Page 1 of 1

UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:42 pm
by wannabeu
Anyone received Acceptance E-mail? The status checker says they will send in 10 business days but still got nothing. :( :( :(

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:14 am
by urmlaw17
wannabeu wrote:Anyone received Acceptance E-mail? The status checker says they will send in 10 business days but still got nothing. :( :( :(


I literally got my email 10 days after status checker date

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:17 am
by urmlaw17
wannabeu wrote:Anyone received Acceptance E-mail? The status checker says they will send in 10 business days but still got nothing. :( :( :(


I literally got my email 10 days after status checker date

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:01 am
by wannabeu
urmlaw17 wrote:
wannabeu wrote:Anyone received Acceptance E-mail? The status checker says they will send in 10 business days but still got nothing. :( :( :(


I literally got my email 10 days after status checker date

Yoe mean 10 days including weekends? or 10 business days?

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:49 am
by urmlaw17
wannabeu wrote:
urmlaw17 wrote:
wannabeu wrote:Anyone received Acceptance E-mail? The status checker says they will send in 10 business days but still got nothing. :( :( :(


I literally got my email 10 days after status checker date

Yoe mean 10 days including weekends? or 10 business days?


Including weekends

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:29 am
by wannabeu
urmlaw17 wrote:
wannabeu wrote:
urmlaw17 wrote:
wannabeu wrote:Anyone received Acceptance E-mail? The status checker says they will send in 10 business days but still got nothing. :( :( :(


I literally got my email 10 days after status checker date

Yoe mean 10 days including weekends? or 10 business days?


Including weekends

Thankd for reply. Did email include scholi info??..

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:56 pm
by urmlaw17
wannabeu wrote:
urmlaw17 wrote:
wannabeu wrote:
urmlaw17 wrote:
wannabeu wrote:Anyone received Acceptance E-mail? The status checker says they will send in 10 business days but still got nothing. :( :( :(


I literally got my email 10 days after status checker date

Yoe mean 10 days including weekends? or 10 business days?


Including weekends

Thankd for reply. Did email include scholi info??..


yes

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:25 pm
by BayAreaHopeful23
Just went to "Application in review" today, after submitting on the night of 2/8.

Anybody else in the same boat?

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:30 am
by CaliGeorge
Be careful where you're applying:
https://abovethelaw.com/2017/11/the-law ... ents-2018/
https://abovethelaw.com/2016/01/which-l ... transfers/
https://abovethelaw.com/2017/12/a-break ... july-2017/

My roommate that transferred from there can confirm the horror stories at Hastings -
1. very poor employment numbers (competing with Berkeley & Stanford kids in saturated bay area market)
2. administration is poor. My friend had 5 con law professors in one semester and a civil procedures professor who didn't want to teach. That same civil procedures professor was a the previous dean who burned library books that included prior practice exams to free up space in their library. I've heard iffy things that their current Dean wrote a "scholarly" paper on how he thinks Battered Women Syndrome doesn't exist.
3. very poor bar passing score - McGeorge & Cal Western did better.
4. according to him, they also did their best to keep you from transferring e.g. rejecting requests to write letters of recommendations.
5. probably the most expensive rent in the entire country... also located in the least ideal location - the SF tenderloin where you regularly hear gunshots.

I've heard some good things like a strong alumni network, good moot court team, and a new building they're adding.... but it's important to consider the cons too.

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:03 am
by CALaw717
CaliGeorge wrote:Be careful where you're applying:
https://abovethelaw.com/2017/11/the-law ... ents-2018/
https://abovethelaw.com/2016/01/which-l ... transfers/
https://abovethelaw.com/2017/12/a-break ... july-2017/

My roommate that transferred from there can confirm the horror stories at Hastings -
1. very poor employment numbers (competing with Berkeley & Stanford kids in saturated bay area market)
2. administration is poor. My friend had 5 con law professors in one semester and a civil procedures professor who didn't want to teach. That same civil procedures professor was a the previous dean who burned library books that included prior practice exams to free up space in their library. I've heard iffy things that their current Dean wrote a "scholarly" paper on how he thinks Battered Women Syndrome doesn't exist.
3. very poor bar passing score - McGeorge & Cal Western did better.
4. according to him, they also did their best to keep you from transferring e.g. rejecting requests to write letters of recommendations.
5. probably the most expensive rent in the entire country... also located in the least ideal location - the SF tenderloin where you regularly hear gunshots.

I've heard some good things like a strong alumni network, good moot court team, and a new building they're adding.... but it's important to consider the cons too.


I'm finishing up my 1L year at Hastings and much of this hasn't been my experience.
1) Hastings is ranked 29th nationally, sending 19.7% of the 2016 class into big law. We were ranked just slightly behind Emory and Notre Dame in this regard and well above Pepperdine and Loyola - schools with similar LSAT scores. Loyola's 2016 graduaing class sent just 9.2% into big law, and Pepperdine just under 5%! While Loyola's overall employment numbers appear better than Hastings' the difference is basically all from the huge number of grads (over 26%) they send to 2-10 person law firms - less pay/prestige/project complexity, etc. Admittedly, getting deeper into the bottom 1/2 of Hastings' graduating class struggle to find jobs but any schools well outside the Top 20, a large number of the bottom 1/2 struggle. Certainly a risk, but that goes for other competing CA schools and Hastings isn't a huge outlier in that regard. Anyone going to a school well outside the top 20 who are in the bottom 1/4 of their class may want to seriously consider dropping out of law school if their main goal is a JD-required job. They may struggle to both pass the CA bar and find gainful JD-required employment.
http://www.uchastings.edu/news/articles ... ol-nlj.php
Find Loyola/Pepperdine/Hastings employment numbers here: http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/

2) Finals going back around 10 years are all available for every core class online through our library's website. There is no burning finals, therefore making them unavailable. Did your friend go to Hastings in the 1970s? The only finals that may not be available going many years back are for newer professors but I haven't had any new Hastings professors for core 1L classes. For all 1L classes I've been able to go back and view numerous past finals online.

3) 61% bar passage for July 2017 test takers was disappointing. That class, we lost ~15% of our top students to transfer - largely to top 14 schools. For a school ranked similarly to Hastings, our education appears to be more valued by top 14 schools and we are able to send higher % of transfers to top 14 schools than a Loyola/Pepperdine. The top 25% of our class tend to pass the bar at 100% levels and top 50% well above 90%. By losing our top 15% that year and then keeping nearly all of the bottom 50%, as basically no one fails out, that skewed our bar passage numbers down. The administration has addressed that since then, and they currently give scholarship bumps after 1L year (I believe to those within the top 15%) to reatain our top students and the ones we were losing to transfer. I believe this goes right up to nearly a full scholarship to those at the very top of the class. That will both address employment numbers, as well as bar passage numbers, as those retained students would also be better able to secure more coveted positions.

4) How can you argue both ways - listing huge numbers of transfer students but then saying the administration/professors aren't helpful to potential transfers? As mentioned, nearly 15% of our 2017 graduating class transferred and one can't transfer w/out letters of recommendation...

5) Housing at The Tower (school-owned apt) is subsidized and while somewhat expensive, it's not more than most people pay in LA or other major cities. Smaller studios on lower floors start at $1,240/month including wifi/utilities/free on-site gym. Some people get creative with sharing larger apts to bring rent even below that per person. In the Spring of 2020 a lot more housing availability will open up once a new construction building is completed. I've lived in the Tenderloin for over 6 months, walk around late at night all of the time, and have yet to hear a gunshot. There are lots of homeless, but besides their asking for money I've never been bothered beyond that or ever felt unsafe. People also do roommate situations in other areas that would prefer to live in nicer parts of town, take the free evening shuttle to/from home if it's w/in a mile, use free walking escorts if they would like the added security, etc. The BART/Muni are just across the street from campus and we're very accessible to other areas.

I'm very happy I'm attending here. While I didn't get into any top 20 schools, Hastings opens up many more doors to me, interesting opportunities, and has much more impressive professors than other similarly-ranked schools (most professors have been here since Hastings was a Top 35 school). I've found the administration so far to be amazing. They're also offering some competitive scholarships to incoming students lately, and their in-state tuition is $10k/year less than Loyola's. Currently, I have no regrets choosing Hastings.

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:32 pm
by lordmac69
2L here taking questions.

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:43 pm
by lawschoolgirl312
" I'm finishing up my 1L year at Hastings and much of this hasn't been my experience.
1) Hastings is ranked 29th nationally, sending 19.7% of the 2016 class into big law. We were ranked just slightly behind Emory and Notre Dame in this regard and well above Pepperdine and Loyola - schools with similar LSAT scores. Loyola's 2016 graduaing class sent just 9.2% into big law, and Pepperdine just under 5%! "


Wait, isn't Hastings ranked at 51 currently? Where did you get this number of ranking from? Not trying to be a dick, but want to know because I would consider Hastings if it wasn't ranked at 51, which US News has been saying it is

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:49 pm
by CALaw717
lawschoolgirl312 wrote:" I'm finishing up my 1L year at Hastings and much of this hasn't been my experience.
1) Hastings is ranked 29th nationally, sending 19.7% of the 2016 class into big law. We were ranked just slightly behind Emory and Notre Dame in this regard and well above Pepperdine and Loyola - schools with similar LSAT scores. Loyola's 2016 graduaing class sent just 9.2% into big law, and Pepperdine just under 5%! "


Wait, isn't Hastings ranked at 51 currently? Where did you get this number of ranking from? Not trying to be a dick, but want to know because I would consider Hastings if it wasn't ranked at 51, which US News has been saying it is


I had attached a link as well. Hastings is ranked 29th nationally with regard to the % of their grads that they send into big law (which the ABA defines as firms with 100+ attorneys). Of 300 grads in 2016, we sent 8 to firms with 100-250 attys and 51 to firms with 500+ attorneys. 59/300 = 19.7% and we are 29th nationally in this metric, and only marginally behind Emory and Notre Dame in this metric. US News, we're ranked 54th nationally although many people think a better metric is the % of grads that go into prestigious positions like big law and federal clerkships. In comparison Pepperdine's 2016 graduating class had 4 grads go to firms with 100-250 attys and 5 grads to firms with 500+ attys. With a graduating class of 181 students, that's 9/181 or just under 5%. Here's the link again: http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:11 am
by CALaw717
CALaw717 wrote:
lawschoolgirl312 wrote:" I'm finishing up my 1L year at Hastings and much of this hasn't been my experience.
1) Hastings is ranked 29th nationally, sending 19.7% of the 2016 class into big law. We were ranked just slightly behind Emory and Notre Dame in this regard and well above Pepperdine and Loyola - schools with similar LSAT scores. Loyola's 2016 graduaing class sent just 9.2% into big law, and Pepperdine just under 5%! "


Wait, isn't Hastings ranked at 51 currently? Where did you get this number of ranking from? Not trying to be a dick, but want to know because I would consider Hastings if it wasn't ranked at 51, which US News has been saying it is


I had attached a link as well. Hastings is ranked 29th nationally with regard to the % of their grads that they send into big law (which the ABA defines as firms with 100+ attorneys). Of 300 grads in 2016, we sent 8 to firms with 100-250 attys and 51 to firms with 500+ attorneys. 59/300 = 19.7% and we are 29th nationally in this metric, and only marginally behind Emory and Notre Dame in this metric. US News, we're ranked 54th nationally although many people think a better metric is the % of grads that go into prestigious positions like big law and federal clerkships. In comparison Pepperdine's 2016 graduating class had 4 grads go to firms with 100-250 attys and 5 grads to firms with 500+ attys. With a graduating class of 181 students, that's 9/181 or just under 5%. Here's the link again: http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/


Meant to write 100-500 attys and 500+ attys with the numbers above - Hastings sent 8 grads to firms with 100-500 attys and 51 to firms with 500+. Pepperdine sent 4 grads to firms with 100-500 attys and 5 grads to firms with 500+.

Re: UC Hastings c/o 2021 Thread

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:25 am
by 265489164158
CaliGeorge wrote:My roommate that transferred from there can confirm the horror stories at Hastings -
1. very poor employment numbers (competing with Berkeley & Stanford kids in saturated bay area market)
2. administration is poor. My friend had 5 con law professors in one semester and a civil procedures professor who didn't want to teach. That same civil procedures professor was a the previous dean who burned library books that included prior practice exams to free up space in their library. I've heard iffy things that their current Dean wrote a "scholarly" paper on how he thinks Battered Women Syndrome doesn't exist.
3. very poor bar passing score - McGeorge & Cal Western did better.
4. according to him, they also did their best to keep you from transferring e.g. rejecting requests to write letters of recommendations.
5. probably the most expensive rent in the entire country... also located in the least ideal location - the SF tenderloin where you regularly hear gunshots.

I've heard some good things like a strong alumni network, good moot court team, and a new building they're adding.... but it's important to consider the cons too.


To set the record straight, your roommate transferred from Hastings to Harvard, right, so clearly the Hastings 1L gamble worked? Also, I was in the section referenced with the five Con Law professors in one semester (and your roommate was not). What actually happened was that our first professor had a family medical emergency, three other professors subbed a class or two using his syllabus (and it was clear they were pinch hitting and not permanent), while they searched for a permanent one, who was the fifth and final professor. Was this ideal? No, it really wasn't and we had to cobble it together and teach ourselves.

The civ pro story is also not exactly true. It is true the professor had a VERY different style that did not sit well with 80% of the class, but he made himself overly available for hours each week to meet with students and look at practice answers. Another professor with a more concrete teaching style offered extra review sessions, which were recorded and available to all. While the administration did not address either of these situations in the way we would have hoped (and many people are still angry), they did try to accommodate us and offered us all preferred registration for this year for Civ Pro II and Con Law II with any professor we wanted to try to appease the mob.

Yes, sf rent is expensive, but it is a terrific place to be. I have a theory that some students might spend a bit too much time enjoy the outdoors, nightlife, and music scene, which could be hurting their academic performance, but that is their choice. The flip side is that the externship opportunities are outstanding, especially during the school year when we don't have to compete. I know many people externing right now at the SEC, US Attorneys Office, USDC Northern District, CAG, California Supreme Court, EFF, and the ACLU.

As for bar passage rate and employment rates, yes, pretty grim if in bottom half of the class. It is really tough to know before getting to law school how you will actually do there.

Best of luck to you. I would not discourage anyone from considering Hastings because it has been great for me.