Harvard Law c/o 2021 Applicants (2017-2018) Forum

[kiklavan]

Accd to latest Spivey data 834 applicants have ABOVE a 173. This seems to be bad news for anyone below a 173 but, then again, lsn shows Harvard was actually kinder to folks with 172 and 171 LSATs from 2008-2012 when applications were way higher compared to more recent years. In other words who knows.

I'd guess that a good deal of those 834 applicants are splitters who felt the need to study their asses off for the LSAT and aren't guaranteed to get in. Possibly all the talk online about the LSAT being learnable is inspiring more splitters to get these scores than people with high GPAs.

Very frustrating for someone like me who worked his ass off to graduate with a 4.0 but didn't have the time, resources, or awareness to do anything other than self-study for the LSAT.

Or a year and a half to spend studying for the small likelihood that our scores will be good enough for T3

[etramak]

Accd to latest Spivey data 834 applicants have ABOVE a 173. This seems to be bad news for anyone below a 173 but, then again, lsn shows Harvard was actually kinder to folks with 172 and 171 LSATs from 2008-2012 when applications were way higher compared to more recent years. In other words who knows.

Also aren’t like 500 of those applicants going to Yale or Stanford?

I mean, I know my sad desperation for a JS1 is getting awkward to witness, but let’s at least crunch the numbers.

Yes but Harvard matriculates only 400-500 themselves and I think accepts 900. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I want to be wrong!

http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/

Number of Applications: 5,755
Number of Admission Offers: 900
Percentage Offered Admission: 15.6%
Newly Enrolled 1Ls: 562

So 900 admits. Still looks like not much room for 170-172 non-urms, unless the poster above is correct in saying that a lot of the high lsat scorers are below 3.7 GPA.

[etramak]

Accd to latest Spivey data 834 applicants have ABOVE a 173. This seems to be bad news for anyone below a 173 but, then again, lsn shows Harvard was actually kinder to folks with 172 and 171 LSATs from 2008-2012 when applications were way higher compared to more recent years. In other words who knows.

I'd guess that a good deal of those 834 applicants are splitters who felt the need to study their asses off for the LSAT and aren't guaranteed to get in. Possibly all the talk online about the LSAT being learnable is inspiring more splitters to get these scores than people with high GPAs.

Very frustrating for someone like me who worked his ass off to graduate with a 4.0 but didn't have the time, resources, or awareness to do anything other than self-study for the LSAT.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/cycle- ... f-1-12-18/

Getting off the tangents here, but I'm confused. Total applicants per Spivey's blog are 25,802, and 1,135 got 173+. That doesn't correspond to the usual LSAT percentiles (172 or 173 being the usual cut-off for the 99th percentile).

A lot LSAT takers don't actually apply to law school

[b-a-n-a-n-a-s]

Accd to latest Spivey data 834 applicants have ABOVE a 173. This seems to be bad news for anyone below a 173 but, then again, lsn shows Harvard was actually kinder to folks with 172 and 171 LSATs from 2008-2012 when applications were way higher compared to more recent years. In other words who knows.

I'd guess that a good deal of those 834 applicants are splitters who felt the need to study their asses off for the LSAT and aren't guaranteed to get in. Possibly all the talk online about the LSAT being learnable is inspiring more splitters to get these scores than people with high GPAs.

Very frustrating for someone like me who worked his ass off to graduate with a 4.0 but didn't have the time, resources, or awareness to do anything other than self-study for the LSAT.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/cycle- ... f-1-12-18/

Getting off the tangents here, but I'm confused. Total applicants per Spivey's blog are 25,802, and 1,135 got 173+. That doesn't correspond to the usual LSAT percentiles (172 or 173 being the usual cut-off for the 99th percentile).

A lot LSAT takers don't actually apply to law school

Yep. Applicants != LSAT takers.

[feralflamingo]

Accd to latest Spivey data 834 applicants have ABOVE a 173. This seems to be bad news for anyone below a 173 but, then again, lsn shows Harvard was actually kinder to folks with 172 and 171 LSATs from 2008-2012 when applications were way higher compared to more recent years. In other words who knows.

I'd guess that a good deal of those 834 applicants are splitters who felt the need to study their asses off for the LSAT and aren't guaranteed to get in. Possibly all the talk online about the LSAT being learnable is inspiring more splitters to get these scores than people with high GPAs.

Very frustrating for someone like me who worked his ass off to graduate with a 4.0 but didn't have the time, resources, or awareness to do anything other than self-study for the LSAT.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/cycle- ... f-1-12-18/

Getting off the tangents here, but I'm confused. Total applicants per Spivey's blog are 25,802, and 1,135 got 173+. That doesn't correspond to the usual LSAT percentiles (172 or 173 being the usual cut-off for the 99th percentile).

A lot LSAT takers don't actually apply to law school

Yep. Applicants != LSAT takers.

It states number of applicants, and then the highest scores for those applicants. Either way, as an international this cycle is not fun..Not to mention February LSATs going to unleash another wave of top scores

[tinycatfriend]

High LSAT doesn't equal high GPA. I have a 180 and 3.6 (I was a quant major at a tough school, so my GPA is above the curve, but, yknow), and that's not massively unusual.

[InterLaw]

as an international this cycle is not fun

[tuna_wasabi]

Accd to latest Spivey data 834 applicants have ABOVE a 173. This seems to be bad news for anyone below a 173 but, then again, lsn shows Harvard was actually kinder to folks with 172 and 171 LSATs from 2008-2012 when applications were way higher compared to more recent years. In other words who knows.

I'd guess that a good deal of those 834 applicants are splitters who felt the need to study their asses off for the LSAT and aren't guaranteed to get in. Possibly all the talk online about the LSAT being learnable is inspiring more splitters to get these scores than people with high GPAs.

Very frustrating for someone like me who worked his ass off to graduate with a 4.0 but didn't have the time, resources, or awareness to do anything other than self-study for the LSAT.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/cycle- ... f-1-12-18/

Getting off the tangents here, but I'm confused. Total applicants per Spivey's blog are 25,802, and 1,135 got 173+. That doesn't correspond to the usual LSAT percentiles (172 or 173 being the usual cut-off for the 99th percentile).

A lot LSAT takers don't actually apply to law school

Yep. Applicants != LSAT takers.

It states number of applicants, and then the highest scores for those applicants. Either way, as an international this cycle is not fun..Not to mention February LSATs going to unleash another wave of top scores

How did I miss that? All my LR skills are long gone by now...

[etramak]

Not looking good for today. I was certain we'd see a wave today even last night!

[feralflamingo]

I would also say that the reason those percentiles don't seem right, is because of what tuna wasabi said - some LSAT takers don't apply to ls immediately, and it looks like all the high scorers decided 2018 fall was the cycle for them. This is making me regret hard I didn't even apply 2017.

[virginia_direwoolf]

YOU GUYS. JS1. OH MY GOD.
Y'all I submitted on September 15th at 9a.m. with a median LSAT and 25th GPA and have been watching WAVE AFTER WAVE and people being like "should I give up if I submitted in December and haven't had a JS1 invite yet?" (which is not meant to shade those people because I understand we are all super stressed!) and had basically given up on getting one and just checked my email at lunch and am seriously getting hives I'm so excited.
So if you have been waiting forever THERE IS STILL HOPE. Which I know a lot of people have said but I have actual proof!

Good luck to anyone else still waiting/those waiting on JS2s this week <3

So proud of you, stats twin

[pghpens]

Not looking good for today. I was certain we'd see a wave today even last night!

Yeah I really thought today was the day

[Liberty4All]

Does anyone know what the ASW dates are for this year?

[spectacles]

Oy vey, are those really this year’s stats?

Adcoms wouldn’t give splitters/non-URM low-scorers JS1s if they believed they couldn’t compete with 173+s, right? It’s a hard year, but not impossible.

[Pozzo]

Does anyone know what the ASW dates are for this year?

Apr 6-7, Apr 13-14

[personpitch]

JS1 today! Sent 1/1, complete 1/10.

[2drew4u]

JS1 today! Sent 1/1, complete 1/10.

Congrats and good luck!

[feralflamingo]

JS1 today! Sent 1/1, complete 1/10.

From the earlier wave?

[FutureTaxLawyer?]

I think the hand-wringing is (sometimes) a little ridiculous. If you applied to HLS, and they haven't indicated that you're WL'ed or rejected, then you're still in the running.

[pghpens]

I think the hand-wringing is (sometimes) a little ridiculous. If you applied to HLS, and they haven't indicated that you're WL'ed or rejected, then you're still in the running.

Well sure, but I think it's normal for people to be anxious after months and months of LSAT prep, essay writing, interviewing, and waiting. Especially in what seems to be an extraordinarily competitive year; lots of people just don't know where they stand and it's helpful to talk to others in the same boat. On the other hand, it's helpful to keep things in perspective- we are lucky to even be applying and to have a shot at one of the best schools in the world. And as you said, it's not over til it's over. I am hoping everything works out for everyone on here.

[Qu1ntus]

Long time lurker...

Submitted 11/16, complete 11/22
176/3.5 non-URM

Anyone with similar stats received JS1 yet? Looking at the analytics in the spreadsheet it seems I'm on the wrong side of the wait-time bell curve.

[jdm1634]

Long time lurker...

Submitted 11/16, complete 11/22
176/3.5 non-URM

Anyone with similar stats received JS1 yet? Looking at the analytics in the spreadsheet it seems I'm on the wrong side of the wait-time bell curve.

We're very close, I'm 3.6/175 with no JS1 yet. Most of them see to be people at or above both 75ths; between the GRE and the huge increase in 175+ scores (about 75% more per Spivey this morning), I don't know how much we can rely on past years' data either. I'm hoping they're just waiting to see how their class is filling out.

[personpitch]

JS1 today! Sent 1/1, complete 1/10.

From the earlier wave?

Yeah, the email was sent today around 8AM Pacific time. Just got up late today haha

[winmore1228]

Now that the chances of a JS2 wave are out the window today, what's the collective wisdom on the next viable day? Is any day this week on the table?

[etramak]

Now that the chances of a JS2 wave are out the window today, what's the collective wisdom on the next viable day? Is any day this week on the table?

Today was a good guess because the application interviewers had the day off. We don't really have much of a way of knowing anymore. Maybe Wednesday if only because that was the day of the week they did last year.