3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

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3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby M. Yass » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:49 pm

I want to end up in big law, and have figured either BU or Duke will give me the best chance of getting there. I plan on working for a year after I finish undergrad (graduating this Spring) since I have something lined up that pays pretty well, but want to know what my chances are with a 161 LSAT. I hardly studied, so if a higher score is a must I think I could grind it out (logic games killed me). Will it help that I am on my school's student run investment fund or that I'll be working in banking or that I'm hispanic?

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:58 pm

Ok, so a lot to unpack here.

M. Yass wrote:I want to end up in big law, and have figured either BU or Duke will give me the best chance of getting there.


I understand how Duke would make your list, but how the hell did BU end up as your top choice for biglaw placement? If your goal is biglaw, you should be T13-or-bust, which is completely reasonable with your GPA.

M. Yass wrote:I plan on working for a year after I finish undergrad (graduating this Spring) since I have something lined up that pays pretty well, but want to know what my chances are with a 161 LSAT.


Good. Take some time to work and study up for the LSAT. You have about a 0% chance of getting in to a school that gets you biglaw with your current numbers, unless you're a URM. Speaking of which...

M. Yass wrote:Will it help that I am on my school's student run investment fund or that I'll be working in banking or that I'm hispanic?


What kind of Hispanic?

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby M. Yass » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:03 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:Ok, so a lot to unpack here.

M. Yass wrote:I want to end up in big law, and have figured either BU or Duke will give me the best chance of getting there.


I understand how Duke would make your list, but how the hell did BU end up as your top choice for biglaw placement? If your goal is biglaw, you should be T13-or-bust, which is completely reasonable with your GPA.

M. Yass wrote:I plan on working for a year after I finish undergrad (graduating this Spring) since I have something lined up that pays pretty well, but want to know what my chances are with a 161 LSAT.


Good. Take some time to work and study up for the LSAT. You have about a 0% chance of getting in to a school that gets you biglaw with your current numbers, unless you're a URM. Speaking of which...

M. Yass wrote:Will it help that I am on my school's student run investment fund or that I'll be working in banking or that I'm hispanic?


What kind of Hispanic?


Cuban

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:05 pm

I believe Cubans do not get a boost (double-check in the URM forum if you want to be sure), so you absolutely should take some time to actually prepare for the test and retake.

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby Rigo » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:11 pm

Chances look bleak with a 161.

LG is the easiest section to improve on pretty rapidly.
Break out the 7sage videos and get drilling games.

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby cavalier1138 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:04 pm

Bumblefly94 wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:Ok, so a lot to unpack here.

I understand how Duke would make your list, but how the hell did BU end up as your top choice for biglaw placement? If your goal is biglaw, you should be T13-or-bust, which is completely reasonable with your GPA.


This is wrong. Obviously, the higher ranked the school the better, but it also depends a lot on how well you do. If you go to Harvard and are 100th in your class and don't make law review, then firms may be more impressed by someone who is top 10% at BU and is on law review. I work at a firm that's is rightfully considered "big law" (top 20 Vault rankings), and our head of recruiting says they'll look at anyone who is at the top of their class. If you want to go do big law, then just do well at whatever school you end up at.


Quoting for you to look back on after law school and marvel at how ridiculous this post was.

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby Platopus » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:19 pm

Bumblefly94 wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:Ok, so a lot to unpack here.

I understand how Duke would make your list, but how the hell did BU end up as your top choice for biglaw placement? If your goal is biglaw, you should be T13-or-bust, which is completely reasonable with your GPA.


This is wrong. Obviously, the higher ranked the school the better, but it also depends a lot on how well you do. If you go to Harvard and are 100th in your class and don't make law review, then firms may be more impressed by someone who is top 10% at BU and is on law review. I work at a firm that's is rightfully considered "big law" (top 20 Vault rankings), and our head of recruiting says they'll look at anyone who is at the top of their class. If you want to go do big law, then just do well at whatever school you end up at.


1) Not that this is your point, but 100th at Harvard is better than top 20%, and that person will absolutely have an easier time than someone top 10% at BU

2) Your username implies you were born in 1994, which puts you at 23 years old, so you are most certainly not an attorney - so I would be careful about making pronouncements about V20 hiring practices

3) "Just do well at whatever school you end up at" is awful, potentially life-ruining advice. Don't ruin someone's life by giving them shitty advice. There is no way to guarantee you will "just do well" in law school. All your classmates will be smart, hardworking, and gunning like hell for the top of the class, so that they too can snag a Big Law job. You have soooooo much more room for error at a school like Harvard than you do at BU.

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby jazzy24 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:47 am

"T-13 or bust" is not exactly true. I know L3s from Fordham and Emory who were offered Associate jobs with top 5 Big Law Firms. I believe that Bumblefly94 has a point. If you are a top student at a non T-13 law school, you are not precluded from a job in Big Law. Obviously being a top student at a T13 is better, but people have different reasons for picking where they go to law school. So let's all be supportive of each other.

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby Mullens » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:11 am

jazzy24 wrote:"T-13 or bust" is not exactly true. I know L3s from Fordham and Emory who were offered Associate jobs with top 5 Big Law Firms. I believe that Bumblefly94 has a point. If you are a top student at a non T-13 law school, you are not precluded from a job in Big Law. Obviously being a top student at a T13 is better, but people have different reasons for picking where they go to law school. So let's all be supportive of each other.


Advocating that people go to schools that are unlikely to help someone achieve their goals is not supportive. And yeah sure it's not T13 or bust for everyone and for some people taking a full ride at a regional school might make sense. But not for people with 3.8 GPAs like OP who could easily get big money at a T13 with a retake and also get a much easier path to their goal.

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Re: 3.8 GPA / 161 LSAT chances?

Postby cavalier1138 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:00 pm

Can we quarantine all the dumbass "I know a 3L at John Marshall who..." stories in this thread?




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