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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 11:53:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
People actually do get hired directly out of MLS programs; it’s not like legal academia where there’s an expectation of practice experience (if only a couple of years). The issue is more that there aren’t a lot of jobs. (Source: I know a bunch of librarians.)
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by: 2013   on: January 20, at 11:49:07 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think the next raise will induce firms to return to the traditional model of paying associates in NYC/DC more than associates in other offices. It never made sense anyway to pay associates in Houston the same as associates in NYC given the huge COL differential. It may also lead firms to experiment with raising certain practice groups and not others. I don't think patent prosecution, for exampl...
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Re: Let's talk about Atlanta!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 11:41:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Haven't heard much about Atlanta since Dec. What's up?
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Re: Mention wanting to work in state for LOCI (waitlisted)  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:35:51 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
You can mention it, but I doubt it'd move the needle if by "New York" you mean NYC, the largest legal market in North America. It's different if by "New York" you mean you have a specific interest in practicing upstate, and the school in question is located upstate. In that case a desire to work in, say, Buffalo or Albany would be helpful to note in a LOCI.
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:30:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think the next raise will induce firms to return to the traditional model of paying associates in NYC/DC more than associates in other offices. It never made sense anyway to pay associates in Houston the same as associates in NYC given the huge COL differential. It may also lead firms to experiment with raising certain practice groups and not others. I don't think patent prosecution, for example...
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Re: SECOND DEPARTMENT ADMISSION CHARACTER AND FITNESS  
  by:   on: January 20, at 11:26:25 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

m27 wrote:
123anitsirhC wrote:For the NY State Bar Application, do the Law-Related Employment Affirmations & the Affirmations of Good Moral Character need to be notarized??

Not anymore. The old ones had to, but the most recent version of the employment affirmation and moral character affirmation do not have to be notarized. However they do accept both.


THANK YOU!!
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Re: Should I follow up?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:22:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think a second follow-up indicating your continued interest is helpful, since it's been two weeks since you last heard from them. But I wouldn't follow up a third time after this (unless they expressly ask you to check in again).

Best of luck!
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:21:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
I think you should look at the number of law librarian jobs that come open each year compared to the number of graduates with law librarian degrees. As I understand, it's a pretty rough job market out there for them. On a related note, I'd recommend trying to talk to a few law librarians and asking them how they entered the field. (Preferably more junior librarians, as the field and its routes of...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 20, at 11:15:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'll have a open apartment in DC area (Bethesda, MD, 30 min. to downtown DC by Metro), open from Mid-May to end of August. New construction building (2015), 1 bedroom/1 bath, washer/dryer in unit, close to metro. Private message me if you're interested.

Already have housing arrangements in NYC where I'll be summering, so not looking for a swap, just a sublet.

PM me if interested.
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:14:20 pm   in: Transfers
Good grades at a mid-T14 are good enough to get a federal clerkship and biglaw. I'd only think of transferring if you'd be paying less at HYS. Otherwise the increased cost isn't worth whatever marginal gain in outcomes you'd get. I think this is TCR. Staying also means OP can deepen the relationships they've already developed with profs at their current school, instead of starting all over from g...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 11:09:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
You can’t count your internship experience. Also, a lot of jobs that are 1-3 years are usually looking for closer to 3 years. 5 months is realistically not enough experience to get an interview unless you have past experience pre-law school in that field or you have some other compelling reason for being a stellar candidate. The postings I have seen list 1 year as the requirement, not 1-3 years. ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 11:06:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
Unless you’re at a firm with a working summer, I doubt anyone will care or even notice; associates and partners have way more important things to worry about than where an SA was that one Friday and its ok to miss a summer event (many people with families skip most of them). Ask HR their thoughts to confirm and make sure to give your team a heads up that you’ll be out of town those weekends but c...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: 2013   on: January 20, at 10:49:30 pm   in: Legal Employment
So, if the listed range is 2-5 years, someone who is a stub year looking to lateral has no shot? Never say never, but highly unlikely. A firm looking for 2-5 years is going to be looking for someone who has substantial experience doing junior level work, and someone who can or is already managing lower level associates. Depending on how busy the group is, though, they may hire you into a group as...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: JakeTappers   on: January 20, at 10:48:22 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am sitting the February attorneys exam, and am winding my way thru essay after essay after essay. Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. Question: In order to pass the attorney's test, the score one needs per essay is 65. Is that correct? Or is the av...
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Re: Dropping out  
  by: wafflesfordays   on: January 20, at 10:40:35 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Does your school curve to a 3.0-3.2? If so, you are at or just below median. The situation is far from hopeless because you have a semester before OCI and five before graduation. There are far worse situations than being median at a t40. Unless you are miserable in school, you should focus your energy on improving this semester rather than redoing a whole application cycle, first semester of 1L, ...
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Re: Dropping out  
  by: wafflesfordays   on: January 20, at 10:38:27 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
OP, are your grades the only reason for considering dropping out? Do you actually want to be a lawyer and will your debt be manageable? My grades during 1L were slightly above median, but pretty mediocre. I ended up raising my grades substantially over the remaining years and ended up graduating top 10%. It can be done, but it will take some extra effort. I actually do enjoy the classes I’m takin...
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Re: Kellogg Hansen  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 10:31:21 pm   in: Legal Employment
For those having/had callbacks, how long until you got a response?
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Re: Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 10:26:39 pm   in: Legal Employment
Worked at one of the big investment banks before law school. Fair number of the senior investment bankers were former lawyers from your Cravaths, S&Cs, and we hired JD-MBAs into associate roles fairly regularly just through the typical on-campus recruiting. Never had anyone lateral in from a law firm into my group, but 1) I was industry coverage, not M&A (where a legal background would be ...
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: yyyuppp   on: January 20, at 10:08:19 pm   in: Transfers
Thanks for the response. Can I ask how you made your decision not to transfer? Also, was it at all strange to ask your professors to write letters for you, get in, and then decide to stay? I feel like I'd be jerking them around if I asked for LORs before I really knew for certain that I'd transfer if accepted. i stayed cuz of friends, clerking, law review, the cost was the same, and i couldn't re...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by:   on: January 20, at 10:03:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
Unless you’re at a firm with a working summer, I doubt anyone will care or even notice; associates and partners have way more important things to worry about than where an SA was that one Friday and its ok to miss a summer event (many people with families skip most of them). Ask HR their thoughts to confirm and make sure to give your team a heads up that you’ll be out of town those weekends but ca...
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Re: Study Partner/Group?  
  by:   on: January 20, at 9:59:44 pm   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hey everyone, I'm signed up to take the March LSAT and would love to join any study group. Feel free to PM me!
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: a male human   on: January 20, at 9:47:10 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Further to above, an average raw score of 65 is a good guideline on where you want your essays to be. This is especially important for attorney examinees. 65 is not a "passing" score. 1440 is a passing score. Historically, ~62.5 raw written on average was equivalent to 1440 scaled written. For a general CA bar taker, you have more leeway because your MBE score could make up for your writ...
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 9:16:47 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
Is the standard rate for clerkship bonuses still 50/70k? Or has there been some upward movement in recent months/years given the economy and general big law salary increases? Just one data point but I'm a current two-year district court clerk who accepted an offer from a V50 firm with 70k bonus. No upward movement for me. Another data point: got 50k for one two year clerkship. From talking to fri...
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: Res publica   on: January 20, at 9:14:41 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
This is honestly helpful and relatable unlike those that say just focus on my GPA. I already have a high GPA of 3.9 with 21 credits this semester. However, I won't start studying until summer of sophomore year but even then won't go in hard because there's no point since it would be a year or two away. By the way I admire your lsat score-that's honestly my target score. And you mentioned how it t...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: RedPurpleBlue   on: January 20, at 8:41:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm looking to get a place in NYC from May 20 to July 26 with a little flexibility in moving in before May 20 and leaving after July 26. Cool with having a room in a multi-room arrangement. I'm a guy if it matters.
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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2018-2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 8:37:48 pm   in: Legal Employment
Yes, I went through the process in the past so I’m familiar with it. Background checks for new (non-honors) hires in my component take 3-4 months. Although they begin the background check for honors program people in December, I’m not convinced that it actually requires 8 months to complete, rather than that’s the timeline they follow because they know the honors people don’t have to be on board ...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: jptx   on: January 20, at 8:17:56 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am sitting the February attorneys exam, and am winding my way thru essay after essay after essay. Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. Question: In order to pass the attorney's test, the score one needs per essay is 65. Is that correct? Or is the av...
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=298763

Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: johnnymacaroni   on: January 20, at 7:54:31 pm   in: Transfers
If you can maintain your grades, you can get a job at virtually any firm in the country. Not much value added to transfer and way more to lose if scholarship money at current school is involved. I'd stay at grind another semester to maintain, and just enjoy killing it at OCI at GULC.
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 7:52:57 pm   in: Legal Employment
So, if the listed range is 2-5 years, someone who is a stub year looking to lateral has no shot?
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: January 20, at 7:48:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
In a similar (yet clearly way more egregious) vein is it a terrible idea to take off the Friday of Memorial Day Weekend as a summer? I'm in DC and the vast majority of working professionals I know take that Friday off to go to the DE/MD beaches/lakes. Seems like most summer programs are starting on the 20th so it would be the first week. Definitely, not an option right? Correct. Not an option. 10...
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: UBETutoring   on: January 20, at 7:30:46 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
You’re also a URM. You don’t need the same grades to get the same job offers. If you are within .2 of median, it would be much better than being a non-URM above median. If you median the other classes, you’re fine. Just be anove the bottom 20 percent and interview well.
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by:   on: January 20, at 7:08:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Given last year's raise, it won't happen unless firms slim down. Plus, geography and morale. Forcing another NY raise when there isn't motivation to pay all US associates the same forces firms to pay distinct salaries for people in the same year. At my NY firm, there was a lot of talk about if salaries would be raised for associates outside NY, and it took almost a week after the NY announcement ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by:   on: January 20, at 7:04:49 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not worth it. I'd also be wary of thinking 100% offer really means 100% offer. Work at a firm that always posts 100% offers. For the year I summered, they posted 100%, but that was a lie. There were cold offers, including for two summers who did something particularly stupid, and people knew other SAs who weren't coming back. They got to say that got offers to help their employment prospects/estee...
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: sg.cambs   on: January 20, at 7:03:47 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
What's everyone's strategies for memorising rule statements for the MEEs? Every time I write a graded essay, I'm just hitting blanks for the first ten minutes trying to bullshit the rule before digging into the analysis. Hi there! My personal approach was to print off the themis model answers, (delete fact-specific parts) and highlight/mark them up. Then do you very best to learn the rule stateme...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:03:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
In a similar (yet clearly way more egregious) vein is it a terrible idea to take off the Friday of Memorial Day Weekend as a summer? I'm in DC and the vast majority of working professionals I know take that Friday off to go to the DE/MD beaches/lakes. Seems like most summer programs are starting on the 20th so it would be the first week. Definitely, not an option right? Right. Depending on the fi...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 6:01:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
In a similar (yet clearly way more egregious) vein is it a terrible idea to take off the Friday of Memorial Day Weekend as a summer? I'm in DC and the vast majority of working professionals I know take that Friday off to go to the DE/MD beaches/lakes. Seems like most summer programs are starting on the 20th so it would be the first week. Definitely, not an option right?
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:01:26 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Literally anything else would be a better use of your time right now. You shouldn't even be beginning to think about the LSAT for another three years. Yeah, so you're saying don't even think about studying for another 3 years when i'm a senior in college. Love that. And what score would I get from that, a 140? Listen, I like studying slow instead of cramming like a maniac last minute. But thanks ...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 5:42:32 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
100k straight out of undergrad (assuming ok hours) is every practicing lawyer's dream job. Don't squander it by going to law school. Look into FIRE. Save your money and retire at 40. You'll be happier than any lawyer I know. To be fair, it isn't all about the money. I'm sure I'd be financially better off if I'd stuck with my original plan and gone "K-MD," but I know now that being a doc...
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Re: How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: 2013   on: January 20, at 5:40:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
You can’t count your internship experience. Also, a lot of jobs that are 1-3 years are usually looking for closer to 3 years. 5 months is realistically not enough experience to get an interview unless you have past experience pre-law school in that field or you have some other compelling reason for being a stellar candidate. Additionally, if you’re currently not at a biglaw firm, it’ll be even har...
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 5:38:19 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Literally anything else would be a better use of your time right now. You shouldn't even be beginning to think about the LSAT for another three years. Yeah, so you're saying don't even think about studying for another 3 years when i'm a senior in college. Love that. And what score would I get from that, a 140? Listen, I like studying slow instead of cramming like a maniac last minute. But thanks ...
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: criminologygeek   on: January 20, at 5:30:42 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Literally anything else would be a better use of your time right now. You shouldn't even be beginning to think about the LSAT for another three years. Yeah, so you're saying don't even think about studying for another 3 years when i'm a senior in college. Love that. And what score would I get from that, a 140? Listen, I like studying slow instead of cramming like a maniac last minute. But thanks ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 5:29:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
it just means that subsequent semesters will have to carry a very intense credit load for 3L. I'm a bit confused by the above. We're talking a total of 3 credits, right? That's not a lot of credits to add to an entire year (two semesters) of law school. You could take a 1-credit seminar one semester and a 2-credit seminar the other. You could take an easy 3-credit lecture (those do exist). You co...
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Re: Should I follow up?  
  by: rcharter1978   on: January 20, at 5:28:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
I guess I can't see how a follow up would hurt. Maybe give it another week, but either they don't want you and then you'll know or they are still interested and they will know you're interested too. IMO.
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Re: When is the right time to start studying the lsat?  
  by: criminologygeek   on: January 20, at 5:27:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I asked the same question years ago when I was a freshman, and everyone told me to focus on GPA. Well, fast forward 5 years and I got a 178. I took it once, but I put in over 800 hours over 3 years. You should focus on GPA at the moment. Take easy classes, work hard in the tough ones. Don't focus on the LSAT. But during winter break and summer break, spend some time to familiarize yourself with t...
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How Strict are Law Firms Regarding Experience Requirements for Laterals?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 5:25:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
As the title says, how strict are big law firms with regards to experience requirements? There are some openings I see that ask for one year of experience minimum. I have been working for 5 months now, but I do feel like I could consider my internships as experience too, which would put me around a year. Could anyone shed light on this? It's a generic question but I'd rather not jeopardize my chan...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 20, at 5:07:55 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
100k straight out of undergrad (assuming ok hours) is every practicing lawyer's dream job. Don't squander it by going to law school.

Look into FIRE. Save your money and retire at 40. You'll be happier than any lawyer I know.
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 20, at 5:04:16 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks, all. The consensus seems to be don't risk it, so I'll drop the summer class. And to answer a question above, it's not that if I don't take this class I won't graduate on time; rather, it just means that subsequent semesters will have to carry a very intense credit load for 3L.
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Re: Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: bananasfloat   on: January 20, at 4:59:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
To clarify, are you looking to join the in-house legal department at an i-bank, or are you looking to become a banker? The former is common; the latter is decidedly uncommon and will be much tougher. considering both options, but am more curious about the pros and cons of a move banking (if this is even possible). Just looking for insight from those who have considered, tried, succeeded, failed, ...
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Re: Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 4:35:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
To clarify, are you looking to join the in-house legal department at an i-bank, or are you looking to become a banker? The former is common; the latter is decidedly uncommon and will be much tougher.
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Exit from NYC M&A to Investment Bank?  
  by: bananasfloat   on: January 20, at 4:21:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Anyone with any experience or insight on exiting from the corp group at a Latham/K&E/Weil to an Investment bank? Does this happen often? What are the pros and cons of such a move?
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Re: SECOND DEPARTMENT ADMISSION CHARACTER AND FITNESS  
  by: m27   on: January 20, at 4:06:40 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

123anitsirhC wrote:For the NY State Bar Application, do the Law-Related Employment Affirmations & the Affirmations of Good Moral Character need to be notarized??

Not anymore. The old ones had to, but the most recent version of the employment affirmation and moral character affirmation do not have to be notarized. However they do accept both.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=284090

Re: GT Miami?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 3:38:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Is it true that senior associate all-in comp caps at about 250? Are there significant exceptions?
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 3:34:16 pm   in: Transfers
I mean, personally I agree with you (and have done long distance a number of times for the reasons you give), but I’m not going to tell someone how to handle their relationship.

(I also already agreed they can’t count on getting the same grades next semester.)
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 3:15:00 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm really confused about your current credit load and the requirements you need to hit. Are you really not going to graduate next year if you don't take a 3-credit course over the summer?
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Wild Card   on: January 20, at 2:59:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
It is. [sexist content redacted]
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: BrainsyK   on: January 20, at 2:46:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
As a summer, you're paid $730/day. Two days would make it $1,500. Why would you forfeit that to pay your school extra money to get a few credits that you would get anyway during the course of a regular semester, where the cost would be incorporated into your tuition?
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 2:42:33 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think that the Yale reasoning also applies to Stanford, though Stanford vs. full ride at CCN seems to come up a lot less often on these fora for some reason. I suspect it’s regional differences to some extent - for people who are from California/want to stay in California, Yale/Harvard/CCN don’t offer quite the same alternative as they do for someone already east coast-based. (Obviously you cou...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 2:31:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Does your firm 100% offer historically? If yes, you can risk asking about having these two weekends off without automatically losing an offer, but it is still a risk that could be combined with other problems should they occur (not saying you'll have any other problems, but just saying that if you had other problems such as personality conflicts, really bad work product, or drunkenly jumping off o...
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Re: Alternative MBE Study Options?  
  by: Law&coffee   on: January 20, at 2:31:52 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I personally used Critical Pass and Strategies & Tactics. Critical Pass is very good - it's like the Convisor in flash card form (referral link for $$ off - https://criticalpass.refr.cc/7LQ8X4Z ). I would use it in conjunction with practice MBE questions from Barbri. Strategies & Tactics has good tips as well as practice questions. I have also heard raving reviews about AdaptiBar.
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: bob311   on: January 20, at 2:31:26 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks for your advice. Just to play Devil's Advocate: I believe SAs who split-summers at two firms only spend like 8 weeks at each firm. I'd be spending the full 10 weeks at my firm, minus two Fridays. Is it unreasonable to assume that if split summers can spend only 8 weeks at the firm without negative consequences, someone like me can spend the full 10 weeks with just two days off, without neg...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 20, at 2:23:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks for your advice. Just to play Devil's Advocate: I believe SAs who split-summers at two firms only spend like 8 weeks at each firm. I'd be spending the full 10 weeks at my firm, minus two Fridays. Is it unreasonable to assume that if split summers can spend only 8 weeks at the firm without negative consequences, someone like me can spend the full 10 weeks with just two days off, without nega...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 2:20:34 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Not everyone who gets into YHS necessarily gets big merit scholarships from CCN. I got a little bit of money from NYU but nothing from Columbia or Chicago. Also some people do get need-based aid from YHS -- it especially helps if you're an older applicant because they don't expect your parents to contribute. I do agree though with the people pointing out that, for most students, the ultimate outc...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: HamlinMcgill   on: January 20, at 2:11:37 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Not everyone who gets into YHS necessarily gets big merit scholarships from CCN. I got a little bit of money from NYU but nothing from Columbia or Chicago. Also some people do get need-based aid from YHS -- it especially helps if you're an older applicant because they don't expect your parents to contribute. I do agree though with the people pointing out that, for most students, the ultimate outco...
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 2:03:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
Looking for something near downtown Houston late may through late July. I feel like air bnbs inside the loop are kind of lacking and/or really overpriced so if anyone would want to split a 2 bedroom Airbnb, could also be interested in that. I'm looking for something like this too! I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, so I'd be willing to split a 2 bedroom if the price is right. Feel ...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:55:37 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Does anyone see a differentiation here with Yale because the loan repayment program there beasically covers everything - including unemployment? Plus I feel, without evidence necessarily, that Yale grads go into other careers and don’t just funnel into biglaw like many Harvard grads. Thoughts? I think that's on the money. Yale is unique enough - and the gap between Yale and CCN etc. big enough - ...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Npret   on: January 20, at 1:46:01 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Does anyone see a differentiation here with Yale because the loan repayment program there beasically covers everything - including unemployment?
Plus I feel, without evidence necessarily, that Yale grads go into other careers and don’t just funnel into biglaw like many Harvard grads.
Thoughts?
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:45:47 pm   in: Transfers
However, it’s also reasonable not to due to your personal life. I guess I wonder what you were intending to do graduating from the t2 without transferring? I'm not sure that's reasonable from an objective standpoint, actually. We're not talking about Chicago vs. a "lower" T13 or even a T20, we're talking about Chicago vs. a T2 law school . I understand it's a serious, committed relation...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 1:19:40 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think there is also a fundamental misunderstanding of outcomes sometimes, where there are many firms/outcomes that are only attainable from HYS, and so it falls into a "gamble on yourself" sort of confirmation bias. It's pretty widely understood that certain outcomes may be easier/more attainable at HYS over other schools, such as finding your way to a SCOTUS/feeder clerkship, ACLU, D...
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Re: Transferring from a T30  
  by:   on: January 20, at 1:14:25 pm   in: Transfers

QContinuum wrote:Moderator note: I split the above post off into a new thread because the previous topic was made by a 0L asking about whether s/he should retake the LSAT or plan on transferring "up" after 1L. The above post is entirely different, having been made by a 1L who is considering a potential transfer.

It appears as if I was not in the same boat with OP after all...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 1:13:15 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
If you want versatility, law school may be a good option because it gives you the opportunity to move away from your engineering background (such as going into health law), but realize that how you tailor your job search in the law will also commit you to a career path that you can only move away from by leaving it entirely. And health law is a practice area, but you'll definitely want to research...
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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 1:11:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
Curious about lateral options later. I’m at CCN, top 10%, strong strong Florida ties. Got no Miami offers from OCI. Now I’m going to a NYC V5. Assuming I want Miami in a few years, is it still as hard? I work at one of the firms in Miami. Generally speaking, it’ll be harder (and probably not advisable) to lateral to one of the smaller market-paying firms. As mentioned throughout this thread and o...
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Re: Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:10:59 pm   in: What are my chances?
You're a strong applicant across the T13, with the exception of Yale and Stanford. Harvard is iffy, and Berkeley may not happen (for some reason they strongly favor GPA over LSAT). As for your school list: what kind of work do you want to do in PA? You absolutely shouldn't be applying anywhere ED, but the job opportunities available from Temple/Villanova are radically different from the job oppor...
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Re: SECOND DEPARTMENT ADMISSION CHARACTER AND FITNESS  
  by:   on: January 20, at 1:08:59 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
For the NY State Bar Application, do the Law-Related Employment Affirmations & the Affirmations of Good Moral Character need to be notarized??
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:08:09 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
It sounds like based on your comments it might only be advisable to make the switch if I'm pretty set on patent law? In terms of stability I feel like that would be the best way to make law school worth it. Pending on how I feel about O&G of course. Thanks again! No, you should make the switch if and only if you feel a burning desire to practice law. You're right about the "versatility&q...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 1:03:09 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think there is also a fundamental misunderstanding of outcomes sometimes, where there are many firms/outcomes that are only attainable from HYS, and so it falls into a "gamble on yourself" sort of confirmation bias. It's pretty widely understood that certain outcomes may be easier/more attainable at HYS over other schools, such as finding your way to a SCOTUS/feeder clerkship, ACLU, D...
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Re: Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 1:01:08 pm   in: What are my chances?
You're a strong applicant across the T13, with the exception of Yale and Stanford. Harvard is iffy, and Berkeley may not happen (for some reason they strongly favor GPA over LSAT). As for your school list: what kind of work do you want to do in PA? You absolutely shouldn't be applying anywhere ED, but the job opportunities available from Temple/Villanova are radically different from the job opport...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: Nicobella   on: January 20, at 1:00:54 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Thanks everyone! I'm starting my job in July, taking the LSAT in June, so I'll see how it goes before applying in October or so. I plan to work at least one year minimum, but probably not more than 2 or 3 if I make the transition. When I speak to versatility, I just mean more broad options for different industries. I concentrated in biomolecular sciences with my degree, so it would be nice to get ...
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Re: Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 12:54:27 pm   in: Legal Employment
You can do it, but why risk it for a few credits. Making up the time in the evenings misses the point. Your job as a summer is to consistently impress, not to do work that I expect to give to a client. Any time you're not present misses a chance to be top of mind. Will you lose an offer? Probably not. But when I'm submitting my evaluation of you, it may be qualified- particularly if I host an even...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 12:52:47 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I think there is also a fundamental misunderstanding of outcomes sometimes, where there are many firms/outcomes that are only attainable from HYS, and so it falls into a "gamble on yourself" sort of confirmation bias. It's pretty widely understood that certain outcomes may be easier/more attainable at HYS over other schools, such as finding your way to a SCOTUS/feeder clerkship, ACLU, DO...
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Re: Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 12:51:27 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What QContinuum said is absolutely true, but I would hesitate to say your entire practice could focus on environmentally friendly biotech, since more than likely you're working at a firm as a patent attorney, and when you begin as an associate, you have little control over the types of work you take on, but more realistically you'll be tasked with drafting patent applications based on current cli...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 12:44:33 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I have friends at Harvard who turned down big scholarships at other schools like Chicago and Columbia. What they had done really only sank in once they started seeing the student loans pile up in their accounts. You don’t know how that feels until you’re in that situation. I’m only here because of military welfare benefits. This is why we keep preaching against debt. It’s so easy to borrow and fo...
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Re: Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by: UVA2B   on: January 20, at 12:40:33 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What QContinuum said is absolutely true, but I would hesitate to say your entire practice could focus on environmentally friendly biotech, since more than likely you're working at a firm as a patent attorney, and when you begin as an associate, you have little control over the types of work you take on, but more realistically you'll be tasked with drafting patent applications based on current clie...
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Re: Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 20, at 12:31:35 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Absolutely there is a way. It all comes down to your undergraduate GPA and your LSAT score. With a high enough GPA and LSAT (generally above a school's 75th percentiles for both numbers), you can get a full-tuition scholarship.
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by:   on: January 20, at 12:24:33 pm   in: Legal Employment
Looking for something near downtown Houston late may through late July. I feel like air bnbs inside the loop are kind of lacking and/or really overpriced so if anyone would want to split a 2 bedroom Airbnb, could also be interested in that. I'm looking for something like this too! I'm looking for something relatively inexpensive, so I'd be willing to split a 2 bedroom if the price is right. Feel ...
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: maureenwct   on: January 20, at 12:17:03 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello, I am sitting the February attorneys exam, and am winding my way thru essay after essay after essay. Question: I know I read somewhere that there are predictions made each year for what subjects will show up? Not that I will rely on such, but I would be curious as to any ideas. Question: In order to pass the attorney's test, the score one needs per essay is 65. Is that correct? Or is the ave...
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Re: NYU c/o 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: mruskin   on: January 20, at 12:08:27 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
I am. I applied 19 December, went under review 21 December, & the date changed 15 January.

choypablo wrote:Anyone else waiting on RD? Is NYU still doing the UR date changes thing?

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Should I follow up?  
  by: Anonesq   on: January 20, at 11:45:10 am   in: Legal Employment
I’ll try to keep this short- I interviewed with a mid-sized firm in my market with around 80-100 attorneys. I met with a senior partner of the firm about a month ago. I followed up 2 weeks ago and he said he was impressed with me and will try to find a place for me. But he also needed approval from the other partners. There is another partner in the firm who has been advocating for me a lot. She h...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Npret   on: January 20, at 11:42:57 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I have friends at Harvard who turned down big scholarships at other schools like Chicago and Columbia. What they had done really only sank in once they started seeing the student loans pile up in their accounts. You don’t know how that feels until you’re in that situation. I’m only here because of military welfare benefits. This is why we keep preaching against debt. It’s so easy to borrow and fo...
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Re: Military Veteran Applications C/O 2022  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 11:42:18 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Navy Vet, heard yays back from Baylor ($) and Drexel ($$$). Waitlist for GW. Still waiting on the rest...

Anyone trying to use voc rehab to help pay for school? I've been told that they won't pay for law because of the poor job prospects (at least in San Diego, which is not where I plan on staying).
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: Npret   on: January 20, at 11:39:30 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I’m not sure anyone here is qualified to speak to CS salaries or life style.
My only reference is someone who works for Apple in Pittsburgh and just bought a Tesla along with owning a huge house, kid with nanny etc. I know he’s making more than biglaw and his hours aren’t crazy.
I think OP needs to research this career elsewhere.
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Re: Baylor - c/o 2022  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 11:37:07 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Submitted app mid Dec, heard back a week later. 3.4/160, accepted with $$
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: ubebarstudying   on: January 20, at 11:23:34 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
How is everyone doing on the graded essays? Is the goal all 4s to pass or can we pass with a mix of 3s and 4s? If you have taken the course before, is the grading pretty accurate? I got 4s on Contracts and Property. The property questions on that essay were very time consuming and I didn't hit submit until there were 2 seconds left. If you look through the threads on this forum, you'll see many p...
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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 11:14:26 am   in: Legal Employment
Curious about lateral options later. I’m at CCN, top 10%, strong strong Florida ties. Got no Miami offers from OCI. Now I’m going to a NYC V5. Assuming I want Miami in a few years, is it still as hard?
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Re: Let's talk 5th Circuit!  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 10:28:26 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Anyone know if Jones is still looking at applications for 2020?
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: sev   on: January 20, at 10:10:30 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
I go to a t14, think MVP. (...) My school is curved in the 3.2-3.4 range. (...) My ideal market is Texas. (...) I have four years of really good work experience in the public interest sector. (...)Personally, I did not think I struggled as much as others do their first semester. You'll be fine. Just talk to people in the Texas market--cold email some alumni or use whatever contacts you have to ge...
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 9:39:27 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum

cavalier1138 wrote:But it might make more sense to narrow down some organizations you want to work with and verify that they have taken on attorneys from the schools you're targeting. Then start interning with them while you're in school.

That's really good advice, thank you. I'll be sure to do that, it'll definitely help me narrow down my list. Thanks!
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 8:47:07 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What area of PI do you want to work in? And where do you want to work? Your school list is all over the place. I know it is... ideally I'd like to work in either PA or OH. I applied to a UC because I have CA residency but I'd rather not stay in state. Really interested in working with low income individuals, likely at a nonprofit agency. Domestic violence, at-risk youth, that type of stuff. I see...
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Re: New York July 2018 Bar Exam Hangout Thread  
  by:   on: January 20, at 8:41:10 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I am planning on buying Studicata's essays attack outlines. Can anyone tell me how it helped them in the MEE section of the New York bar?
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Dcc617   on: January 20, at 8:39:31 am   in: Choosing a Law School
I have friends at Harvard who turned down big scholarships at other schools like Chicago and Columbia. What they had done really only sank in once they started seeing the student loans pile up in their accounts. You don’t know how that feels until you’re in that situation. I’m only here because of military welfare benefits.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 8:09:35 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be. Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who ar...
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Re: Feb. 2019 DC Bar Exam Study Group  
  by: MariAlex   on: January 20, at 8:08:55 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
We haven’t met yet. People interested RE DC bar exam could email me at dcbarexamfeb2019 (at) gmail.com and we can try to sort out a time and place?

Worried that the shutdown will prevent dc from even offering the exam in feb 2019...
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: nixy   on: January 20, at 8:07:24 am   in: Transfers
I'd recommend a transfer, but please be aware that most T13 students will never become federal judges. It's honestly not something you can really "aim" for, because one of the main ways you get the job is by knowing someone involved in the nomination process (or getting friendly with lobbying groups who submit names for these things). Even then, you're talking about something that only ...
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 7:22:29 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What area of PI do you want to work in? And where do you want to work? Your school list is all over the place. I know it is... ideally I'd like to work in either PA or OH. I applied to a UC because I have CA residency but I'd rather not stay in state. Really interested in working with low income individuals, likely at a nonprofit agency. Domestic violence, at-risk youth, that type of stuff. I see...
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Drexel's Rising Advocate Scholars Scholarship  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 7:17:54 am   in: Financial Aid
Anyone heard of Drexel's Rising Advocate Scholars Scholarship? I can't find a thing on their website or on google... I only know about it because I was awarded the scholarship (it's full tuition, in case that helps). Would love to know some more info. Thanks!
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Re: Stanford c/o 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: Billyboy   on: January 20, at 7:14:58 am   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

Dalanne89 wrote:
Billyboy wrote:LETS GOOOO. In via email today!

Congratulations! When did you apply?

Thanks! I went complete mid-October. Quite early in the cycle.
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Re: Reality check, please!  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 7:12:06 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
What area of PI do you want to work in? And where do you want to work? Your school list is all over the place.
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Reality check, please!  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 20, at 7:04:48 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Currently in the process of hearing back from law schools (okay, I've only heard back from 3 but it's a start) and I think I could use a reality check. Pertinent info: 3.44 UGPA, 160 LSAT (only took it once), naval officer vet. Heard back from: Drexel (full tuition scholarship), Baylor (%50 scholarship), and GW (waitlisted). Waiting for results from: Cincinnati, Penn State Dickinson, Temple, Georg...
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:53:16 am   in: Transfers
I'd recommend a transfer, but please be aware that most T13 students will never become federal judges. It's honestly not something you can really "aim" for, because one of the main ways you get the job is by knowing someone involved in the nomination process (or getting friendly with lobbying groups who submit names for these things). Even then, you're talking about something that only h...
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Re: The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 6:48:07 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I know some judges are off plan on the 5th, 6th, and 10th circuits. Seems to vary more by ideology than circuit.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 20, at 6:46:15 am   in: Choosing a Law School
If you get in, you’ll have the chance to ask the top law students in the country why so many choose to do so, rather than online commentators who likely didn’t have that choice I love the Harvard students who inevitably flock to these threads decrying all the dumb CCN students who took a full ride over sticker at their very, very preftigious inftitution. I wonder how it feels when you end up gett...
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: RedPurpleBlue   on: January 20, at 3:42:22 am   in: Legal Employment
What are entry-level salaries like for academic law librarians? How is the work-life balance? From what I've heard and seen, work-life balance seems to be great. It's for the most part a 9-5 type of a job at the non-administrative levels. For salaries, here is the salary survey from 2013 . I'm too lazy to find a pdf of the 2017 one, but you can go to page 61/124 of the PDF (labeled S-3 in the doc...
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Choosing a school for patent law with environmental focus  
  by:   on: January 20, at 3:04:45 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Hi everyone, Thanks for reading my post! Over the past seven years, I've been enjoying life as an entomologist. Unfortunately, I am developing allergies to several types of insects. Since these symptoms can get pretty severe, I am afraid I may need to change my career focus. It happens to be the case that my university wants to patent some of my work. This process seems really interesting to me, s...
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Re: Timing for Foreign Eligibility Equation New York Bar Exam  
  by: Lancair   on: January 20, at 1:05:41 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi guys I registered for the FEB 2019 NY exam and I am busy preparing. I am a foreign trained attorney from a common law jurisdiction, my previous classmates who studied the same degree have been approved to write the exam without an LLM. I think I will receive the same approval. My issue pertains to timing, as Feb is the best time for me to write this exam. July is crazy at work and I know I won...
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Re: Bar Application C&F Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 12:56:55 am   in: Legal Employment
I can't imagine this would bar your admission. Your proposed plan of attack is spot on. Contact your law school, and I'm sure they'll be happy to indicate that you would still have been offered admission if you had accurately stated the length of your tutoring gig. That should be sufficient for bar C&F. Thanks, that's good to hear. One good thing is that that in some of my other law school ap...
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Re: Military Law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 20, at 12:54:55 am   in: Legal Employment
quick question on Army JAG selects. The offer letter said 2020 January class was the earliest class available. Would that mean for DCC to start in 2020 January? or UVA class? I was hoping it to be October 2019.. at the latest. wondering the same thing... Rumor has it that the May 2019 class and the October 2019 class have been consolidated into an August 2019 class. Unless your state expeditiousl...
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Re: Winston (CHI) v Goodwin (BOS)  
  by: RaceJudicata   on: January 19, at 11:12:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
Chicago vs Boston should be as much of a factor as comparing the firms.
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Possible To Take A Friday or Two Off During SA Position?  
  by: anonymous2898   on: January 19, at 10:54:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hello, I have a summer associate position coming up this summer (in NYC), but I was hoping to take a summer class at my home school so that I can knock out a few credits. (I took a break during law school so I need to catch up on a few credits). Anyway, my home school is offering a summer class that meets on two weekends, Friday-Sunday, for 3 credits. Obviously, this means I would have to take off...
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Bio grad splitter applying to law school in 2019, need advice. 178 LSAT, 3.51 GPA  
  by: Shadow9314   on: January 19, at 10:39:34 pm   in: What are my chances?
Hey everyone, I graduated in 2016 with a degree in biochemistry from Temple U in Philadelphia. I was originally planning to go into the healthcare but changed my mind last year and decided to take the LSAT. I got a 178 on the Nov LSAT (1st try)which was awesome but I’m concerned about my low gpa (3.51 on LSDAS). I don’t really have anything to write a gpa addendum on. I was taking high level bio a...
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Re: Bar Application C&F Question  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 10:18:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
I can't imagine this would bar your admission. Your proposed plan of attack is spot on. Contact your law school, and I'm sure they'll be happy to indicate that you would still have been offered admission if you had accurately stated the length of your tutoring gig. That should be sufficient for bar C&F.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 10:12:51 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who are committed to using PSLF and don't care that much about the tuition (I'm not sure that reasoning is warranted - PSLF severely l...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Bmzl   on: January 19, at 9:51:17 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be. Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who ar...
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Re: Winston (CHI) v Goodwin (BOS)  
  by: TUwave   on: January 19, at 9:47:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
What type of corporate work are you doing/looking to do?
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Bar Application C&F Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 9:32:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
Hey all, I'm freaking out a little bit - just realized I might have a potential C&F issue in my bar application. On reviewing my law school applications, I realized I accidentally misstated the dates of one of my employments such that it appeared I worked there for a year longer than I did. I was applying straight through from undergrad, so the position wasn't anything special - it was a tutor...
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Texas Bar Feb 2019  
  by:   on: January 19, at 9:26:31 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi Y'all, I am a IL license attorney and preparing Texas Feb Bar Exam. This group is for Texas Feb 2019 bar exam takers to discuss exam tips and share studying material. Please download the WhatsApp app and text me at 312-361-7962 if you'd like to join!
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Re: Supplements for Admin and Evidence?  
  by: criminaltheory   on: January 19, at 9:16:18 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
For admin law:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=282041&p=10168044#p10168044

For evidence, "understanding evidence" got me an A
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 9:13:00 pm   in: Transfers
You want to be a federal judge but you went to a T2 school?
You need to transfer.
Most likely you will break up, but maybe not. Plenty of people manage to stay together but it doesn’t sound like you want a career where his dream job is located.
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:58:22 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Your starting BigLaw salary will be more than your ending software engineering salary unless you get a "unicorn" software outcome. In fact, it is possible that the same would be true of your in-house counsel salary. Also, while you didn't ask, I'd advise that a Master's in CS is not worth the cost and the lost year of potential work experience. The Master's will get you very few jobs th...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:52:45 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be. Economically, if it's between sticker at YSH and a full-ride at CCN, the choice is absolutely as clear as TLS makes it out to be. But of course, as pointed out earlier ITT, there are folks who are wealthy and don't care that much about the tuition. There are folks who ar...
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Re: Transferring from a T30  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:46:26 pm   in: Transfers
Moderator note: I split the above post off into a new thread because the previous topic was made by a 0L asking about whether s/he should retake the LSAT or plan on transferring "up" after 1L. The above post is entirely different, having been made by a 1L who is considering a potential transfer.
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Re: Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 8:40:20 pm   in: Transfers
My view is that on the one hand, there is a substantial risk that your second-semester grades will decline. On the other hand, the difference in prestige/placement power between Harvard and Chicago is very slight. So IMO, it makes the most sense to ED Chicago on the strength of your first-semester grades, which - at a 3.98 - are about as perfect as law school grades can get. I am by no means a rel...
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Re: Alternative career path: law librarian  
  by: Bodhicaryavatara   on: January 19, at 7:55:20 pm   in: Legal Employment
What are entry-level salaries like for academic law librarians? How is the work-life balance?
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: UBETutoring   on: January 19, at 7:24:18 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
Voluntarily leaving and being pushed out are not always mutually exclusive. Work is much more draining when you are desperate for hours than when you are not.
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Santa Clara Law, Class of 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: Ted10   on: January 19, at 6:35:51 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Did not see a topic for this, so wanted to create one. Any applicants out there?
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Re: UVA C/O 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: mruskin   on: January 19, at 5:57:28 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Anyone else been under review since early December & not heard anything back? My application was marked complete 19 November, and has been under review since 11 December.
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Re: Berkeley c/o 2022  
  by: mruskin   on: January 19, at 5:34:18 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Hoping to hear back soon; I applied 9 November 2018 and have been under review since 3 December 2018.
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Re: Taking any/all advice, suggestions and direction  
  by: Shredzeppelin240   on: January 19, at 5:18:38 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I just finished another PT around five minutes ago (DEC 2000). This time I got a 161. I got -6 on LG which is a huge improvement for me. I spent nearly all week working through 1993-1995 logic game sections. Still not where I want to me but I'm liking the trajectory. This test was slightly frustrating.. I've been taking them all in the library and during my reading comp section a man next to me fe...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 5:02:53 pm   in: Legal Employment
Above the law seemed to say they would factor into year end bonuses. We'll see if that's true.
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Re: Should I Plan on Tax LLM for IRS  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 19, at 4:47:53 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I was at the IRS my 1L Summer. IIRC honors hiring is mostly focused on grades. I think they had something like a 3.5 cutoff/top 10% cutoff for hiring out of law school, whichever is lower. I don't think a single attorney in my field office had an LLM I also remember that they don't hire directly int LB&I, but I obviously defer to the guy who actually works there full time.
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Re: AA Male Splitter T-20 Chances  
  by:   on: January 19, at 4:44:08 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Had a friend with similar stats (3.01, 164) and he swung Michigan with a half scholarship. Got into UVA too. HLS rejected and Columbia waitlisted. Although, he did have a strong UG soft, though middle of the road post grad softs. Let us know how you do!
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Re: Chance me 3.57 GPA & 170 LSAT  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 19, at 3:50:19 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Now, I owe $130,000 in student loans and am stuck in the legal field that I despise. All lawyers do is scheme against each other and use a lot of profanity. Don't make my mistake. Stay in engineering. Dude, we get it. You went to a bad school, failed the bar a few times, and now you do doc review. I'm too lazy to see if you sought application advice here before getting yourself in this mess, but ...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 3:11:46 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Your starting BigLaw salary will be more than your ending software engineering salary unless you get a "unicorn" software outcome. In fact, it is possible that the same would be true of your in-house counsel salary. Also, while you didn't ask, I'd advise that a Master's in CS is not worth the cost and the lost year of potential work experience. The Master's will get you very few jobs tha...
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Timing for Foreign Eligibility Equation New York Bar Exam  
  by:   on: January 19, at 3:05:51 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Hi guys I registered for the FEB 2019 NY exam and I am busy preparing. I am a foreign trained attorney from a common law jurisdiction, my previous classmates who studied the same degree have been approved to write the exam without an LLM. I think I will receive the same approval. My issue pertains to timing, as Feb is the best time for me to write this exam. July is crazy at work and I know I won'...
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Any shot at Chicago ED?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 3:01:06 pm   in: Transfers
I'm top 15% at a T20, missed the top 10% GPA cutoff by 0.01. Any chance at UChicago ED or should I just wait, try to do even better this semester, and apply via regular decision in May/June? Only schools where it would be worth it for me to transfer are probably T6. Thanks!
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: Dcc617   on: January 19, at 3:00:36 pm   in: Transfers
Good grades at a mid-T14 are good enough to get a federal clerkship and biglaw. I'd only think of transferring if you'd be paying less at HYS. Otherwise the increased cost isn't worth whatever marginal gain in outcomes you'd get.
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: SolemnMan   on: January 19, at 2:58:18 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
My current understanding is that most Biglaw associates self-select out within 2-3 / 5 years because the job sucks. But if I truly want to stay on as a Biglaw associate for 8+ years (and maybe longer as counsel), can I do that even if I don't want to make partner? I.e. is there a certain level of work quality / work ethic that isn't quite enough for partner but would allow me to reasonably latch ...
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: hlsperson1111   on: January 19, at 2:17:13 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I have seen associates stay on 10-11 years at my firm. You can theoretically do it if you do good enough work and can stay busy enough to justify the salary. And if you are willing to make a bunch of lateral moves and do passable-good work, you can stay in biglaw as an associate for a long time. But there are two important things to note: (1) If you get to year 8+, the thing that is separating you...
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Transferring from a T30  
  by:   on: January 19, at 2:04:38 pm   in: Transfers
I'm in this boat with you OP.

3.8 GPA, Top 10% (literally one spot outside of Top 5%) at a T30 school. Dead set on transferring to the T14. Kinda figure I'll be in at GULC ED and then, depending on Spring grades, will take my shot at CCN. Anyone think HLS is conceivable? It's such a wild thought to me I don't even know how to process it.
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Re: The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: flyoverlawclerk47   on: January 19, at 2:04:10 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
The magistrate judge I clerked for and the district judge I currently clerk for have always hired applicants with at least two years of law school grades because they typically interview and hire one year before the scheduled clerkship. Both judges are located in non-major cities in the 4th Circuit.
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by: bob311   on: January 19, at 1:46:24 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
As a note, moving to MD won't help yet, as MD is not a UBE state until July 2019. Feb in Maryland is still the state exam.
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Re: AA MALE 3.1/163  
  by:   on: January 19, at 1:30:20 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Also I hope you ended up applying to the t14. As a URM, you are competitive at most schools. I have marginally better stats and have been very fortunate this cycle. But if you're set on BC or BU I think you could go for close to free What are your stats, if you don't mind me asking? Like you said, TLS seems to be pretty dead now when it comes to AA threads and I'd really like to see some info to ...
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Transfer: Wait for Harvard or ED UChicago?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 1:23:11 pm   in: Transfers
Hi all, I am very torn about this decision. Academic/Professional Background: I am currently at a mid-T2 school as a 1L in the Northeast. I only have my first semester grades. I got a 4.09 GPA my first semester and have a cumulative GPA of 3.98 (I took a summer course). I got two CALIs this past semester and although my school doesn't rank, I think I am probably top 3, at least in my class. In ter...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 19, at 12:47:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
Did Cooley ever make people whole for not paying summer bonus?
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Re: The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: Fireworks2016   on: January 19, at 12:36:41 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
For the current clerks out there, are your judges following the new plan--i.e. not considering current students until after their 2L year? I'd be particularly interested to know based on level of the court (district v. COA) and area of the country the extent to which it's being filed. Neither my district (2018-2019) or circuit judge (2019-2020) have any intention on following the plan. Both judge...
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Re: Chance me 3.57 GPA & 170 LSAT  
  by: L_William_W   on: January 19, at 12:34:04 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
The legal field is far from diverse. However, there are A LOT more black female attorneys than black female engineers. I was an engineering major, but switched majors because I had problems with math. To this day, I regret not grinding it out. Now, I owe $130,000 in student loans and am stuck in the legal field that I despise. All lawyers do is scheme against each other and use a lot of profanity....
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Re: SA Housing Swap Thread  
  by: amandas12   on: January 19, at 12:00:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
Looking to sublet in Palo Alto from mid-May to end of June. Please PM me if there's anything available. Thanks!
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The New Clerkship Plan  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 10:58:01 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
For the current clerks out there, are your judges following the new plan--i.e. not considering current students until after their 2L year?

I'd be particularly interested to know based on level of the court (district v. COA) and area of the country the extent to which it's being filed.
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Re: Mentioning Mental Illness in a PS  
  by: Scutrules   on: January 19, at 10:51:16 am   in: Law School Personal Statements
Late reply but figured I'd add in case anyone else is perusing these threads on Saturday nights while waiting for results to come in :) I wrote about mental illness in my statement, specifically of the aftereffects of being raped, how it impacted my life, and how I now want to be a legal advocate for those who are facing similar hardships. It's my "why law" answer and it's part of who I ...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 10:42:07 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Gotta take a survey of 900 of the highest stat/impressive softs applicants that decide to do that exact thing every single year.

Point is: It depends on the person and it isn't as clear as "take the $$$ and run" the boards make it seem out of be.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: miskellyjohnson   on: January 19, at 10:15:06 am   in: Choosing a Law School
"S" should probably be considered separately, given its geography and its tie ins with Silicon Valley. If California, or silicon valley, is what you are interested in, then S certainly offers advantages over Duke or Michigan or even CCN. As far as YH, with the way the aid is given, they consider cost of living. Even if you get "full tuition" at Columbia, you are still talking a...
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 9:31:31 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
This is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. There are ongoing discussions with NCBE (National Conference of Board Examiners who creates the exam) and the various UBE states about this issue to possibly accommodate test-takers in DC who will be impacted. Unfortunately, NCBE is not responding quick enough or providing any helpful guidance. The president of NCBE is Judith Gundersen (jgunders...
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Re: Columbia law: Biglaw placement in Boston?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 9:26:21 am   in: Choosing a Law School
You don’t hear much about Boston because it’s a smaller, secondary market.
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: SusanSays   on: January 19, at 9:13:57 am   in: Transfers
If you maintain your performance in second semester, yes, I think transferring up to a T6 is very possible. Every year there are several GULC students who make the move. That said, I agree with your suspicion that transferring may not make too much sense for you, given your scholarship. A half-ride is a hefty amount of $ to lose (transfers don't get scholarships). You'll have your pick of BigLaw ...
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Re: Hiring - Shutdown Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 8:50:42 am   in: Legal Employment
I had an interview with a federal agency a few days before the shutdown began. A few days after Christmas, one of the people I interviewed with called me to tell me that they wanted to hire me, but he needed the HR people to come back before he did so. He expected the government to open by New Year's and told me to call him if I didn't hear from him the next week. I still hadn't heard from him, s...
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: Npret   on: January 19, at 8:40:21 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
My current understanding is that most Biglaw associates self-select out within 2-3 / 5 years because the job sucks. But if I truly want to stay on as a Biglaw associate for 8+ years (and maybe longer as counsel), can I do that even if I don't want to make partner? I.e. is there a certain level of work quality / work ethic that isn't quite enough for partner but would allow me to reasonably latch ...
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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread  
  by: eternityblues   on: January 19, at 8:33:00 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
FL MC is 3 of the 4: civil/criminal procedure, Wills, corporations/partnerships, and FL Evidence. Civil/criminal procedure is the only one guaranteed each administration.

I took J18. We had Procedure, Evidence, and Corps/partnerships
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Re: Supplements for Admin and Evidence?  
  by: Lolstudent   on: January 19, at 7:10:49 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
I really like the evidence Examples and explanations.
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Re: staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 19, at 7:09:24 am   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
From what I've seen, there are firms that keep senior associates on with no intention of making them partners. So it's technically possible. But assuming that you won't get forced out before year 8 is a big assumption. A lot of associates self-select out. A lot are forced out, especially when you get to the point that your reviews are going to be focused on whether you're partner material. The oth...
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: VirginiaFan   on: January 19, at 6:42:56 am   in: Transfers
It won't let me reply anonymously, so OP please PM me. I have some anecdata that may help.
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 6:16:27 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm fortunate to be a New Jersey resident. I'm preparing the NJ application over the weekend and waiting for this "special announcement" by the WH tomorrow. Even if the shutdown ends, will there be enough time to process applications? The NJ deadline is Wednesday at 4:30 PM and the fee is $675. Should I pull the trigger and just sign up as an insurance policy? I just can't imagine the DC...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 5:31:41 am   in: Legal Employment
Cooley, because generally the general perception is that they're booming, while WSGR is kind of treading water at best
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Re: slightly below median GPA for H...get it up or just chill  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 2:11:39 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I'm going to take the alternative view. Harvard is #3 but wants to be #1. While a 0.01 difference in GPA seems trivial, if that 0.01 amounts to a difference between being above median and not being above median, it could be a significant selling point. Since the future median is unknown and since your current GPA could be at or just below it, I think it would be worth your while to take the extra ...
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Re: Study Partner/Group?  
  by:   on: January 19, at 1:51:57 am   in: LSAT Prep and Discussion Forum
Hello everyone! As you could tell in my name, I'm also new! I am interested in being part of the study group as well so please, message me if you can if you want to make a study group together
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Re: Striking Out on Clerkships -- Any Tips before Giving Up?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 1:49:21 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Didn't read the above responses, but you MUST apply to more judges (I'd say 100). Also consider having professors contact your top choice judges on your behalf.

Since you've graduated, if you have friends who are clerking/have clerked for judges, you can reach out to them to "learn about their clerkship experience" and see if anything flows from those conversations.
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Re: C and F Application help!!  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 1:18:45 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
So what would be considered detainment regarding what they are looking for? Actual detainment. As in, you weren't free to leave because you were being questioned as a person of interest. A stop-and-frisk would qualify. So would interrogation in a police station. Stop overthinking it. They aren't trying to get at anything that wouldn't exist in official records. IMO it's even a bit narrower than t...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 1:16:14 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm a midlevel at one of the top SV firms known for EC/VC work and have plenty of friends at all the local shops, including these. Cooley wins by a mile given your goals. WSGR doesn't do much early stage EC/VC work any more and is much more focused on later-stage representation. I will say that WSGR is probably top dog in the Bay Area for big ticket tech M&A (esp. public deals), but sounds li...
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Re: Department of Labor- OALJ clerkships  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 1:10:43 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I interned for a regional office over the summer, so not completely the same situation - but I really enjoyed the work there. The workload is a split of employment law cases under the longshore act and black lung act, federal whistleblower law, and BALCA immigration review decisions. Some of the cases are repetitive, for instance there is an unlimited amount of causation cases it seems. I worked ...
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Re: C and F Application help!!  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 19, at 1:08:56 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Interestingly, the question of whether or not an encounter with police qualifies as a "detainment" (and thus attaches Constitutional rights) comes up very frequently in criminal cases. If I recall correctly, the test is whether a reasonable, innocent person would believe they are free to leave. But, in my opinion, what judges think a reasonable, innocent would believe often differs widel...
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Re: Admissions index degree gpa vs cumulative  
  by: nixy   on: January 19, at 12:56:44 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I think the posts in this thread are incorrect. Most schools explicitly use a formula to combine GPA and LSAT into a single numerical value and then rank applicants based on that value , but the schools differ on the individual weights they give to GPA and LSAT. For the schools that do that, they report the specific formula they use to LSAC, and that information can be found in the document OP is...
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Re: GULC to T6?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 12:44:06 am   in: Transfers
If you maintain your performance in second semester, yes, I think transferring up to a T6 is very possible. Every year there are several GULC students who make the move. That said, I agree with your suspicion that transferring may not make too much sense for you, given your scholarship. A half-ride is a hefty amount of $ to lose (transfers don't get scholarships). You'll have your pick of BigLaw f...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 12:33:12 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Some people want the Harvard name. Some people think Harvard will lead to a better outcome than a school like Columbia. To be clear to other readers of this thread, some people do think the above, but those people are wrong. cavalier is right that YSH have the edge over the rest of the T13 for certain "unicorn" careers. But the advantage is really largely confined to YS, not YSH, and th...
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 12:28:57 am   in: Transfers
do it again or better second semester, and you'll have a shot at H (Y or S if you can get up significantly higher). I got in there with about the same grades from a lower T14. I don't know how common it is. I also would likely have gotten scholarship money from Harvard because they give scholarships as need-based aid (and I was over 29, so i qualified for the full thing according the previous tra...
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Re: EJW Fellowships 2018-2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 19, at 12:28:39 am   in: Legal Employment
I got the status update email today as well.
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Re: Columbia law: Biglaw placement in Boston?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 19, at 12:21:48 am   in: Choosing a Law School
You'd be able to get Boston BigLaw from Columbia, no question, esp. with your family ties. The bigger issue is that you probably shouldn't go to law school (any law school) because you're not sold on being a lawyer. You can (and should) defer your admission and try being a software engineer first. If you decide you want to practice law after all, law school will still be there. You won't have lost...
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: Lancair   on: January 18, at 11:52:39 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Can anyone explain to me how they are creating short condense outlines for each subject? Some rules are specifically included in the final outlines and some are only in the essay workshop. I am struggling to know how much detail to include and which way to structure my notes. I am basing my short outlines on the topics reviewed in the Ide-Don lectures. Using review of the FROs and practice questi...
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Re: Admissions index degree gpa vs cumulative  
  by: PanjandrumOfReason   on: January 18, at 11:45:08 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I think the posts in this thread are incorrect. Most schools explicitly use a formula to combine GPA and LSAT into a single numerical value and then rank applicants based on that value, but the schools differ on the individual weights they give to GPA and LSAT. For the schools that do that, they report the specific formula they use to LSAC, and that information can be found in the document OP is r...
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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 11:36:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
Median at T13 with really strong ties that went through interviews with all of the Miami big firms.. And got 0 offers. Pretty much the same story with all of the other people that I knew with somewhat comparable grades and good ties.

So yes, it is still really hard to crack into if you aren't top of the class at UM
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GULC to T6?  
  by: SusanSays   on: January 18, at 11:24:23 pm   in: Transfers
Got 3.8 in the first semester, so I'm probably among top 10% at GULC. No strong softs. I wonder if I had a good chance at T6 if I can do equally well in the second semester.
Actually I don't know whether transfer is a good idea for me. GULC offers me a half ride scholarship, and I'm afraid that I would miss OCI. My career interest is big law.
Should I transfer or just stay at GULC?
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Re: Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: yyyuppp   on: January 18, at 11:17:17 pm   in: Transfers
do it again or better second semester, and you'll have a shot at H (Y or S if you can get up significantly higher). I got in there with about the same grades from a lower T14. I don't know how common it is. I also would likely have gotten scholarship money from Harvard because they give scholarships as need-based aid (and I was over 29, so i qualified for the full thing according the previous tran...
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Re: Lateral Callback Success Rate  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: January 18, at 11:02:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
Midlevel biglaw lit, somewhat major market. Went 1 for 3 second round interviews.
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Supplements for Admin and Evidence?  
  by: hunt godlink   on: January 18, at 10:58:27 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Taking Admin and Evidence this term and would greatly appreciate if anyone has recommendations for supplements for either or both courses.
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Re: 2019 February California Bar  
  by: MBernard   on: January 18, at 10:57:49 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

a male human wrote:Is it me, or is the 2019 Feb cycle kind of dead? Like there are fewer people taking it even compared to other February exams?

No, you’re right, F18 felt more active. That’d be weird if there was a drop off in test takers. Safe to say there’ll probably be a surge in activity on the test days.
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by:   on: January 18, at 10:35:01 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
This is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. There are ongoing discussions with NCBE (National Conference of Board Examiners who creates the exam) and the various UBE states about this issue to possibly accommodate test-takers in DC who will be impacted. Unfortunately, NCBE is not responding quick enough or providing any helpful guidance. The president of NCBE is Judith Gundersen (jgunderse...
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staying in Biglaw for 8+ years: feasible if I really want it?  
  by:   on: January 18, at 10:28:11 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
My current understanding is that most Biglaw associates self-select out within 2-3 / 5 years because the job sucks. But if I truly want to stay on as a Biglaw associate for 8+ years (and maybe longer as counsel), can I do that even if I don't want to make partner? I.e. is there a certain level of work quality / work ethic that isn't quite enough for partner but would allow me to reasonably latch o...
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Columbia law: Biglaw placement in Boston?  
  by:   on: January 18, at 10:23:29 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Recently got a full ride at Columbia but ultimately want to work in Boston Biglaw (my family is there). I get that Columbia has excellent Biglaw placement but it seems like every resource I've come across has only focused on NYC Biglaw (with some fringe comments about Texas and DC). So I'm wondering if I would have a decent shot at Boston Biglaw coming out of Columbia (since I'm a 0L and don't kno...
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Top 15% at mid-T14, transfer to HYS?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 10:07:36 pm   in: Transfers
I didn't expect to do this well this semester, so I'm still kind of processing it and going over my options. Is top 15% a good enough result at a mid-T14 to give me a decent chance at transferring to HYS (and if not, what would be), and is that a good or terrible idea? I'm planning on BigLaw and also want a federal clerkship. I've got about a half-ride, but fortunately I'm in a position to pay tui...
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Re: Hiring - Shutdown Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 9:46:56 pm   in: Legal Employment
At least in my agency, some HR people are still around and they said that they will continue to process new hire paperwork for jobs that were posted before the shutdown (which is apparently their interpretation of how to implement the hiring freeze). Obviously the new hires wont be paid if the government is shutdown when they start, but it sounds like they will still be able to start. My office h...
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Lateral Callback Success Rate  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 9:45:32 pm   in: Legal Employment
For those who have lateraled, what was your interview to offer ratio? Trying to figure out chances of success once you get to the final round interview as a lateral as compared to say, an SA interview. I'm sure it depends on the firm, practice group, need, and the candidate's background, seniority, interview skills, etc., but some data points would be helpful.
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by: Npret   on: January 18, at 9:37:36 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

MariAlex wrote:I don’t know but even the thought that it won’t happen is making it very hard to study for the DC bar....

Could they move us to Maryland???
Who would do that? I’m not certain who runs the DC bar exam but I would try to find out.
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 9:34:22 pm   in: Legal Employment
Everyone at my school given these choices chooses Cooley.
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Npret   on: January 18, at 9:33:26 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
This may seem ridiculous at first glance but I think it’s a fair point. Also, apologies if this has been discussed before. If it has, just save everyone’s time and link me to that thread. Anyways, YHS do not give merit based aid correct? I can see why they don’t because of their prestige. If you go there you’ll get BigLaw and be able to pay it off or I understand their loan repayment programs are...
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Re: Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: cavalier1138   on: January 18, at 9:28:15 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
You should absolutely go to a T13 for free over HYS for biglaw. You should probably take that full ride for almost any career track. But there are "unicorn" careers, like academia, human rights, etc. that are more attainable from HYS. That doesn't mean they're realistic goals to have, or that you should ever go to HYS at sticker over a lower T13 for free. If you get decent aid at HYS, or...
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Re: Striking Out on Clerkships -- Any Tips before Giving Up?  
  by: MichelleMichelle   on: January 18, at 9:25:38 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships
2) Take a Friday, and call your top 30 judges' Chambers (yes, on the phone) and ask (a) if they are full for X/Y years, (b) if they are accepting applications and (c) how they should be submitted and if it is ok to mail it. Next Friday, do it for numbers 31-60 on the list. If the secretary waffles a bit, ask if there is a clerk in charge of clerkship hiring you can talk to. Be politely aggressive...
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Why choose YHS over the rest of T-14?  
  by: Eggs   on: January 18, at 9:22:19 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
This may seem ridiculous at first glance but I think it’s a fair point. Also, apologies if this has been discussed before. If it has, just save everyone’s time and link me to that thread. Anyways, YHS do not give merit based aid correct? I can see why they don’t because of their prestige. If you go there you’ll get BigLaw and be able to pay it off or I understand their loan repayment programs are ...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 9:14:50 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a midlevel at one of the top SV firms known for EC/VC work and have plenty of friends at all the local shops, including these. Cooley wins by a mile given your goals. WSGR doesn't do much early stage EC/VC work any more and is much more focused on later-stage representation. I will say that WSGR is probably top dog in the Bay Area for big ticket tech M&A (esp. public deals), but sounds li...
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Re: Hiring - Shutdown Question  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 9:00:19 pm   in: Legal Employment
This is based on information from current clinics/externships that are supposed to be starting in federal offices:

The part of the DOJ that handles security clearances is furloughed. So depending where you are in that process (and what the specific office requires), it might not matter whether the HR team is around.
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Those who have scored above a 260 on the UBE but below their states required score...  
  by: Darn0   on: January 18, at 8:58:57 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Looking for some guidance from those who have found themselves in a similar situation as myself. I took the July 2018 UBE. Got a 264. State I live in requires a 266. Scored above a 133 on the MBE, so I am aware that it is possible for me to waive into DC once barred in a 260 jurisdiction. I am unsure as to if I want to retake anytime soon, but as for now, I feel like I need to be at least licensed...
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Winston (CHI) v Goodwin (BOS)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 8:25:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
Considering both at this point for a corporate team. I am not from either city and I love both so it’s a tie there. I have UBE so I can easily get sworn into either as well. I’m leaning Goodwin because it’s widely considered the second or third best firm in Boston and I think that’ll help with exit opportunities later on. I don’t think Winston is considered top 5 in Chicago. Anyone have any insigh...
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Re: Working at Criminal Defense Firm while wanting to be at DA's office  
  by: encore1101   on: January 18, at 8:10:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
You may get a question or two about it, but it won't preclude you from getting hired.

The criminal prosecution clinic, however, is a great way to get some experience and your foot in the door, especially if you want to work in the office that hosts the clinic. Its not guaranteed, but I know that at least a fourth of my class had done the clinic hosted by my office.
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: 239840   on: January 18, at 8:01:30 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
You would have to be a lifetime learner to keep up with younger coders probably, but I don't know that that necessarily means you wouldn't be able to get promoted or excel. As others said, you need to be honest with yourself about what you really want to do.
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: longagotaker   on: January 18, at 7:59:37 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Can anyone explain to me how they are creating short condense outlines for each subject? Some rules are specifically included in the final outlines and some are only in the essay workshop. I am struggling to know how much detail to include and which way to structure my notes. I have been creating short outlines from the lecture notes primarily, plus any information that has come up on the essays ...
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 7:18:42 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students

Yugihoe wrote:Chill out. I had a B+, B, and B- semester one, and A-, B, B+, B second semester and I still had like 9-10 call backs.
Yes, this is the beauty of attending a T13. You can be median - or even below median - and still do just fine on the BigLaw front. Sure, having a 3.6 will give you more options, and get you into a more prestigious firm, but you can still land a market-paying job with a 3.0.
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Re: Working at Criminal Defense Firm while wanting to be at DA's office  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 7:13:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
In my experience as a prosecutor, no one would blink an eye at a defense background - it would be considered valuable perspective. It's public defenders who don't want to touch anyone who's had anything to do with prosecution (criminal defense firms are different b/c having prosecution experience usually sells well to paying clients). That said, the more court experience you can get, the better, a...
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Re: Should I Plan on Tax LLM for IRS  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 7:13:11 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
I am a current 1L at University of Pittsburgh interested in tax. I am interested in the IRS Office of Chief Counsel Honors Program and was wondering if anyone could shed light on IRS hiring of tax attorneys from non-T14 without an LLM. Do I have a shot at the Pittsburgh regional IRS office assuming good grades and tax review / law review? Do I have a shot at the D.C. IRS office? Or should I be pl...
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: Yugihoe   on: January 18, at 7:12:28 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Chill out. I had a B+, B, and B- semester one, and A-, B, B+, B second semester and I still had like 9-10 call backs.
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 18, at 7:03:21 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
How much you like a class has nothing to do with your grade. My favorite professor during all of 1L gave me my worst grade.
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Re: Chance me 3.57 GPA & 170 LSAT  
  by: dassale1   on: January 18, at 6:59:15 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
Thank you for your replies. I understand that engineering is a good field but I always wanted to be a lawyer. Do you believe that the law field is more diverse than the engineering field?

Also, what makes a strong personal statement? I really want to get into HYS!
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Re: DC Bar Exam and the shutdown?  
  by: MariAlex   on: January 18, at 6:49:09 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I don’t know but even the thought that it won’t happen is making it very hard to study for the DC bar....

Could they move us to Maryland???
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: Beatthebar89   on: January 18, at 6:45:08 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Can anyone explain to me how they are creating short condense outlines for each subject? Some rules are specifically included in the final outlines and some are only in the essay workshop. I am struggling to know how much detail to include and which way to structure my notes.
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: sting   on: January 18, at 6:40:00 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
My first grade back at MVP was also a B-, and I also panicked. The next two were A-. Got an A and an A+ in second semester and entered OCI (also targeting TX) in the top quarter. Also NA. I ended up with 6 callbacks in 2009, when most of my classmates had zero to one, and I was awful at interviews back then. The market will likely be much better for you. I ended up with a federal clerkship and am ...
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Re: Cooley Boston Corporate Thoughts?  
  by: NYCNorthbound   on: January 18, at 6:36:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks for the reply. Interested if you ended up lateraling and where you chose. Feel free to PM
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Re: Kellogg Hansen  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 6:36:12 pm   in: Legal Employment
For people considering Kellogg, don’t forget to look at salary compression. I looked into the a while ago, and though their starting comp is higher than other boutiques, I think by mid level time, you don’t make as much as other boutique associates. Not sure if that’s still true or whether their bonuses are so astronomically high that they cover the difference vs firms like Keker. They used to ju...
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Re: Should I Plan on Tax LLM for IRS  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 6:26:57 pm   in: Ask a Law Student / Graduate
2018 Summer Honors hire here to start at an SBSE field office. LLM may be helpful for the National Office or the field offices if you want to be part of LBI (Large Business/International) because the work is very technical. I don't think it's as helpful if you are SBSE (Small Business/Self-Employed), provided you take all the available tax courses offered for your JD, because the work is less tech...
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Re: California Study Group for February Bar  
  by: Beatthebar89   on: January 18, at 6:14:29 pm   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
Anyone that lives close to LA and can drive to meet up let me know. Let us start creating weekly meetings and go over this material.
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 6:08:58 pm   in: Legal Employment
Any tips for a backdoor entrance into real estate/corporate biglaw? I graduated in May '18, moved across the country to a pretty small market, passed the state's bar exam (sitting for my old home's bar in Feb), and I am currently clerking in the state's trial court. I want nothing to do with litigation, but I took this job because something is better than nothing. Top 25% at a top-50 school, law r...
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Re: EJW Fellowships 2018-2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 5:59:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
Just received confirmation that I'm still being considered (first update since the 11/28 email for me). "Thank you again for your interest in the Equal Justice Works Fellowship Program. I am writing to provide you with an update on the Fellowship selection process. As a reminder, candidates will be selected to interview with sponsors on a rolling basis through April. We began interviewing and...
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Re: UCLA C/O 22 applicants ('18-'19 cycle)  
  by: yunyyunz   on: January 18, at 5:58:55 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Accepted via phone call yesterday :D Is anyone else waiting to hear about the Epstein? Good luck to everyone still waiting!! OMG I slept in and just missed a call from LA! Dialed back but it was auto recording on the other side... sooooo nervous! I'm sure there's good news waiting for you! I actually missed the call too. Called back and someone transferred me to Dean Schwartz. Good luck!! Thank y...
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Re: How to deal with office politics?  
  by: Guchster   on: January 18, at 5:32:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
Split my summer in 2 offices, more time in office A than in office B. Really wanted to join office B but office A partners got angry, no-offered me, and gave me bad review while I did a reasonable work, made it hard for office B to hire me. Office B partner really likes me and gave me a very good recommendation for job search, still asked me for help from time to time, tried to hire me into the o...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: Npret   on: January 18, at 5:28:25 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
These are two different professions entirely. Decide which career you want not which is cheapest now.
Do some research and see what working as a lawyer entails.

If you can’t decide then go to CS, law will always be there.
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Re: How to deal with office politics?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 5:28:17 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm hesitant to read too much into a single post, but... gave me bad review while I did a reasonable work I am still stuck in the middle as 3L I have no clue whether you're a native English speaker or not, OP, but if the above is at all representative of your writing, that may be where the no-offer came from. I can very well see seniors getting bent out of shape if they had to correct your work pr...
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: BasilHallward   on: January 18, at 5:25:17 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
(1) Relax, only one grade is back. WAIT to get your other 3 grades back and go from there. (2) Feeling "good" about a final has little correlation to the final grade, because you have no clue how your peers did. Maybe you actually picked up a lot of points on this final, but your peers classmates also picked up a lot of points. It's still a curve. (3) You're at MVP. Bottom 1/4 students a...
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Re: Is there a way to take a break once you are in the law  
  by: Npret   on: January 18, at 5:25:09 pm   in: Legal Employment
IMO, TCR is to clerk. You’ll have your start date very far in advance. As a result, you can schedule the date you depart your firm for a month or two before the clerkship start date. And you’re going to a clerkship so there’s no job uncertainty. Chances are you’ll be able to go back to your firm, but if not, you’ll likely easily find something else post-clerkship...and hell maybe you’ll be able t...
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Re: How to deal with office politics?  
  by: Npret   on: January 18, at 5:22:55 pm   in: Legal Employment
I don’t think this has to do with office politics. If multiple partners in office A didn’t like you, it may have more to do with your work quality/personality. I guess for the office politics part, if the partner in office B wasn’t able to get you an offer, you shouldn’t try any longer. You’re wasting your time waiting for an offer that isn’t going to come. If he had enough pull, you would never ...
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Re: Working at Criminal Defense Firm while wanting to be at DA's office  
  by: Beatmyshorts   on: January 18, at 5:11:54 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a prosecutor. At my office, no one would hold it against you. I'm not sure how much it would help you get a job, but it wouldn't be a negative. It's not like public defense, where it's a huge problem if you have prosecutorial experience.
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Re: How to deal with office politics?  
  by: 2013   on: January 18, at 5:08:38 pm   in: Legal Employment
I don’t think this has to do with office politics. If multiple partners in office A didn’t like you, it may have more to do with your work quality/personality. I guess for the office politics part, if the partner in office B wasn’t able to get you an offer, you shouldn’t try any longer. You’re wasting your time waiting for an offer that isn’t going to come. If he had enough pull, you would never h...
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Re: University of Michigan c/o 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: sash   on: January 18, at 4:37:17 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Got an email today that begins: Thank you for your application to the University of Michigan Law School. Because you went to the effort of applying early in the admissions season, we are concerned that you may feel some disappointment at not having received your answer yet. We understand the anxiety that the law school admissions process can cause, and are therefore writing to update you on the s...
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Re: WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 4:26:41 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm a midlevel at one of the top SV firms known for EC/VC work and have plenty of friends at all the local shops, including these. Cooley wins by a mile given your goals. WSGR doesn't do much early stage EC/VC work any more and is much more focused on later-stage representation. I will say that WSGR is probably top dog in the Bay Area for big ticket tech M&A (esp. public deals), but sounds lik...
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Re: Family Law?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 4:21:38 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I'd take Family Law in your shoes, because it's actually a fun class and - as you point out - it is on the bar, saving you some effort down the road. I also think it's important to know at least a bit of Family Law anyway for personal edification.
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Re: Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 4:15:46 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
You're at a T13, and only have a single grade back so far. I think it'd be foolish to decide to drop out now on that basis. First, even at the bottom of your class, you should be able to secure a solid legal job from a T13, especially with the extra "boost" of being a racial minority. Second, at this point there is no basis for expecting that you'd end up at the bottom of your class. Bac...
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Re: How to deal with office politics?  
  by: Npret   on: January 18, at 4:11:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
It sounds like you don’t have a job. You need to be out looking for work. You’re getting to the point where firms won’t hire you until after you pass the bar.

What have you been doing?
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Public Defense Summer Funding Question  
  by:   on: January 18, at 4:09:49 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Hi all! I secured an unpaid summer internship with a public defender agency in New York, and I'm looking to crowdsource tips on securing funding. I've been scouring the internet for resources and have found lots of funding opportunities for everything BUT public defense work. And when I do find public defense funding it's tied to a separate internship program or different location. Maybe I'm not l...
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How to deal with office politics?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 4:06:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
Thanks!
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Contemplating Dropping Out - All Advice Welcomed  
  by:   on: January 18, at 4:03:31 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I am a URM, NA and MA if it matters. I go to a t14, think MVP. I have one grade back, a B-. The 2.7 roughly equates to the bottom 5-10% of exams. It was my favorite class last semester. This is the only class where I felt good about the final. I thought I even had a chance at receiving a grade above the curve. However, this course was largely recognized as a crap shoot, sort of a write fest. I'm a...
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Working at Criminal Defense Firm while wanting to be at DA's office  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 4:02:03 pm   in: Legal Employment
I am a 2L who plans to apply to the district attorney's office when I graduate. I will be interning at this office for my 2L summer. I also have and continue to take classes regarding criminal law and prosecution Recently, I noticed new opportunities for my 3L year regarding externships. A few criminal defense firms are going to hire 3Ls to work at their firms. These jobs will be paid and I would ...
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Re: University of Michigan c/o 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: mruskin   on: January 18, at 3:57:23 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists
Got an email today that begins: Thank you for your application to the University of Michigan Law School. Because you went to the effort of applying early in the admissions season, we are concerned that you may feel some disappointment at not having received your answer yet. We understand the anxiety that the law school admissions process can cause, and are therefore writing to update you on the st...
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Re: UCLA C/O 22 applicants ('18-'19 cycle)  
  by: NegusDaHabesha   on: January 18, at 3:48:00 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

yunyyunz wrote:
NegusDaHabesha wrote:Accepted via phone call yesterday Is anyone else waiting to hear about the Epstein? Good luck to everyone still waiting!!

OMG I slept in and just missed a call from LA! Dialed back but it was auto recording on the other side... sooooo nervous!


I'm sure there's good news waiting for you! I actually missed the call too. Called back and someone transferred me to Dean Schwartz. Good luck!!
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Re: Is there a way to take a break once you are in the law  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 3:46:24 pm   in: Legal Employment
I've had officially taken multiple 2+ month breaks from the law to return to firms but it took me switching firms. I would get a new job and ask to start in a few months, quit my job and then take 2-3 months to take a break and travel. Definitely recommend this, feels like I have had two separate sabbaticals already and I'm only a mid-level associate. Of course, you need to leave your firm to do t...
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Re: Boutique vs. Big Firm help  
  by: SFSpartan   on: January 18, at 3:35:34 pm   in: Legal Employment
For boutiques, you really need to be in the right boutique. The right boutique can be amazing, but the wrong one can be an awful experience. Be sure to check the attrition of attorneys at the boutique on a website like LinkedIn. It can provide some insight. Many boutiques have no-to-little attrition to other firms. I agree with this, and it's an important caveat I should have mentioned in my prev...
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 3:34:51 pm   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:Is the standard rate for clerkship bonuses still 50/70k? Or has there been some upward movement in recent months/years given the economy and general big law salary increases?

Just one data point but I'm a current two-year district court clerk who accepted an offer from a V50 firm with 70k bonus. No upward movement for me.
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Re: NY Law Students: Professor Ari Waldman  
  by: ezekiel35   on: January 18, at 3:18:13 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
excuse the bump!
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: Yugihoe   on: January 18, at 3:17:05 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
From a purely money perspective, make sure you account for opportunity cost of law school in terms of time. Even on a full ride, for instance if you can make 100k doing something non-law, it will still take a few years of big law (which by the way sucks as you know) to "break even." I started law school in 2014 with similar conditions to you while already making close to 100k and I calcu...
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WSGR vs Cooley (both PA) for ECVC Work  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 3:12:08 pm   in: Legal Employment
I have offers from both firms as a junior lateral. My goal is to do EC/VC work and some M&A work in tandem. I'd greatly appreciate folks' thoughts. Thanks!
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Re: 1st sem 3.2+ GPA at T20 - What to do?  
  by: cam1992   on: January 18, at 3:04:13 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I was in a very similar situation except my GPA was closer to a 3.0. At least in my experience, I found that my first semester grades were not reflective of what I could accomplish in law school. If it gives you any hope, I finished my second semester well into the top 25% of my class (for that semester). I would suggest immediately meeting with all of your professors and seeing what you did wrong...
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Re: Stanford c/o 2022 ('18-'19 Cycle)  
  by: Dalanne89   on: January 18, at 3:01:47 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

Billyboy wrote:LETS GOOOO. In via email today!

Congratulations! When did you apply?
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Family Law?  
  by: cam1992   on: January 18, at 2:53:44 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
Any thoughts on the usefulness of taking family law? I don't really see it coming in handy in my professional life as I am going the big firm route; however, I have an opening in my schedule and I really like the professor. I know it is on the bar, so that would be my main impetus for taking it. My other choice would be a writing seminar on a topic that is of personal interest, but is also totally...
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1st sem 3.2+ GPA at T20 - What to do?  
  by: SgtHammer   on: January 18, at 2:51:04 pm   in: Forum for Law School Students
I am typing this sort of in a panic attack so please forgive me if I sound a little crazy. I am a 1L at a T20 law school and I literally just received my grades a while ago. I was honestly expecting something in the 3.4-3.6 range, but the actual number is 3.22. To be honest, I feel very crushed. Obviously, everybody wants to do well and get good grades, but for me, something I always wanted to do ...
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 2:38:10 pm   in: Legal Employment
Recent grad here -- I struggled to find a full-time job until I finally passed the California bar. I've been applying for jobs since August. Out of 300 applications (all public interest employers), I managed to get 15 interviews. Out of those interviews, I finally got an offer. It was definitely a roller coaster ride, but staying optimistic and grinding every day goes a long way. Things will work...
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Re: Boutique vs. Big Firm help  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 2:36:52 pm   in: Legal Employment
For boutiques, you really need to be in the right boutique. The right boutique can be amazing, but the wrong one can be an awful experience. Be sure to check the attrition of attorneys at the boutique on a website like LinkedIn. It can provide some insight. Many boutiques have no-to-little attrition to other firms. I agree with this, and it's an important caveat I should have mentioned in my prev...
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Re: Cooley Boston Corporate Thoughts?  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 2:34:35 pm   in: Legal Employment
Not sure where you got 120, but the Boston office is nowhere near that (I considered a lateral position there a few months ago). I think it was around 80-85 attorneys and patent agents. The office still seemed very focused on hard IP even though it has a sizable corporate practice now. Also, to put things into perspective, when I considered Cooley back in 2013, it was at 55ish attorneys. So I don’...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 2:33:30 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
CS and law are two extremely different professions. What do you actually want to do? What did you major in in college? If you were a CS major (presumably, since you've now been admitted to a CS grad program), have you tried working in tech at all? If not, that's what I'd recommend doing. Defer the CLS admission, actually work as a software engineer for a year, and see how you like it. The general ...
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Re: Columbia Law job prospects OUTSIDE of the US?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 2:27:33 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
If you want to do consulting or whatever, get an MBA not a JD. I write to emphasize the above. I note that OP, in listing desirable jobs, listed management, then consulting, and only listed working as a lawyer third . I don't want to overread, but that is not an encouraging sign in favor of attending law school. OP, if your preferred post-graduation outcome is a management or consulting role, ple...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: QContinuum   on: January 18, at 2:17:27 pm   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Don't do it. Stay in engineering. I entered college as a civil engineering major switched majors since I hated math. To this day, I regret my decision. Engineering is my passion. America is inundated with lawyers, but not that many people are in STEM fields. All lawyers care about is money and all they do is lie and stab each other in the back. You're making good money and helping society. Don't ...
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Re: Boutique vs. Big Firm help  
  by: SFSpartan   on: January 18, at 1:51:23 pm   in: Legal Employment
Boutiques have even less of HR structure/support than biglaw, and also don't have alternative partners/management to approach if someone is treating you poorly. Would call particular attention to this part of anon's (excellent) post, as it highlights what can be the most difficult part of working in a boutique (or in certain satellite offices of biglaw). One of the things I didn't really realize ...
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Re: District Attorney's Office 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 1:44:13 pm   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know how the background checks for NYC offices work?
Can't speak to any office but DANY but they take your fingerprints and give you a few forms to fill out. They'll send a letter to your last 3 employers and your last 3 educational institutions. You'll also have the detective running your investigation do a home visit.
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Re: UCLA C/O 22 applicants ('18-'19 cycle)  
  by: yunyyunz   on: January 18, at 1:21:59 pm   in: Law School Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists

NegusDaHabesha wrote:Accepted via phone call yesterday Is anyone else waiting to hear about the Epstein? Good luck to everyone still waiting!!

OMG I slept in and just missed a call from LA! Dialed back but it was auto recording on the other side... sooooo nervous!
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Re: The Vale of Tears (3L Job Hunting) (No advice for 0/1/2Ls)  
  by:   on: January 18, at 1:15:02 pm   in: Legal Employment
An introduction I guess, since I'll probably be on this thread for the next year. I'm a below median student at a T30 with a 3.3 gpa. I just got my grades back from fall semester and I'm thinking of just giving up. I was hoping to get better grades and raise my school rank but I did even worse than the prior semester. It hurts even more because I thought I did a much better job studying this time ...
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by: Love With The Coco   on: January 18, at 1:05:37 pm   in: Legal Employment
Given last year's raise, it won't happen unless firms slim down. Plus, geography and morale. Forcing another NY raise when there isn't motivation to pay all US associates the same forces firms to pay distinct salaries for people in the same year. At my NY firm, there was a lot of talk about if salaries would be raised for associates outside NY, and it took almost a week after the NY announcement ...
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Re: Is there a way to take a break once you are in the law  
  by: albanach   on: January 18, at 12:56:40 pm   in: Legal Employment
IMO, TCR is to clerk. You’ll have your start date very far in advance. As a result, you can schedule the date you depart your firm for a month or two before the clerkship start date. And you’re going to a clerkship so there’s no job uncertainty. Chances are you’ll be able to go back to your firm, but if not, you’ll likely easily find something else post-clerkship...and hell maybe you’ll be able t...
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Re: Listing CLE's on resume  
  by: Guchster   on: January 18, at 12:56:14 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm an attorney who's admitted in NY and NJ. I'm currently at a job at a law firm where I'm basically a paralegal making McDonalds wages. I've been there for a year and want to move on to greener pastures. However, I don't have much legal experience other than school clinics and the 50 hour New York pro bono requirement. I'm considering beefing up my resume by listing the CLE's that I've complete...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: BrainsyK   on: January 18, at 12:51:42 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I have to choose between going to CLS tuition-free (and most likely pursuing BigLaw) and paying full price for a master's in Computer Science at Columbia (finish in one year) and shooting for software engineering jobs. Thoughts on long-term career and earnings prospects of the two paths? I'm also patent bar eligible if that makes any difference. My current thoughts are: early career BigLaw will m...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: albanach   on: January 18, at 12:48:06 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I agree with this. CLS on a full ride is an amazing opportunity. I would think that anyone who really wants to be a lawyer would jump on that. That's the important bit. Is OP looking to be a lawyer, or just make a lot of money? Also, I'm not sure I agree that in-house would have lower earning potential mid-career than a software engineer. Most of my undergrad friends went into EE, CS, or CE (at p...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: dabigchina   on: January 18, at 12:24:02 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
I have no idea what career prospects are like for a masters in cs from columbia. All I know is i'd probably rather be in cs than law because cs seems to have decent pay and good work life balance.
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: Anonguy715   on: January 18, at 12:23:56 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Sounds like you don't really want to be a lawyer. Or a software engineer for that matter. I agree with this. CLS on a full ride is an amazing opportunity. I would think that anyone who really wants to be a lawyer would jump on that. Also, I'm not sure I agree that in-house would have lower earning potential mid-career than a software engineer. Most of my undergrad friends went into EE, CS, or CE ...
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Re: Columbia Law job prospects OUTSIDE of the US?  
  by: albanach   on: January 18, at 12:22:25 pm   in: Choosing a Law School
Also, make sure you understand the additional training requirements to qualify as an attorney in whichever country you may end up in. You may end up requiring two years practicing as a trainee to be admitted to the local bar.
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Re: 1L SA Thread C/O 2021  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 12:16:46 pm   in: Legal Employment
Seems like alot of markets are moving slow, not many offers I've heard
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Re: Chance me 3.57 GPA & 170 LSAT  
  by: albanach   on: January 18, at 12:11:07 pm   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
I hate talking about race, but objectively speaking, an African-American with a 170 LSAT can get into practically any law school in America. You can definitely get into Columbia or NYU. Just write a solid personal statement. And just for the record, I think you should stay in engineering. Lawyers are a dime a dozen in America. However, there aren't that many people in STEM fields, particularly wo...
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Re: Listing CLE's on resume  
  by: albanach   on: January 18, at 12:08:28 pm   in: Legal Employment
I'm an attorney who's admitted in NY and NJ. I'm currently at a job at a law firm where I'm basically a paralegal making McDonalds wages. I've been there for a year and want to move on to greener pastures. However, I don't have much legal experience other than school clinics and the 50 hour New York pro bono requirement. I'm considering beefing up my resume by listing the CLE's that I've complete...
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Re: CLS tuition-free or pursue a career in CS?  
  by: kingpin101   on: January 18, at 11:58:44 am   in: Choosing a Law School
Sounds like you don't really want to be a lawyer. Or a software engineer for that matter.
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: inyourhonor07   on: January 18, at 11:43:49 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum
I'm at 61%, but I started in November and intend to finish at 100%. My MBE scores are starting to get better now that I'm done with all the lectures and I can focus more. Do the lectures basically finish around the 50% mark? No. I'm taking the IL bar, so I have more lectures than everyone taking the UBE (lots of IL distinction lectures). I think I was around 56% when I realized I still had 4-5 mo...
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Re: District Attorney's Office 2019  
  by: encore1101   on: January 18, at 11:25:21 am   in: Legal Employment

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know how the background checks for NYC offices work?

Just based on my experience: they run your rap sheet and interview your neighbors. Probably run your fingerprints in FBI database. Look for any reason to dig any further. If there's nothing that gives them initial pause, then they won't. If they see a loose thread, they'll pull it and see where it leads.
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: albanach   on: January 18, at 11:25:07 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
I think I’d be happy with either career, although I like the versatility law will bring me. What versatility do you think a JD brings? It qualifies you to be a lawyer. A very small number will work on a path that takes then in-house and then into a management role in a legal heavy area like compliance, HR, or real estate. Certainly there are numerous legal fields, however once you separate litiga...
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Re: Engineering to Law - should I do it?  
  by: L_William_W   on: January 18, at 10:59:23 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Don't do it. Stay in engineering. I entered college as a civil engineering major switched majors since I hated math. To this day, I regret my decision. Engineering is my passion. America is inundated with lawyers, but not that many people are in STEM fields. All lawyers care about is money and all they do is lie and stab each other in the back. You're making good money and helping society. Don't m...
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Listing CLE's on resume  
  by: L_William_W   on: January 18, at 10:56:03 am   in: Legal Employment
I'm an attorney who's admitted in NY and NJ. I'm currently at a job at a law firm where I'm basically a paralegal making McDonalds wages. I've been there for a year and want to move on to greener pastures. However, I don't have much legal experience other than school clinics and the 50 hour New York pro bono requirement. I'm considering beefing up my resume by listing the CLE's that I've completed...
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Re: Chance me 3.57 GPA & 170 LSAT  
  by: L_William_W   on: January 18, at 10:52:12 am   in: Under Represented Law Student Forum
I hate talking about race, but objectively speaking, an African-American with a 170 LSAT can get into practically any law school in America. You can definitely get into Columbia or NYU. Just write a solid personal statement. And just for the record, I think you should stay in engineering. Lawyers are a dime a dozen in America. However, there aren't that many people in STEM fields, particularly wom...
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Re: District Attorney's Office 2019  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 10:41:08 am   in: Legal Employment
Anyone know how the background checks for NYC offices work?
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Re: Choosing where to Transfer  
  by: med81   on: January 18, at 10:31:53 am   in: Transfers
First, congrats on your first-semester success! A few thoughts: ⋅ First and foremost, the most important thing affecting your ability to transfer will be your 1L grades (both semesters). Keep your foot on the gas; take nothing for granted. I'm not trying to be pessimistic but there's no guarantee that you'll still be in the top 5% at the end of 1L. If you're not, that will significantly...
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 10:28:39 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

MichelleMichelle wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Man, things really seem to be crawling along. Has anybody heard anything or had any callbacks or interviews in Chicago?

Also interested. Any Chicago movement out there?

Same, but for Houston? Radio silence so far.
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Re: Waitlisted at Cardozo with good numbers  
  by: 239840   on: January 18, at 10:08:16 am   in: Law School Admissions Forum
Unlike medicine or some other fields, the LSAT really seems to me to be the big "test" that defines so much of your career in law. You can determine so much with just your LSAT score. Well, a low MCAT score just keeps people from ever going to med school. Unlike the ABA, the powers-that-be who oversee med schools decided that barriers to entry should exist before eager young professiona...
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Recruiters - bad idea for post-clerkship employment?  
  by: allisonslav   on: January 18, at 10:01:54 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
I've heard some people say that firms don't like it when clerks use recruiters (they have to pay your clerk bonus + the recruiter fee), but others say that the money is chump change for a big firm and a recruiter could be the best way to get your foot in the door. Thoughts?
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Re: Kellogg Hansen  
  by: PeanutsNJam   on: January 18, at 9:48:14 am   in: Legal Employment
For people considering Kellogg, don’t forget to look at salary compression. I looked into the a while ago, and though their starting comp is higher than other boutiques, I think by mid level time, you don’t make as much as other boutique associates.

Not sure if that’s still true or whether their bonuses are so astronomically high that they cover the difference vs firms like Keker.
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: MichelleMichelle   on: January 18, at 9:30:44 am   in: Judicial Clerkships

Anonymous User wrote:Man, things really seem to be crawling along. Has anybody heard anything or had any callbacks or interviews in Chicago?

Also interested. Any Chicago movement out there?
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Re: Is there a way to take a break once you are in the law  
  by:   on: January 18, at 9:29:42 am   in: Legal Employment
Returning to biglaw can be harder than getting there.

Disregard the advice to have a child, as a means of getting a break from biglaw.
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Re: NY to 210k  
  by:   on: January 18, at 9:24:08 am   in: Legal Employment
Given last year's raise, it won't happen unless firms slim down. Plus, geography and morale. Forcing another NY raise when there isn't motivation to pay all US associates the same forces firms to pay distinct salaries for people in the same year. At my NY firm, there was a lot of talk about if salaries would be raised for associates outside NY, and it took almost a week after the NY announcement f...
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Re: Dropping out  
  by: rwhyAn   on: January 18, at 8:36:58 am   in: Forum for Law School Students
OP, are your grades the only reason for considering dropping out? Do you actually want to be a lawyer and will your debt be manageable? My grades during 1L were slightly above median, but pretty mediocre. I ended up raising my grades substantially over the remaining years and ended up graduating top 10%. It can be done, but it will take some extra effort.
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Re: Is there a way to take a break once you are in the law  
  by: objctnyrhnr   on: January 18, at 8:20:24 am   in: Legal Employment
IMO, TCR is to clerk. You’ll have your start date very far in advance. As a result, you can schedule the date you depart your firm for a month or two before the clerkship start date. And you’re going to a clerkship so there’s no job uncertainty. Chances are you’ll be able to go back to your firm, but if not, you’ll likely easily find something else post-clerkship...and hell maybe you’ll be able to...
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Cooley Boston Corporate Thoughts?  
  by: NYCNorthbound   on: January 18, at 7:46:49 am   in: Legal Employment
Hi guys - just wondering if people could shed some light on what the Cooley Boston office is like and what their corporate group looks like/work it does. It seems like they've been growing pretty quickly (120 lawyers now) and have a full spectrum of corporate practice (emerging company, PE M&A and Capital markets). Do associates work on all of those areas or specialize? Do people make their ho...
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Littler Summer Associate Pay  
  by:   on: January 18, at 7:29:11 am   in: Legal Employment
Does anyone know what summer associates make at Littler Mendelson? Thanks!
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Re: THEMIS DISCUSSION - FEBRUARY 2019  
  by: KPocius   on: January 18, at 7:15:30 am   in: Bar Exam Prep and Discussion Forum

zmg100 wrote:
inyourhonor07 wrote:I'm at 61%, but I started in November and intend to finish at 100%.

My MBE scores are starting to get better now that I'm done with all the lectures and I can focus more.

Do the lectures basically finish around the 50% mark?

I am currently at 52% and still have 4 MEE topics left, so I would say somewhere around 57%
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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 7:09:50 am   in: Judicial Clerkships
Got dinged post-callback for my #1 choice--MTO. Sad day.
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Re: Kellogg Hansen  
  by: Anonymous User   on: January 18, at 7:08:23 am   in: Legal Employment
To any of the posters above who have interviews scheduled with Kellogg, do you mind sharing when (roughly) you first sent in your applications? I sent mine in a few weeks back when I received their letter inviting me to apply, but I never heard back. I assume they decided my grades weren't quite high enough, but I'm just curious about your timeline. Any insight into their process would be appreci...
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