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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Yeah, except you should retake, and maybe re-write your app too if other people in similar positions have been admitted.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Posting after reviewing the standard sites. I noticed that I have been waitlisted at several schools (T20) and ghosted by others, even though those with similar stats were admitted. Happy that I haven't been outright denied, but curious if chances are realistic. Applied using fee waivers. 162 is my retake score. Already admitted into other schools.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Not retaking. There is just not enough data for people with my numbers...Graybrow wrote:Yeah, except you should retake, and maybe re-write your app too if other people in similar positions have been admitted.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Posting after reviewing the standard sites. I noticed that I have been waitlisted at several schools (T20) and ghosted by others, even though those with similar stats were admitted. Happy that I haven't been outright denied, but curious if chances are realistic. Applied using fee waivers. 162 is my retake score. Already admitted into other schools.
Softs: 10 years of work experience. Self published author. Master's degree (3.5).
Any feedback helps (except "retake").
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
When applicants struggle to find data with their numbers it usually means 1) the applicant is an extreme splitter, 2) the lack of available data reflects how applicants with similar numbers did not bother applying, or 3) applicants did not bother to share their cycle outcomes. The last two tend to mean that the applicants probably retook, decided to forgo school, or attended a law school they rather not share on LSN or TLS (or reddit).Aspire2bEsquire wrote:
Not retaking. There is just not enough data for people with my numbers...
PS I'm generalizing
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
TBH, all anyone on here is gonna tell you is to retake. The only alternative at this point would be to ride out the wait lists...if you get into a school you want to attend, then great. If not, I'd spend time overhauling my apps (PS, DS, Why X...maybe revisit recs too) and apply next cycle if you're set on not retaking.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Thank you for this. I figured someone on this site may have a perspective that could not be gleaned from the standard go to sources.FN-2187 wrote:When applicants struggle to find data with their numbers it usually means 1) the applicant is an extreme splitter, 2) the lack of available data reflects how applicants with similar numbers did not bother applying, or 3) applicants did not bother to share their cycle outcomes. The last two tend to mean that the applicants probably retook, decided to forgo school, or attended a law school they rather not share on LSN or TLS (or reddit).Aspire2bEsquire wrote:
Not retaking. There is just not enough data for people with my numbers...
PS I'm generalizing
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Looking for feedback for stats as is. I have been accepted into other schools so I will not be waiting a cycle. Thank you for your response.CT6 wrote:TBH, all anyone on here is gonna tell you is to retake. The only alternative at this point would be to ride out the wait lists...if you get into a school you want to attend, then great. If not, I'd spend time overhauling my apps (PS, DS, Why X...maybe revisit recs too) and apply next cycle if you're set on not retaking.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Well, you've gotten your feedback for your current stats. If you don't need a T13 degree (or a decent regional school for free), then you do you. It's probably not going to be the best decision you've ever made, but if you don't want to follow advice, there's no point in continually asking for it.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Looking for feedback for stats as is. I have been accepted into other schools so I will not be waiting a cycle. Thank you for your response.CT6 wrote:TBH, all anyone on here is gonna tell you is to retake. The only alternative at this point would be to ride out the wait lists...if you get into a school you want to attend, then great. If not, I'd spend time overhauling my apps (PS, DS, Why X...maybe revisit recs too) and apply next cycle if you're set on not retaking.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
If you want to make the [collection of future data for applicants with your stats] a better place, take a look at yourself, and make a change [by creating and updating an LSN profile (with a different username that TLS if you want) if you haven't already done so].
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Maybe you misunderstood my intent with this post.cavalier1138 wrote:Well, you've gotten your feedback for your current stats. If you don't need a T13 degree (or a decent regional school for free), then you do you. It's probably not going to be the best decision you've ever made, but if you don't want to follow advice, there's no point in continually asking for it.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Looking for feedback for stats as is. I have been accepted into other schools so I will not be waiting a cycle. Thank you for your response.CT6 wrote:TBH, all anyone on here is gonna tell you is to retake. The only alternative at this point would be to ride out the wait lists...if you get into a school you want to attend, then great. If not, I'd spend time overhauling my apps (PS, DS, Why X...maybe revisit recs too) and apply next cycle if you're set on not retaking.
This is my first post. There's is no "continually."
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Yet within this thread, you have continually refused to consider any advice that involves retaking, which is literally the only thing you can do (based on the info we have) to improve your results.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Maybe you misunderstood my intent with this post.cavalier1138 wrote:Well, you've gotten your feedback for your current stats. If you don't need a T13 degree (or a decent regional school for free), then you do you. It's probably not going to be the best decision you've ever made, but if you don't want to follow advice, there's no point in continually asking for it.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Looking for feedback for stats as is. I have been accepted into other schools so I will not be waiting a cycle. Thank you for your response.CT6 wrote:TBH, all anyone on here is gonna tell you is to retake. The only alternative at this point would be to ride out the wait lists...if you get into a school you want to attend, then great. If not, I'd spend time overhauling my apps (PS, DS, Why X...maybe revisit recs too) and apply next cycle if you're set on not retaking.
This is my first post. There's is no "continually."
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
I've done that. Reviewed mylsn as well. I posted here because the numbers seemed to be hit or miss for my stats.FN-2187 wrote:If you want to make the [collection of future data for applicants with your stats] a better place, take a look at yourself, and make a change [by creating and updating an LSN profile (with a different username that TLS if you want) if you haven't already done so].
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
...there are plenty of data points for people with your numbers. You're not in splitter territory. Your LSAT is ok, but not good enough to wash your GPA out and being a self-published author is hardly a notable soft. I can publish a book on Amazon right now.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Not retaking. There is just not enough data for people with my numbers...Graybrow wrote:Yeah, except you should retake, and maybe re-write your app too if other people in similar positions have been admitted.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Posting after reviewing the standard sites. I noticed that I have been waitlisted at several schools (T20) and ghosted by others, even though those with similar stats were admitted. Happy that I haven't been outright denied, but curious if chances are realistic. Applied using fee waivers. 162 is my retake score. Already admitted into other schools.
Softs: 10 years of work experience. Self published author. Master's degree (3.5).
Any feedback helps (except "retake").
If people with similar numbers to you are getting into T13 (there probably aren't many of them), they likely have some spectacular soft that you lack, or, your application (i.e. Personal Statement, LORs) is really poor.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking but is seems as though you want to know if you have a significant shot at making it off the waitlist. No, you don't. Most people on waitlists do not make it off. I'm not going to restate the very, very good advice you've received here. I will say that as a splitter URM who took the advice of others InRe LSATs I received multiple offers from T14 and every one of them offered enough money to bring the annual COA below 20k. PM me if you're interested in having a discussion that explores all possibilities, otherwise, best of luck with the rest of your cycle.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Thank you for this! Will PM.TripleM wrote:I'm not sure exactly what you're asking but is seems as though you want to know if you have a significant shot at making it off the waitlist. No, you don't. Most people on waitlists do not make it off. I'm not going to restate the very, very good advice you've received here. I will say that as a splitter URM who took the advice of others InRe LSATs I received multiple offers from T14 and every one of them offered enough money to bring the annual COA below 20k. PM me if you're interested in having a discussion that explores all possibilities, otherwise, best of luck with the rest of your cycle.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Thank you for your honest feedback.cuzzydunlop wrote:...there are plenty of data points for people with your numbers. You're not in splitter territory. Your LSAT is ok, but not good enough to wash your GPA out and being a self-published author is hardly a notable soft. I can publish a book on Amazon right now.Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Not retaking. There is just not enough data for people with my numbers...Graybrow wrote:Aspire2bEsquire wrote:Posting after reviewing the standard sites. I noticed that I have been waitlisted at several schools (T20) and ghosted by others, even though those with similar stats were admitted. Happy that I haven't been outright denied, but curious if chances are realistic. Applied using fee waivers. 162 is my retake score. Already admitted into other schools.
Softs: 10 years of work experience. Self published author. Master's degree (3.5).
Any feedback helps (except "retake").
Yeah, except you should retake, and maybe re-write your app too if other people in similar positions have been admitted.
If people with similar numbers to you are getting into T13 (there probably aren't many of them), they likely have some spectacular soft that you lack, or, your application (i.e. Personal Statement, LORs) is really poor.
I was basing the returns on the mylsn.info site as far as the t14. I didn't see that many applications updated for those schools (for URM only). I do have other softs, which is why I think I was waitlisted rather than completely denied.
If I seem defensive, it is because I am unable to retake but...that was the first response I received.
My stats are also similar to someone who does not use this site. We both have spent time in DC (re: softs) and this information will be passed to her as well.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
I can think of few ways that someone is unable to retake while still maintaining the ability to attend law school in the fall
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Good to know.
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Re: 162 / 3.0 / URM T14/ Non Traditional
Thanks for the responses. Taking information into consideration.
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Just a word of caution on softs -- everyone thinks they have strong softs. Compared to the competitive applicant pool for T13's, "strong softs" are truly outstanding things. Work experience, etc are not really strong softs. They'll only move the needle if it's you vs. a K-JD with the same stats.
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That makes sense. Thanks!cuzzydunlop wrote:Just a word of caution on softs -- everyone thinks they have strong softs. Compared to the competitive applicant pool for T13's, "strong softs" are truly outstanding things. Work experience, etc are not really strong softs. They'll only move the needle if it's you vs. a K-JD with the same stats.
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