Also...
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Re: LA Litigation Market/Best Trial Firms (Latham, GDC, Kirkland?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:48:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
There's empirical research out there that the revolving door pushes people in government, including AUSA offices to work harder to take scalps. Counterpoint: Eric "too big to jail" Holder. No amount of empirical research will convince me that AGs and AUSAs who are lifelong defenders of corporate criminals will, during their brief sojourns in public office, suddenly become eager to impri...
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Re: Rough time these last few days  
  by: Mobster1983   on: July 20, at 4:46:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone else? This is the second bar I have taken. The first one was after law school, 3 years ago- + remember just running on pure adrenaline my last few days. I Now three years later, I feel like this entire studying process has been too much for me. I feel like my brain has just shut down and I can't get myself to focus, when I still have a lot of things to do. Take a break from studying. Go to...
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Re: Which SF firm should I go to?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:44:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
I don't work in SF, but K&S is a very good firm for white-collar work. You probably already knew that, though.
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Re: LA Litigation Market/Best Trial Firms (Latham, GDC, Kirkland?)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:41:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does Quinn let you bank all unused vacation days so you can use them in the future, or receive compensation if you leave without using them? One firm whose name I forget gives unlimited vacation but doesn't let you roll any of it over. Getting back to the O'Melveny blog, read this: Still, it's unfortunate that the legal system is so broken that people should rather complain on social media. Take ...
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: dixiecup   on: July 20, at 4:36:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
If you law students want to know what real lawyers look like, on their most important day, check out these videos of Ninth Circuit oral arguments. No one cares what your socks or whatever look like, and it's not a profession of models (and that includes me). https://www.youtube.com/user/9thcirc/videos Edit: Actually, I just realized it might be different for transactional lawyers interacting with ...
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: BlackAndOrange84   on: July 20, at 4:34:44 pm   in: Legal Employment

SomewhatLearnedHand wrote:Laugh out loud funny that 95% of the straight up incorrect advice in this thread came from a fuckin 0L and 1L. No wonder they were using anon.

And everybody said "amen."
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Re: NYC to 200k  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:33:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
Morgan Lewis denied raises to certain associates that are not at the firm's productivity levels. Unclear how many associates this affects, but they will all be staying on the old payscale for the foreseeable future. can someone please elaborate on this point? specifically in NYC. Are they paying the new market and the summer bonuses may be based on performance? thinking of lateraling there. Some ...
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Re: Bay Area Diversity Career Fair 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:31:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
How do we give firms an updated resume? I imagine they'd want to have an updated copy before the interview and the one that I initially used is out-of-date.
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Supplemental Jurisdiction Question  
  by: max_p   on: July 20, at 4:25:06 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Got a question that I can't seem to figure out using Kaplan's outline. If a plaintiff has satisfied the requirements for diversity jurisdiction by aggregating two state law claims that are each under the $75,000 requirement (such as two claims for $50,000 each), can another plaintiff join the first plaintiff using supplemental jurisdiction if the claim arises from the same transaction or occurrenc...
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Re: NYC to 200k  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:18:40 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Morgan Lewis denied raises to certain associates that are not at the firm's productivity levels. Unclear how many associates this affects, but they will all be staying on the old payscale for the foreseeable future.

can someone please elaborate on this point? specifically in NYC. Are they paying the new market and the summer bonuses may be based on performance? thinking of lateraling there.
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Guccifer91   on: July 20, at 4:14:29 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone know what we do with all our stuff we're not allowed to bring into the "Secure Area"? I.e. lunch, etc. I read somewhere that there are storage areas provided outside of the Secure Area, at least in Austin. I'd appreciate confirmation of this if anyone else knows. I couldn't find anything, but the first day is just a morning session so I'm sure we can figure it out then. Also...
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What to do with firms that pre-selected you at old school  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 4:13:24 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hi all, I was accepted to a CCN as a transfer rather late and the OCI schedule at my old school has already come out. Our process is a mix of pre-selects and lottery and I noticed that I got some firms I put towards the bottom of my list (thought I might not get them due to small # of slots available). While I don't know for sure, I think I was very likely pre-selected and would very much like to ...
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Re: Columbia 2018 Transfer Thread  
  by: sourbritecrawlers3   on: July 20, at 4:08:09 pm   in: Transfers
Any movements today? And to those who have been accepted, what time do you get the call/email?
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: a male human   on: July 20, at 3:57:36 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

barprepforca wrote:Just got an email from the CA Bar that said that the new MacBooks, purchased as of July 12 of this year will not be eligible for Examplify. I would be so furious if this happened to me, and thankful I have an older version.
That is some grade-A bullshit they're pulling this late.

Well, I always knew Windows was best (and my laptop is still the one I got for law school in 2010), but still...
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Re: Which SF firm should I go to?  
  by: gaddockteeg   on: July 20, at 3:57:08 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Anon SF litigator from above. My guess is NY/DC reputation. I've never heard reference to, nor seen on any of my cases, Kobre & Kim.

Sorry to side track, but what do you know/think about Jones Day SF for litigation?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: dabigchina   on: July 20, at 3:54:45 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
CA folks: I just did the Community Property essay involving stock options and the model answer spends a full page applying the "Hug formula" and the "Nelson formula." These were definitely not in the lectures and I have never seen them before, which is freaking me out. What formulas have you all memorized? Want to make sure I'm not missing anything important. I have only memor...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: barprepforca   on: July 20, at 3:54:30 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Just got an email from the CA Bar that said that the new MacBooks, purchased as of July 12 of this year will not be eligible for Examplify. I would be so furious if this happened to me, and thankful I have an older version.
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Re: Which SF firm should I go to?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 3:53:51 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:I have a friend at K&S, she loves the firm. You should add them to your "check them out" list.

Thnaks. What's K&S? King and Spalding?
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Re: Gifts?  
  by: thecatgoesmeow   on: July 20, at 3:32:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
Maybe this was just my experience, but I was very close to my mentor (literally checked in with me every day, organized lunches for me to meet partners, etc.) so I definitely wanted to get him a gift. I understand this isn't a normal dynamic at a lot of big firms, but I made him like a basket of baked things, wine, and a gift card (not for very much) just to show my appreciation. For another assoc...
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: SomewhatLearnedHand   on: July 20, at 3:31:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
Laugh out loud funny that 95% of the straight up incorrect advice in this thread came from a fuckin 0L and 1L. No wonder they were using anon.
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Re: Do most Biglaw firms ask laterals for references?  
  by: gregfootball2001   on: July 20, at 3:26:24 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’m in a weird spot. I haven’t been at my current employer for long (maybe 9 months). I went from a biglaw HQ to a satellite and I regret it. I also left my previous firm on not the best terms. I have 5 or so callbacks in August at v50 firms and I’m wondering if I’m going to have to search for references. YES I know that for an SA position, they didn’t care. But do they care at the lateral stage?...
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Re: Camel / tan colored Suit for OCI?  
  by: totesTheGoat   on: July 20, at 3:21:29 pm   in: Legal Employment
You know what's really fun? Spending 20 minutes outing anon abusers in a 5 page long thread. Now that I'm annoyed after wasting my Friday afternoon cleaning up this crap, I'm in a banning mood. 3 day vacation for any future anon abuse in this thread. Anon function is for when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. The only anons I left intact in this thr...
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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 3:15:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
I’ve heard this more than once; K&S is pretty much a boy’s club. They’re not nearly as female friendly as other ATL firms when it comes to case distribution, advancement to senior associate and especially partnership. At least not K&S Atlanta. What say you? I've heard that things have gotten better since K&S's wet t-shirt contest days, but they still have a long way to go. Even though...
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Re: Should I lateral?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 3:09:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
You should anonymously send this information to Above the Law. They would love a story about a firm that "matched" but isn't raising current associate salaries in lockstep. A number of firms announced they'd be doing something like this. It's not really news if it's one of those firms. OP: I'd lateral. That's some bullshit and doesn't bode well for you long term. It doesn't make any sen...
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Re: Do most Biglaw firms ask laterals for references?  
  by: lawhopeful100   on: July 20, at 3:03:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
When I lateralled they asked for references after I accepted my offer. They did actually call the references too, but they essentially just checked that I worked at my old firm and that I wasn’t fired or something. Wouldn't something like this come up in a background check though? (if you were fired) I guess. No idea honestly. I just know that during the period of having accepted my offer and put...
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Re: On CBX essays, how much time allocated to outlining vs. actual writing?  
  by: a male human   on: July 20, at 2:57:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
If you have set up your outline correctly, with issues and sub-issues identified and rules set out (shorthand or whatever), the rest should just be plug and chug. This outlining step is relatively short (15 minutes max), but it's where most of the thinking goes.

How's your typing speed?
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: BlueLaw11   on: July 20, at 2:55:24 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
CA folks: I just did the Community Property essay involving stock options and the model answer spends a full page applying the "Hug formula" and the "Nelson formula." These were definitely not in the lectures and I have never seen them before, which is freaking me out. What formulas have you all memorized? Want to make sure I'm not missing anything important. I have only memori...
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Re: 2018 July California Bar  
  by: BlueLaw11   on: July 20, at 2:52:51 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

a male human wrote:Speaking of pencils, I brought slightly pre-DULLED pencils for the MBE because it makes bubbling easier.

That's a good suggestion, thanks!
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: unsweetened   on: July 20, at 2:51:36 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
fyi mixed set 17 is the same for everyone, if people want to compare themselves some more I thought it was more difficult than usual while doing it, but I came out with the same score that I have been testing at the past few mixed sets and same score as the simulated MBE Practice Test 3. I didn't think it was more or less difficult, but I definitely had some facepalm moments when I went back thro...
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Re: Should I lateral?  
  by: jjcorvino   on: July 20, at 2:51:24 pm   in: Legal Employment
You should anonymously send this information to Above the Law. They would love a story about a firm that "matched" but isn't raising current associate salaries in lockstep.
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Re: July 2018 Texas Bar Exam  
  by: Big Red   on: July 20, at 2:42:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone know what we do with all our stuff we're not allowed to bring into the "Secure Area"? I.e. lunch, etc. I read somewhere that there are storage areas provided outside of the Secure Area, at least in Austin. I'd appreciate confirmation of this if anyone else knows. I couldn't find anything, but the first day is just a morning session so I'm sure we can figure it out then. Also...
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Re: Lavender Law for Recent Graduates  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 2:42:47 pm   in: Legal Employment
Recent grad (May 2018), I'm bottom 20% (had a brain tumor in law school, found out my 3L year, all better now...probably not going to disclose that to recruiters ever) at a T25 with a couple of Fortune 500s that I summer'd at. I'm a great interviewer and hard worker despite my grades (my recommenders can attest to this!)...bold of me to ask but are interview skills, writing sample and great recom...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Findedeux   on: July 20, at 2:33:31 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is it just me or do the mixed sets generally feel much easier than did the practice tests? Maybe I just haven't gotten far enough on the mixed sets (only on 7), but I'm concerned I might be getting a skewed idea of how prepared I am based on my higher than average scores. I also finish with like 10+ minutes remaining, which never happened on any of the exams. Also the levels of difficulty that sh...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: fuuuuuuuuuu   on: July 20, at 2:32:19 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I feel the same way. I score 10%+ on the mixed sets than the practice tests. I typically finish the mixed sets with 30 minutes remaining. Is it just me or do the mixed sets generally feel much easier than did the practice tests? Maybe I just haven't gotten far enough on the mixed sets (only on 7), but I'm concerned I might be getting a skewed idea of how prepared I am based on my higher than avera...
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Re: UC Davis Law c/o 2021 Applicants (2017-2018)  
  by: sambam   on: July 20, at 2:30:20 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

Nooloo wrote:Did you guys receive the reconfirmation email? I reconfirmed.

Yes! Reconfirmed. Lets hope we hear something definitive next week!
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: dlrkgml   on: July 20, at 2:25:09 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is it just me or do the mixed sets generally feel much easier than did the practice tests? Maybe I just haven't gotten far enough on the mixed sets (only on 7), but I'm concerned I might be getting a skewed idea of how prepared I am based on my higher than average scores. I also finish with like 10+ minutes remaining, which never happened on any of the exams. Also the levels of difficulty that sho...
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Re: Harvard EIP 2018  
  by: Anonymous User   on: July 20, at 2:15:42 pm   in: Legal Employment
Do people typically omit the part of the transcript that includes next year's (tentative) courses? When I download as a PDF from Helios it displays both 1L and 2L years, but I can obviously just print the first page. Also curious about this. If you need to print both pages, does that mean that your 2L course choices might theoretically impact your chances at the screener? On the other hand, the f...
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: Pajsa18   on: July 20, at 2:10:48 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is everyone studying all MEE subjects or just the ones recommending by JD advising? It's just so much info. It goes without saying that it's impossible to predict. But I will say this : the gain derived from studying all subjects (even if it's an information overload) is greater than the gain derived from excluding some subjects in order to strengthen others. Or in other words : the detriment tha...
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Re: UC Davis Law c/o 2021 Applicants (2017-2018)  
  by: Nooloo   on: July 20, at 2:10:20 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Did you guys receive the reconfirmation email? I reconfirmed.
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Re: Positivity Thread  
  by: nthp   on: July 20, at 2:04:34 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

L_William_W wrote:You won't have enough time to write entire essays. However, you should write bullet points of the pertinent issues, rules, definitions, and brief legal analysis. Drill this into your head. Drink a lot of coffee this weekend and prepare for a 12 hour study session.


Thank you for your response. That's sound advice. I'll take it.
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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION  
  by: LawIsLyfe33   on: July 20, at 1:59:45 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

jawaharlaw nehru wrote:fyi mixed set 17 is the same for everyone, if people want to compare themselves some more

I thought it was more difficult than usual while doing it, but I came out with the same score that I have been testing at the past few mixed sets and same score as the simulated MBE Practice Test 3.
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