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Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:45 pm
by Mikey
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Application deadlines:
Early Decision Round I - November 1
Early Decision Round II - January 8
Regular Decision - February 1

Helpful Resources:
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Spreadsheet for tracking your applications
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Fall 2016 Entering Class Profile:

LSAT: 163/167/168
GPA: 3.60/3.73/3.81
http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... ration.cfm


Fall 2015 Entering Class Profile:
203 Entering Students
LSAT: 164/167/168
GPA: 3.62/3.74/3.82


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Tuition and Expenses:
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Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:46 pm
by Mikey
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Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:55 pm
by brinicolec
Checking in.

Like the school but have been told by one of my close friends who's a native New Yorker that she thinks I'd hate Ithaca so... I'm a little torn :lol:

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:00 pm
by RictusErectus
Checking in!

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:08 pm
by proteinshake
checking in!

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:26 pm
by ProductofUnreality
brinicolec wrote:Checking in.

Like the school but have been told by one of my close friends who's a native New Yorker that she thinks I'd hate Ithaca so... I'm a little torn :lol:


I've heard that from a NYC native.

But I've heard from people who aren't from NY that Ithaca is awesome. Not like we'll be spending too much time outside of the libraries anyway...

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:29 pm
by ponderingmeerkat
Checking in. Thanks for OPing Mikey!

Pretty certain I won't end up here but it's a lower-T14 so I'm going to throw an app their way anyway. Here to see how things all shake out. :)

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:37 pm
by Mikey
ProductofUnreality wrote:
brinicolec wrote:Checking in.

Like the school but have been told by one of my close friends who's a native New Yorker that she thinks I'd hate Ithaca so... I'm a little torn :lol:


I've heard that from a NYC native.

But I've heard from people who aren't from NY that Ithaca is awesome. Not like we'll be spending too much time outside of the libraries anyway...

I think it's just different for everyone. I've lived in NYC my whole life, and although I strongly prefer the city, I also love the different vibes of small towns.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:56 pm
by brinicolec
ProductofUnreality wrote:
brinicolec wrote:Checking in.

Like the school but have been told by one of my close friends who's a native New Yorker that she thinks I'd hate Ithaca so... I'm a little torn :lol:


I've heard that from a NYC native.

But I've heard from people who aren't from NY that Ithaca is awesome. Not like we'll be spending too much time outside of the libraries anyway...


Lol, if it wasn't one of my close friends, I'd probably shrug it off, but she knows me well and knows my personality, so I'm more inclined to actually consider what she's saying to be true.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:57 pm
by brinicolec
TheMikey wrote:
ProductofUnreality wrote:
brinicolec wrote:Checking in.

Like the school but have been told by one of my close friends who's a native New Yorker that she thinks I'd hate Ithaca so... I'm a little torn :lol:


I've heard that from a NYC native.

But I've heard from people who aren't from NY that Ithaca is awesome. Not like we'll be spending too much time outside of the libraries anyway...

I think it's just different for everyone. I've lived in NYC my whole life, and although I strongly prefer the city, I also love the different vibes of small towns.


And yeah, see, I'm not a huge fan -- or even a small fan -- of small towns for the most part. They're tolerable and have their perks sometimes but I don't enjoy them as a place to live.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:04 pm
by TexasENG
brinicolec wrote:
ProductofUnreality wrote:
brinicolec wrote:Checking in.

Like the school but have been told by one of my close friends who's a native New Yorker that she thinks I'd hate Ithaca so... I'm a little torn :lol:


I've heard that from a NYC native.

But I've heard from people who aren't from NY that Ithaca is awesome. Not like we'll be spending too much time outside of the libraries anyway...


Lol, if it wasn't one of my close friends, I'd probably shrug it off, but she knows me well and knows my personality, so I'm more inclined to actually consider what she's saying to be true.


I've lived in the Finger Lakes area before, its different... I can see the appeal for some people, but would say in general if you have lived in a city and liked it you would probably not like living in Ithaca.

That being said here's some positives:
The finger lakes is a very outdoorsy area. There are a bunch of parks that are all really nice (camping / hiking), the lakes are really cool (especially if someone you know has a boat).
There are a bunch of cool microbrews in the area if you are into that.
There are a bunch of wineries and you can do some cool wine tours (I know nothing about wine so can't really comment on how good the wine is).
If you are into racing, Watkins glen is nearby and has a variety of big races throughout the year. I'm not really into racing but it was cool to check out.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:15 pm
by RamTitan
I like the idea of going to Cornell, but I don't know if I can handle winter. However, if they show me the money...

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:21 pm
by Mikey
RamTitan wrote:I like the idea of going to Cornell, but I don't know if I can handle winter. However, if they show me the money...

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Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:26 pm
by rationalhound
Checking in. Cornell is in my top five for sure. Then again, I'm one of those weirdos who likes small towns, winter, and the outdoors. :P

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:51 pm
by RamTitan
TheMikey wrote:
RamTitan wrote:I like the idea of going to Cornell, but I don't know if I can handle winter. However, if they show me the money...

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Give me that cat and I'll call it a day haha

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:13 pm
by patttt
checking in. any news on fee waivers?

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:09 pm
by Lavitz
Alum, willing to answer questions, checking in. For now will just say: from NYC, liked Ithaca, thought it was a nice break from city life.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:09 pm
by proteinshake
Lavitz wrote:Alum, willing to answer questions, checking in. For now will just say: from NYC, liked Ithaca, thought it was a nice break from city life.

any word on medians?

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:15 pm
by Lavitz
proteinshake wrote:
Lavitz wrote:Alum, willing to answer questions, checking in. For now will just say: from NYC, liked Ithaca, thought it was a nice break from city life.

any word on medians?

Lol, this question might be better suited for a current student. But even when I was a 1L, they didn't announce medians at orientation. You'll probably only find out when they post them online. Unless some faculty member accidentally leaves the class statistics memo in the student lounge again.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:19 pm
by proteinshake
Lavitz wrote:
proteinshake wrote:
Lavitz wrote:Alum, willing to answer questions, checking in. For now will just say: from NYC, liked Ithaca, thought it was a nice break from city life.

any word on medians?

Lol, this question might be better suited for a current student. But even when I was a 1L, they didn't announce medians at orientation. You'll probably only find out when they post them online. Unless some faculty member accidentally leaves the class statistics memo in the student lounge again.

ah ok lol.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:25 pm
by proteinshake
Lavitz wrote:Alum, willing to answer questions, checking in. For now will just say: from NYC, liked Ithaca, thought it was a nice break from city life.

outside of the T6, is Cornell the best for NYC Biglaw? and since there's a difference between V100 and V10 firms (at least I'm pretty sure), how should that factor in someone's decision to attend a given law school vs another?

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:03 pm
by Lavitz
proteinshake wrote:
Lavitz wrote:Alum, willing to answer questions, checking in. For now will just say: from NYC, liked Ithaca, thought it was a nice break from city life.

outside of the T6, is Cornell the best for NYC Biglaw? and since there's a difference between V100 and V10 firms (at least I'm pretty sure), how should that factor in someone's decision to attend a given law school vs another?

I'm not a big fan of tiers. If you just look at raw placement, it's probably Penn and Cornell consistently doing the best outside of the "T6," to the extent that's a thing. But when you factor in self-selection, the ultimate biglaw placement power of all the lower T-14 should be roughly the same. Cornell may have a slight edge in NYC because of location, traditional relationships with employers, and loyal alumni base concentrated in NYC.

If you're asking about Cornell doing well placing people not just into biglaw firms generally, but into the most prestigious firms vis a vis the Vault rankings, I would respond first that the Vault rankings are pretty arbitrary. It bears repeating that it's literally just a survey of current associates asking them to rank their rival law firms. But, second, even assuming they're a somewhat useful proxy for quality, we do pretty well for ourselves. See the discussion of V10 placement here. And, as far as I know, most of the top firms have been increasing their hiring at Cornell lately.

As for how much placement into the "most prestigious" firms matters for any given individual choosing between schools, there have been plenty of threads on that. I think this boils down to: what are the odds, if you go to Cornell vs. another school, that you will strike out vs. not strike out, or get a more prestigious vs. less prestigious firm? This depends on a lot of factors. Will you be happier in one place than the other, thus leading you to perform better on exams relative to your peers, thus giving you a shot at better firms? Will your class have an unprecedented amount of gunners for some reason? Will you take advantage of any resources available at Cornell (location, alumni, career services, etc.) that are not available at another school? Moreover, even if you land a "more prestigious" firm, prestige isn't a perfect correlation for exit options. Those will depend on firm practice area strengths, clients, and reputation in certain quarters. No matter what school you go to, you'd want to research this kind of thing before OCI and try to get a firm that will give you the most opportunities in the career paths you think you're most likely to follow.

So basically, I don't know. If the difference is small, I wouldn't put too much weight on whether a school sends a few more people to V10 or whatever than the next school. If you're choosing between Columbia and Cornell at equal cost, then sure, you should go to Columbia. But even there, the odds that you'd land a more prestigious firm that you otherwise wouldn't get if you went to Cornell are probably so small that I personally wouldn't spend too much more to go to Columbia. (Besides the fact that you may want to spend a decent amount more just to be in NYC for 3 years, but imo how much more you spend for that reason is a personal rather than professional decision.)

For what it's worth, I chose Cornell over NYU for $$$ reasons and don't regret it at all. I'm confident I would have ended up with virtually the same outcome but would have paid a lot more at NYU.

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:32 pm
by proteinshake
super interesting and helpful! thanks, Lavitz!

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:39 pm
by Thomas Hagan, ESQ.
Checking in!

Anyone writing a "Why Cornell" essay??

Re: Cornell c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017)

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:25 am
by Mikey
Thomas Hagan, ESQ. wrote:Checking in!

Anyone writing a "Why Cornell" essay??

I think I might be. But people have said that cornell's app asks you "why are you applying to cornell?" So I think some will argue that a Why Cornell essay is a waste but idk.