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Re: Sticky Request: Tanicius's Guide for Bullshitting Essay Topics  
  by: Nonconsecutive   on: September 24, at 4:09:40 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Just wanted to say that I printed all these out and reviewed them in the last few days before the MEE, and I had really not done much in the way of MEE preparation. Sure I'd listened to the lectures and crap, but I had done maybe like 6-8 practice essays at most. I ended up doing fine on the MEE and passed the bar, so these guides are highly credited on my end. Didn't really concern myself over an...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=249162

Re: When is it warranted to write gpa addendum?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 24, at 4:09:28 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum

RSolano wrote:Downward trend total of 0.3 difference between freshma and senior due to working increased hours... STEM major. Thank you!

That's certainly a big enough drop, but if the excuse is still "working more hours," it's not going to be that effective.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=281961

Re: Top plaintiffs' firms salary and bonuses?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 4:09:13 pm   in: Legal Employment
I work at a smaller Plaintiff's firm, but my base is $125k with a bonus of around $100k to $150k (but certainly depends on the year). I think our non-equity partners make about $300k (basically some type of base salary with a "bonus" or some type of distribution). The Equity partners clear 7 figures pretty regularly. OP here. This is helpful, thanks. From your post history, seems like y...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281981

Re: When is it warranted to write gpa addendum?  
  by: Platopus   on: September 24, at 4:08:54 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum

RSolano wrote:Thanks guys! When would it be suggested? What about a 3.8 to a 3.0?

It's not just the size of the drop that matters. There needs to be a compelling reason for a drop.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=281961

Re: BarBri online vs on site?  
  by: A. Nony Mouse   on: September 24, at 4:07:40 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Close friend bought Barbri this summer because of the in-person classes. Turns out, they wheeled a 20 year old tv into the classroom and watched the same lecture you could watch at home. She was pissed and was very angry about the extra cost when it was pointless. Pretty sure the "on site" video thing is the same price as the streaming service. I mean extra cost as paying a f*^&ton ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281995

Re: BarBri online vs on site?  
  by: sparkytrainer   on: September 24, at 4:04:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Close friend bought Barbri this summer because of the in-person classes. Turns out, they wheeled a 20 year old tv into the classroom and watched the same lecture you could watch at home. She was pissed and was very angry about the extra cost when it was pointless. Pretty sure the "on site" video thing is the same price as the streaming service. I mean extra cost as paying a f*^&ton ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281995

Re: BarBri online vs on site?  
  by: cricketlove00   on: September 24, at 4:01:50 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

sparkytrainer wrote:Close friend bought Barbri this summer because of the in-person classes. Turns out, they wheeled a 20 year old tv into the classroom and watched the same lecture you could watch at home.

She was pissed and was very angry about the extra cost when it was pointless.

Pretty sure the "on site" video thing is the same price as the streaming service.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281995

Other sites like Cali?  
  by: zilladilla   on: September 24, at 3:59:07 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Title says it. I like how Cali lets you go into a specific unit from each of the core 1l classes and gives you a hypothetical with multiple choice like questions and follows with explanations/right and wrong answers. Are there any other sites like this? I've looked into Lexis and Westlaw but have not found anything there. Thanks in advance.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=281998

Re: When is it warranted to write gpa addendum?  
  by: RSolano   on: September 24, at 3:57:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thanks guys! When would it be suggested? What about a 3.8 to a 3.0?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=281961

Incoming prosecutor  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 3:57:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
Along the lines of the incoming litigation/corporate associate threads, I wanted to ask any prosecutors who might be reading this forum if they would be willing to share words of wisdom for those starting as incoming prosecutors this fall. Thanks in advance for any tips.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281997

Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 3:53:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
I had two pre-OCI offers so during actual OCI I only bid 8. 8 screeners, 4 callbacks, 3 offers. Lower T-14, top 25% (school doesn't rank), Law Review.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281993

Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: A. Nony Mouse   on: September 24, at 3:52:02 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Go on ebay and see how much people are selling books for. I've usually seen $200-300 - which is why I think the bar courses set the refund as they do; they know that's the amount they're generally competing with to get the books back.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281963

Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: RCSOB657   on: September 24, at 3:50:00 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Kaplan will refund 250 if you give them back their books. Don't know if I could get more selling them. Anyone ever try?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281963

Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: A. Nony Mouse   on: September 24, at 3:47:21 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
It seems like the general consensus is Themis because it is cheaper. If we're able to get a full reimbursement (no stipend considerations), does that answer change? I'm drawn to how Themis uses 20 minute videos over 4 hour ones, but feel nervous not going with the trusted product. For context, I work best when lessons are structured, and I really appreciate being able to have physical books, rath...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281963

Re: Starting Fresh?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 3:28:25 pm   in: Legal Employment
OP. Would it be best to speak to the partners in question, or just try to modify behaviors and hope the message gets spread? And if the former, what could I say? I'm thinking addressing the issue with the partners would be best...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281985

JD/MBA scholarships  
  by: YinFireHare   on: September 24, at 3:24:57 pm   in: Law School FAQ
It looks like scholarships aren't as great for JD-MBA programs? Like, for example, I was going to do JD ED at NU which is almost a full ride....for JD-MBA though, they don't even require LSAT scores and the app goes entirely through Kellogg.

Any other schools worth looking at?

I want to get a close to full ride for JD and do a 1 year MBA.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=281996

Re: BarBri online vs on site?  
  by: sparkytrainer   on: September 24, at 3:23:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Close friend bought Barbri this summer because of the in-person classes. Turns out, they wheeled a 20 year old tv into the classroom and watched the same lecture you could watch at home.

She was pissed and was very angry about the extra cost when it was pointless.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281995

Re: Bk clerkship > D.Ct. or COA clerkship?  
  by: donkeyteeth2017   on: September 24, at 3:19:05 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
This doesn't mean that this happens all the time, but I know four bankruptcy clerks, and one of them did this. One did not have the credentials to do a COA clerkship, but got one (midwest circuit) after her clerkship. The other has amazing creds (coif from top 10 school) but just clerked for the bankruptcy court because he wanted bankruptcy. Like some have said, a bankruptcy clerkship is for peop...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=281882

Re: Bk clerkship > D.Ct. or COA clerkship?  
  by: radio1nowhere   on: September 24, at 3:12:04 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Luv threads where people ask questions and then jump to criticize answers they don't like
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=281882

Re: Does it look bad if I don't write why x essay but write only diversity statement?  
  by: YinFireHare   on: September 24, at 3:09:19 pm   in: Law School Personal Statements
can someone please define what YP means. so far I keep thinking "why pee"? "Yield Protection". It's when a school waitlists an applicant who would otherwise look like an auto-admit because the applicant didn't show enough interest in the school. It's been observed at a number of lower-T13 schools with applicants who likely have the numbers to get admitted to HYS/decent money a...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=281893

Re: Top plaintiffs' firms salary and bonuses?  
  by: kings84_wr   on: September 24, at 3:06:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
I work at a smaller Plaintiff's firm, but my base is $125k with a bonus of around $100k to $150k (but certainly depends on the year). I think our non-equity partners make about $300k (basically some type of base salary with a "bonus" or some type of distribution). The Equity partners clear 7 figures pretty regularly. OP here. This is helpful, thanks. From your post history, seems like y...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281981

Re: Incoming capital markets associates  
  by: deepseapartners   on: September 24, at 2:54:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
as someone curious about getting into capital markets, do you need a background in finance, accounting, or some other business-related degree to enter the field? all i have is a basic understanding of capital markets from the few classes i took in undergrad and law school No, you will learn what you need to learn on the job. It might be good to learn how to read financial statements now, so that ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281975

Re: Switching Firm + Practice + Region after First Year  
  by: deepseapartners   on: September 24, at 2:51:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Go clerk for a year. You'll take a bit of a salary hit but it's a clear indication of your serious intent to become a litigator, and you'll likely have an easier time finding an opening fresh out of a clerkship than otherwise. If clerking isn't an option, I would start reaching out to friends at NYC firms and gauging how busy their lit departments are, if they are looking for lateral candidates, e...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281994

Re: Berkeley Law c/o 2021 Applicants (2017-2018)  
  by: AlPastor   on: September 24, at 2:49:43 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
For the Berkeley 1Ls and others who have submitted, did you use a longer version of your Personal Statement than the one you submitted for other schools? I'm almost ready to submit but I'm having trouble deciding how much I should extend mine given the extra breathing room (or if I should at all)
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=281699

BarBri online vs on site?  
  by: supersplittysplitter   on: September 24, at 2:29:28 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Is there any difference between taking BarBri online as opposed to going to a live location? I hear in most cases even when you go in person you are still watching a recording of a lecture, so is there any value whatsoever to showing up in person? I think there have been some old threads on this but I was hoping to get some feedback from people who have done the course in the last year or so.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281995

Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: RareExports   on: September 24, at 2:12:05 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Does anyone have information on price variation over the course of the year? Both Themis and Barbri are saying that their September prices are the lowest they will be all year, but I remember reading somewhere that sometimes prices drop in the spring. Is that true? And if so, how significant of a price drop is it? I am risk averse and don't want to take on a risk of a $500 increase in October with...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281963

Re: Northwestern Pritzker - Class of 2020  
  by: BruiseWillis   on: September 24, at 2:02:57 pm   in: TLS Class of 2020 Forum

carsondalywashere wrote:Can anyone verify these Dean Obama rumors?
where are you hearing these rumors?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=274108

Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: BlueLaw11   on: September 24, at 1:55:56 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
It seems like the general consensus is Themis because it is cheaper. If we're able to get a full reimbursement (no stipend considerations), does that answer change? I'm drawn to how Themis uses 20 minute videos over 4 hour ones, but feel nervous not going with the trusted product. For context, I work best when lessons are structured, and I really appreciate being able to have physical books, rathe...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=281963

Re: 3L OCI 2017  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 1:45:43 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Skadden NY gave an offer today to a friend.
Practice group?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=279385

Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar  
  by: Nebby   on: September 24, at 1:33:32 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone think results could be released today? #hopeful My best educated guess is NEXT Friday, the 29th. Just going through some historical trends and I certainly cannot promise anything. I'm thinking the exact same. I remember them saying in the forum that it would be the end of September. its surreal that this is our last week of waiting to hear our fates :shock: I am thrilled the end is nigh - ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=277963

Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar  
  by: uhhuhjulia   on: September 24, at 1:26:44 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone think results could be released today? #hopeful My best educated guess is NEXT Friday, the 29th. Just going through some historical trends and I certainly cannot promise anything. I'm thinking the exact same. I remember them saying in the forum that it would be the end of September. its surreal that this is our last week of waiting to hear our fates :shock: I am thrilled the end is nigh - ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=277963

Switching Firm + Practice + Region after First Year  
  by: lurking4Lyfe   on: September 24, at 1:22:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just finished my first year in a general corporate practice at biglaw firm XYZ in major market ABC. For personal and professional reasons I want to lateral to New York City to a different firm and do either general litigation, white collar or labor and employment. I went to HYS, but don't have great grades. Any insight into how to land a gig seeing as I am not barred in New York and have no litiga...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281994

Re: TLS c/o 2021 Applicants Thread  
  by: InterLaw   on: September 24, at 1:10:14 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
8 apps just sent, 5 to go. Anxiety level just doubled...
Finger crossed!
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=279406

Re: Northwestern Pritzker - Class of 2020  
  by: carsondalywashere   on: September 24, at 1:03:49 pm   in: TLS Class of 2020 Forum
Can anyone verify these Dean Obama rumors?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=274108

Re: Starting Fresh?  
  by: tyroneslothrop1   on: September 24, at 12:59:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not much you can do other than put your head down and work. I would make an effort to address any errors in a matter of fact tone and then move on. You don't need to grovel and, in my view, people will think less of you if you do so.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281985

Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar  
  by: ndbigdave   on: September 24, at 12:47:42 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone think results could be released today? #hopeful My best educated guess is NEXT Friday, the 29th. Just going through some historical trends and I certainly cannot promise anything. I'm thinking the exact same. I remember them saying in the forum that it would be the end of September. its surreal that this is our last week of waiting to hear our fates :shock: I am thrilled the end is nigh - ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=277963

Re: 3L OCI 2017  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 12:31:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
Skadden NY gave an offer today to a friend.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=279385

Re: People w/ UBE results- Seperac's 2016 UBE Score Calculator  
  by: Brian_Wildcat   on: September 24, at 12:06:06 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

unlvcrjchick wrote:
Brian_Wildcat wrote:Not even close for me.

Estimated MBE: 152
Estimated UBE: 329

Actual MBE: 166.9
Actual UBE: 329

Well, it was spot-on for the UBE score.

Oops. The estimated should have been 299.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=269326

Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 11:53:45 am   in: Legal Employment
25 screeners/9 CBs/6 CBs accepted/2 offers. Somewhat above median at HLS at the time (6H 4P), but I was interviewing in CA in 2011 and I am not a good interviewer.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281993

Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 11:53:05 am   in: Legal Employment
Just below median at PDV. Bid dc and NYC. 40+ screeners, 12 cbs, 1 offer (from pre-oci).
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281993

Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: malibustacy   on: September 24, at 11:49:09 am   in: Legal Employment
You know... it really varies wildly based on personality, looks, and interview skills. Also, race, gender, and perceived socio-economic status still play as factors. I've seen situations where two people with similar grades have very different results. With similar grades, one struck out while another got around 10 offers. No need to really feel good or bad based on such metrics, if you have a job...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281993

Re: People w/ UBE results- Seperac's 2016 UBE Score Calculator  
  by: hockeyman969   on: September 24, at 11:49:08 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

throwawayname1 wrote:I'll bite.

Took the test in Alabama- UBE state.

When I input my numbers, the calculator gives me a UBE score of 308. My actual UBE score was a 320.

Welcome to the 320 club lol.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=269326

Re: Bar exam hangout thread for people who will probably fail.  
  by: hockeyman969   on: September 24, at 11:47:10 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

crumb cake wrote:MBE mean is over 141, up from last year.

Yup, my score increased from last year to this year. If I go to a score transfer bar jurisdiction...I am taking my higher autopass score from this year.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=280111

Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges  
  by: t.rex   on: September 24, at 11:40:30 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Anyone have a Speta admin outline they can send my way?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=142200

Re: People w/ UBE results- Seperac's 2016 UBE Score Calculator  
  by: Nonconsecutive   on: September 24, at 11:32:14 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I remember it predicted my MBE exactly, I'll have to recheck the total score.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=269326

Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 11:27:27 am   in: Legal Employment
I was told going in that about 30% conversion rate from screener to CB and around 50% conversion from CB to Offer was "doing great."

For me, I had 29 screeners, 8 CB, 4 Offers. Bottom 1/3 at MVP. I think anecdata is as close as you'll get to answering this -- especially given all the variables.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281993

Re: Advice from law to Computer engineering  
  by: makingthemove   on: September 24, at 11:26:20 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
But with zero background in programming and higher math, I'm not sure if I can make it and stand out among the candidates vying for a job. I have to weigh lots of aspects. (Is it worth the effort? even simply for immigration) I think you're trying to solve a two-goal problem here. You want to move from law to programming AND you want to immigrate and the solution is doing both. Your friends know ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=281773

Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 11:17:38 am   in: Legal Employment
FWIW, I was probably bottom 10-20% at CCN. I bid accordingly (very few reaches) and had roughly a 50% success rate at each stage. So 50% of my screeners resulted in CBs and 50% of those resulted in offers. I have a few yrs of irrelevant work experience and decent interview skills.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281993

Re: Credentials for 2/9/DC  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 11:12:39 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
At Y top 1/3 + LR would put you in the running for all but feeders on the 2nd/9th, and perhaps even feeders depending on your political party / URM (assuming that would be 3Hs/1P). I imagine that Stanford would be similar, with the 2nd slightly easier than the 9th. At YLS DC circuit would likely be tough with those statistics, depending on the class in which you got a P in. No idea about HLS. Cav...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=281902

Re: Personal Finance 101 for Young Lawyers  
  by: foundingfather   on: September 24, at 11:01:16 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone here use TD Ameritrade? Thinking about switching to them. I just opened an account there... I'm the wrong person to talk to though re: finances eta: what are you opening it for? it's (apparently) really great for long term investing but shitty for checking/everyday use. (overheard in the office - not sure if this is tcr) Investment accounts - looking for a new place to have my brokera...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=272809

Re: Top plaintiffs' firms salary and bonuses?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 11:00:48 am   in: Legal Employment
I work at a smaller Plaintiff's firm, but my base is $125k with a bonus of around $100k to $150k (but certainly depends on the year). I think our non-equity partners make about $300k (basically some type of base salary with a "bonus" or some type of distribution). The Equity partners clear 7 figures pretty regularly. OP here. This is helpful, thanks. From your post history, seems like y...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281981

Re: Mass emailing: subject for email  
  by: cron1834   on: September 24, at 10:55:34 am   in: Legal Employment
If you go to a T14 or another well-regarded law school, I'd consider adding your school to the subject line: "[T14] 2L - 2018 Summer Associate Application" My thought was that it would catch the recruiter's eye and get my application reviewed sooner since they don't have to sift through my materials to see that I go to a good school . One of my friends even put his GPA in the subject li...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281983

Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: cron1834   on: September 24, at 10:54:01 am   in: Legal Employment
Agreed. It completely varies based on so many variables. For example, I (CCN top 3%) went 27 Screeners 18 Callbacks 9 offers But I targetted the elite DC firms My friend (CCN top 40%) 28 screeners 20 callbacks 15 offers But he targetted the big class NYC firms. If you really want to know, you can see from OCS how many screeners/callbacks the specific firms you bid on did. If your average firm gav...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281993

Re: Notre Dame Law School c/o 2021 Applicants (2017-18)  
  by: magic   on: September 24, at 10:41:22 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Checking in! Still working on the app but I hope to send mine in by mid-October. Checking in! Are people writing both a "Why ND" essay and a "Different Kind of Lawyer" essay? I planned on writing Why X for most top schools I apply to but I don't want to inundate them with essays if the Why X isn't that necessary. I am writing a "Why NDLS" statement, not sure about the...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=281895

Re: CCN --> IBanking/Consulting  
  by: mathis1490   on: September 24, at 10:17:16 am   in: Legal Employment
Op here. For one, I went to a T15 undergrad that routinely sends people to Goldman, Lazard, MS and the like. Second, how does the job itself compare. After CCN, wouldn't I start as an associate? Is it more enjoyable and fulfilling work? You're not getting into Investment Banking with OCI strikeout grades at CCN and no connections. It's time to be realistic here. I missed the part where OP struck ...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=281939

Re: Bk clerkship > D.Ct. or COA clerkship?  
  by: donkeyteeth2017   on: September 24, at 10:07:52 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
This is also just tautologically false. By definition, only those with the credentials for a District Court clerkship get one. Only those with the credentials get a clerkship, but not all those with the credentials get a clerkship. Also, “tautologically false” is just not a thing. Good catch. My logic was imprecise. Let me rephrase-- if you don't get a district court clerkship, by definition, you...
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Re: Bar exam hangout thread for people who will probably fail.  
  by: crumb cake   on: September 24, at 10:03:25 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
MBE mean is over 141, up from last year.
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Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 10:01:44 am   in: Legal Employment
Agreed. It completely varies based on so many variables. For example, I (CCN top 3%) went 27 Screeners 18 Callbacks 9 offers But I targetted the elite DC firms My friend (CCN top 40%) 28 screeners 20 callbacks 15 offers But he targetted the big class NYC firms. If you really want to know, you can see from OCS how many screeners/callbacks the specific firms you bid on did. If your average firm gave...
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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions  
  by: RareExports   on: September 24, at 9:50:42 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
For those of you who went to WUSTL with $$$$ over T14 schools with sticker (super splitters like me), do you regret your choice? How hard is it to leave St Louis and move to NYC/DC PI? Wash U students regularly do NYC/DC PI (and non-PI) work, but it's not guaranteed. You'll need some sort of narrative/explanation for why you chose to go to law school in the midwest but want to work in NYC/DC and ...
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: hockeyman969   on: September 24, at 9:35:21 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Thanks for the feedback so far from everyone. Definitely very helpful. I wanted more structure than themis, but didn't think barbri was in my price range. Kaplan it is. Can you elaborate here on what you mean by more structure? I thought I had read that Themis was the one that gives you daily schedules of stuff to do, but maybe I'm confusing that with another one. I also see very few Kaplan menti...
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: hockeyman969   on: September 24, at 9:29:42 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

lavarman84 wrote:Just do Themis online. It's cheaper. You get to pocket more money. It prepares you just as well as Barbri (or close enough considering the cost). And I don't know many who did Kaplan.

I did Kaplan for UBE and Florida and passed both with wide margins.
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: hockeyman969   on: September 24, at 9:28:48 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
3L here realizing I probably should stop procrastinating and actually figure out bar prep. I've totally ignored the companies tabling at my school and sending me emails until now, but I guess they all raise their prices at the end of the month, so I should probably start looking at my options, much as it pains me to do. Is there some guide or conventional wisdom on advantages/disadvantages of the...
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Re: 2017 Texas OCI (UT/SMU/Baylor/UH + Others)  
  by: Right2BearArms   on: September 24, at 9:12:02 am   in: Legal Employment
Did anyone ever screener or CB with baker donelson? I heard absolutely nothing after my screener, assuming that it is a rejection. Just curious. Baker Donelson has an office in Texas? I know that is not helpful. To answer your question, if it has been more than 2 weeks after a screener, its almost certainly a ding. Probable that the non-call back matters got forgotten due to the storm, or it was ...
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Re: Top plaintiffs' firms salary and bonuses?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 8:59:57 am   in: Legal Employment
I work at a smaller Plaintiff's firm, but my base is $125k with a bonus of around $100k to $150k (but certainly depends on the year). I think our non-equity partners make about $300k (basically some type of base salary with a "bonus" or some type of distribution). The Equity partners clear 7 figures pretty regularly. OP here. This is helpful, thanks. From your post history, seems like y...
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Re: PASSERS!!!- What are you thankful for now that you have passed the bar exam???  
  by: hockeyman969   on: September 24, at 8:56:49 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Post clerkship offer, NY based but they want me to take Calbar. They need to put up at least an additional 40k, pay me to exclusively study, and bennies haha.

I'm tilting to 2 words f*** no.

Not taking a bar 3 years in a row, not happening unless there is $$$$$$$$$$ involved.
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Re: OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: September 24, at 8:55:02 am   in: Legal Employment
I think it's largely a pointless question. Your CSO probably has this information broken down by GPA bands, but those numbers are really variable. I know top students in my class who ended up with relatively low screener-to-callback ratios (for their GPA tier) but had a stellar callback-to-offer rate. So much of this hinges on your specific school, GPA, journal, work experience, interview skills, ...
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OCI Screener - CB - Offer rate?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 8:36:17 am   in: Legal Employment
I was talking with a non law school friend last night about OCI and my experience, and she asked me if my callback/offer number was low or high, and I actually didn't know. I feel like that's obnoxious to ask classmates, specoficallly because I'm a transfer and don't know anyone very well, but I'm genuinely curious to know screener/CB/offer rates at T14. Add in gpa, class rank, past experience, pr...
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Re: Is it bad to talk about public interest in the PS for Northwestern?  
  by: KPUSN07   on: September 24, at 8:35:03 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
How much does the interview bolster the candidacy? I'm doing an interview, but with an alum....
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Re: Advice from law to Computer engineering  
  by: pancakes3   on: September 24, at 7:49:40 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
to be clear, you're not American, not working in the US and need immigration sponsoring?
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Re: UC Irvine c/o 2021 Applicants (2017-2018)  
  by: Rllesueur   on: September 24, at 7:46:57 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Hi all! Checking in! I applied a couple weeks ago. LSAC says transmitted. Never recieved an email letting me know i was complete with a status checker or any email for that matter. I called the school and they said they are "sorting though stuff" and to call back next week... i didnt give them my name or anything. I just asked in general. Anyone apply and recieve an email letting you kno...
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Re: Advice from law to Computer engineering  
  by: martindu   on: September 24, at 7:28:02 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Hi, I'm thinking of switching from law to computer engineering. I have been in law practice for some time, but I don't seem to enjoy the nature of the work. It seems to me Tech industry is more interesting and creative. But maybe it's the "grass is greener on the other side" mentality that comes into play. Could anyone kindly give your observations or judgement, on the profession or the...
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Re: UC Irvine c/o 2021 Applicants (2017-2018)  
  by: AaronCarter   on: September 24, at 7:24:07 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Does anyone know how good they are with $$ ?
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Re: What is your approach to case reading?  
  by: pancakes3   on: September 24, at 6:58:40 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
tlj;dr

you're probably fine for 1L exam-taking purposes but you not honing the ability to read cases quickly and efficiently could work against you later on in situations outside of taking 1L exams.
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Re: Incoming capital markets associates  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 24, at 6:31:30 am   in: Legal Employment
as someone curious about getting into capital markets, do you need a background in finance, accounting, or some other business-related degree to enter the field? all i have is a basic understanding of capital markets from the few classes i took in undergrad and law school
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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group  
  by: Haburo   on: September 24, at 6:06:37 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Starting back tomorrow! Exciting.
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Re: CDCal/NDCal Clerk Taking Questions  
  by: hlsperson1111   on: September 24, at 4:47:08 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
is it true that certain clerkships on NDCal/CDCal are "less valuable" because of the reputation of the judge- I'm thinking here of Real, Wilson, Anderson? or would you recommend just blanketing both courts and not worrying about that? I practice in LA. Clerking for Real would be a net negative. Clerking for Anderson would raise some eyebrows, but it would probably still be a net positiv...
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Re: People w/ UBE results- Seperac's 2016 UBE Score Calculator  
  by: unlvcrjchick   on: September 24, at 2:26:46 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

Brian_Wildcat wrote:Not even close for me.

Estimated MBE: 152
Estimated UBE: 329

Actual MBE: 166.9
Actual UBE: 329

Well, it was spot-on for the UBE score.
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Re: PASSERS!!!- What are you thankful for now that you have passed the bar exam??  
  by: unlvcrjchick   on: September 24, at 2:22:11 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Speaking of tickets...I received my first speeding ticket this past June, and I hated having to disclose it to the bar. The only other ticket I had received was 10 years earlier for a moving violation that got reduced to parking. I was worried about the speeding ticket, wondering if the C&F committee would wonder why I could go my entire driving life without a speeding ticket only now to get o...
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Re: The Official December 2017 Study Group  
  by: MercW07   on: September 24, at 12:19:19 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Any1 know of any threads that have the LG games grouped by type or difficulty This is literally exactly what I came to this thread to ask today. Seconded: anyone know of any threads that have the LG games grouped by type? Just finished the sequencing games chapter of the LG Bible, and I'd benefit from jumping into drilling a few sequencing games before moving onto the next chapter. Everything you...
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Re: What is your approach to case reading?  
  by: do_me_a_favor   on: September 24, at 12:17:29 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
you're going to want to check out the case in your casebook, aka the assigned reading. you need to do this because the case is sometimes edited to include only some parts of the opinion, and the brief you find on a commercial source may not exactly match that. you always want to verify that the commercial stuff you're using is what your professor is teaching---this is the case 80% of the time in m...
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: lavarman84   on: September 23, at 11:37:08 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I did Barbri and found it miserable and unengaging. The way it gauged progress made me feel like I was never doing enough. Unengaging because 4 hour lecture videos, which left me worn out, followed by a long evaluation on the subject. I studied with some Themis people and they seemed much less miserable. I got the impression they had 20 minute videos on discrete topics, followed by exercises on t...
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: lavarman84   on: September 23, at 11:31:45 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Just do Themis online. It's cheaper. You get to pocket more money. It prepares you just as well as Barbri (or close enough considering the cost). And I don't know many who did Kaplan.
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Re: Top plaintiffs' firms salary and bonuses?  
  by: kings84_wr   on: September 23, at 10:48:01 pm   in: Legal Employment
I work at a smaller Plaintiff's firm, but my base is $125k with a bonus of around $100k to $150k (but certainly depends on the year). I think our non-equity partners make about $300k (basically some type of base salary with a "bonus" or some type of distribution). The Equity partners clear 7 figures pretty regularly.
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Re: Post-Clerkship/Lateral Search Advice?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 23, at 10:44:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
I also don't know exactly what the biglaw cycle looks like for laterals/clerks — are you hitting this at the wrong time? OP here. It's possible there aren't many openings now because associates are waiting until January to collect their bonuses before leaving their firms. Also possible that recruiting departments are still busy with OCI and aren't dealing with lateral searches expeditiously right...
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: Ohiobumpkin   on: September 23, at 10:43:53 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I did Themis, and a lot of my friends did Barbri and Themis. From what I know and have heard from others, Themis is better for self study types, because they give you a lot of flexibility with pacing and every lecture is recorded. Barbri is more structured and has in-person classes. Either way, you will study a lot, and usually think that you haven't studied enough at the end of each day. If you ...
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Re: Credentials for 2/9/DC  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 23, at 10:38:40 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
At Y top 1/3 + LR would put you in the running for all but feeders on the 2nd/9th, and perhaps even feeders depending on your political party / URM (assuming that would be 3Hs/1P). I imagine that Stanford would be similar, with the 2nd slightly easier than the 9th. At YLS DC circuit would likely be tough with those statistics, depending on the class in which you got a P in. No idea about HLS. Cave...
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: sparkytrainer   on: September 23, at 10:11:20 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I did Themis, and a lot of my friends did Barbri and Themis. From what I know and have heard from others, Themis is better for self study types, because they give you a lot of flexibility with pacing and every lecture is recorded. Barbri is more structured and has in-person classes. Either way, you will study a lot, and usually think that you haven't studied enough at the end of each day. If you ...
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Re: Conventional wisdom on Barbri/Themis/Kaplan/others?  
  by: Ohiobumpkin   on: September 23, at 10:07:11 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I did Themis, and a lot of my friends did Barbri and Themis. From what I know and have heard from others, Themis is better for self study types, because they give you a lot of flexibility with pacing and every lecture is recorded. Barbri is more structured and has in-person classes. Either way, you will study a lot, and usually think that you haven't studied enough at the end of each day. If you g...
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Re: Is it bad to talk about public interest in the PS for Northwestern?  
  by: A. Nony Mouse   on: September 23, at 9:54:06 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
PI is never a bad strategy as long as you have the experiences to back it up. Law School Admissions Officers can spot a fake story a mile away. - Admissions Track I think maybe a better way to say this is "as long as you have the passion/dedication to back it up." I think the problem is if you write about PI because you think PI will make you look better/noble/high-minded and that's not...
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Re: Dive-bombing for Judges, September 2017 Waiter's Thread  
  by: littlewing67   on: September 23, at 9:46:30 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum

Mikey wrote:
littlewing67 wrote:Guys! Clueless801 just bought me my first pumpkin spice latte. I feel basic af but I also hate pumpkin and fall and cold weather, so wish me luck.

Edit: T'was amazing
I had my first one last fall and didn't like it tbh. Idk if i just legit don't like it or if the barista who made it is ass at making it

I didn't think it tasted like pumpkin tbh it just tasted like cinnamon and fall
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Re: Credentials for 2/9/DC  
  by: Anonymous User   on: September 23, at 9:37:56 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Those grades probably wouldn't cut it even for my Ninth Circuit District Court judge, absent truly exceptional letters of rec. Contrary to this, based on my experience with non-feeders on CA2 and CA9, if you're at HLS those credentials will at least put you in the ballpark. The key is networking. Especially if you're on law review, use contacts with older/graduated editors to get a sense of thing...
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