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Sounder89 wrote:I've heard George Mason is fratty, in terms of being Conservative and southern. But true bros wouldn't go anywhere other than UVA, Vandy or Duke.

Edit: and UGA

UVA yes
Vandy yes
UGA yes
Duke no

Duke is east coast, most students are from the north. Not a frat scene

And there is no way in hell that George Mason is fratty

I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school. And George Mason is in the South and generally conservative, no?

Sounder89 wrote:I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school. And George Mason is in the South and generally conservative, no?

I think they're conservative but not necessarily fratty. I have to admit that my experience w George Masonites is limited, though

Conservatism, percentage of students in Greek life, students style (guys in polos and visors and girls in dresses) are good indicators for frattines in undergrad institutions.

So by that standard W&L and UVA are super fratty. I still think Duke undergrad is more east coast/northeast. It's got a lot of northerners and Asians instead of bros with visors and croakies

mr.hands wrote:
I think they're conservative but not necessarily fratty. I have to admit that my experience w George Masonites is limited, though

Conservatism, percentage of students in Greek life, students style (guys in polos and visors and girls in dresses) are good indicators for frattines in undergrad institutions.

So by that standard W&L and UVA are super fratty. I still think Duke undergrad is more east coast/northeast. It's got a lot of northerners and Asians instead of bros with visors and croakies

Someone needs to calculate an objective "frattiness quotient" for all the law schools, taking into account the following: percentage of students in Greek life, conservatism of student body, percentage of student body wearing polos and croakies on a given day, number of girls who wear Lilly and similar brands on a daily basis, students whose parents hold political offices or are fortune 500 execs, proximity to the Mason Dixon Line, etc etc.


Only then can we settle this debate once and for all

I think Sperry's are dangerously close to not being considered fratty any more. They've become very mainstream for college students in general.

I do love my school though.

Sounder89 wrote:I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school.

Duke's law school population feels nothing like Duke's undergrad population. It's basically just a cross-section of the types of smart people who can get into a T14 school, with a slight selection bias towards self-actualization and soft factors. More Duke students than not got into a higher-ranked T14 but turned it down because they 1.) wanted the awesome weather and laid-back culture, and 2.) could read employment stats well enough to realize that "T10" is the dumbest breakpoint on TLS. That does create a feel, but it's not that noticeable and I'd say it's closer to "too sane for law school" than "frat".

What hurts Duke Law's rep more than anything is the Tucker Max legacy, but everybody there hated him as well.

I really think the only T14s with significant self-selection factors are Chicago, Virginia, and Northwestern. The rest seem to be pretty similar. Others may disagree, though.

DaleCooper wrote:

Sounder89 wrote:I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school.

Duke's law school population feels nothing like Duke's undergrad population. It's basically just a cross-section of the types of smart people who can get into a T14 school, with a slight selection bias towards self-actualization and soft factors. More Duke students than not got into a higher-ranked T14 but turned it down because they 1.) wanted the awesome weather and laid-back culture, and 2.) could read employment stats well enough to realize that "T10" is the dumbest breakpoint on TLS. That does create a feel, but it's not that noticeable and I'd say it's closer to "too sane for law school" than "frat".

What hurts Duke Law's rep more than anything is the Tucker Max legacy, but everybody there hated him as well.

I really think the only T14s with significant self-selection factors are Chicago, Virginia, and Northwestern. The rest seem to be pretty similar. Others may disagree, though.

Cornell I would imagine having a self-selection bias. It has lower LSATs than the other T14's and it is in a very isolated environment. I can't imagine too many people choosing it over another T14 unless they had strong ties to NY.

Chickensoup wrote:

DaleCooper wrote:

Sounder89 wrote:I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school.

Duke's law school population feels nothing like Duke's undergrad population. It's basically just a cross-section of the types of smart people who can get into a T14 school, with a slight selection bias towards self-actualization and soft factors. More Duke students than not got into a higher-ranked T14 but turned it down because they 1.) wanted the awesome weather and laid-back culture, and 2.) could read employment stats well enough to realize that "T10" is the dumbest breakpoint on TLS. That does create a feel, but it's not that noticeable and I'd say it's closer to "too sane for law school" than "frat".

What hurts Duke Law's rep more than anything is the Tucker Max legacy, but everybody there hated him as well.

I really think the only T14s with significant self-selection factors are Chicago, Virginia, and Northwestern. The rest seem to be pretty similar. Others may disagree, though.

Cornell I would imagine having a self-selection bias. It has lower LSATs than the other T14's and it is in a very isolated environment. I can't imagine too many people choosing it over another T14 unless they had strong ties to NY.

Unless it's the only T14 they got into

moonman157 wrote:

Chickensoup wrote:Cornell I would imagine having a self-selection bias. It has lower LSATs than the other T14's and it is in a very isolated environment. I can't imagine too many people choosing it over another T14 unless they had strong ties to NY.

Unless it's the only T14 they got into

Yeah, BVMDNCG are all going to have a decent number of students who only had one T14 admit. I doubt it's really that big of a factor, except in the sense of the other schools not losing cross-admits to UCLA and Texas over weather concerns.

(And the idea that Cornell is always in last place for applicants puts way too much emphasis on U.S. News... my current roommate was set on Cornell until he got into NYU, just like I was set on Duke. We both got into higher ranked schools, as well, but Cornell and Duke were the best fits for us outside of Manhattan, respectively.)

nebula666 wrote:

I do love my school though.

Guessing this is FSU

RodneyBoonfield wrote:

nebula666 wrote:

I do love my school though.

Guessing this is FSU

Nope UF.

For the west coast, USC is pretty much in a league of its own, for UG. Considering the law school is on campus, and many law students live fairly close to fraternity row, I guess it would apply to the law school as well. Haven't been to the south yet though so I can't compare the two.

Law school is FaF

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this thread has been gone for too long and deserves a bump

Currently a UG at a low frat quotient school, but this thread makes up for it.

I think most law schools have too strong a mix of people from everywhere to have as strong regional stereotypes as the UGs do. And that's another unfortunate product of USNEWS rankings.

I'll just throw out there that if you're looking for a "fratty" law school, you need to look outside the T14. Because to a very large extent, these schools all draw from the same population - very intelligent, driven individuals who have dedicated far more of their time to studying for the LSAT than to icing their bros. Even UVA is just the "frattiest" subset of the smartest/nerdiest kids in law school.

beachbum wrote:I'll just throw out there that if you're looking for a "fratty" law school, you need to look outside the T14. Because to a very large extent, these schools all draw from the same population - very intelligent, driven individuals who have dedicated far more of their time to studying for the LSAT than to icing their bros. Even UVA is just the "frattiest" subset of the smartest/nerdiest kids in law school.

Wait, you're saying someone who joins a frat isn't intelligent, driven or dedicated to studying for the LSAT?

TheThriller wrote:

beachbum wrote:I'll just throw out there that if you're looking for a "fratty" law school, you need to look outside the T14. Because to a very large extent, these schools all draw from the same population - very intelligent, driven individuals who have dedicated far more of their time to studying for the LSAT than to icing their bros. Even UVA is just the "frattiest" subset of the smartest/nerdiest kids in law school.

Wait, you're saying someone who joins a frat isn't intelligent, driven or dedicated to studying for the LSAT?

LULZ!

TheThriller wrote:

beachbum wrote:I'll just throw out there that if you're looking for a "fratty" law school, you need to look outside the T14. Because to a very large extent, these schools all draw from the same population - very intelligent, driven individuals who have dedicated far more of their time to studying for the LSAT than to icing their bros. Even UVA is just the "frattiest" subset of the smartest/nerdiest kids in law school.

Wait, you're saying someone who joins a frat isn't intelligent, driven or dedicated to studying for the LSAT?

I mean, hell, this whole thread is kind of ridiculous. I focused on the T14, but I suspect this applies to the good majority of all law schools. You might find a few more dudes wearing Brooks Brothers or Vineyard Vines at Southern law schools, but in the end trying to determine the "frattiest" law school is like trying to determine the most elite online school. That dog just don't hunt, bro.

There's more money in New England than the south. A lot more.

Sounder89 wrote:I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school. And George Mason is in the South and generally conservative, no?

Mason is conservative but most definitely not in the South.

ironbmike wrote:

Sounder89 wrote:I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school. And George Mason is in the South and generally conservative, no?

Mason is conservative but most definitely not in the South.

Former commuter schools are not frat

rad lulz wrote:

ironbmike wrote:

Sounder89 wrote:I might be misapplying Duke's undergrad reputation to the law school. And George Mason is in the South and generally conservative, no?

Mason is conservative but most definitely not in the South.

Former commuter schools are not frat

When did I say it was frat? It's not.