Harvard Law c/o 2020 Applicants (2016-2017) Forum

[dddddd90]

A ding just popped up on LSN

[Anon.y.mousse.]

A ding just popped up on LSN

Eh, looks like someone who was updating all their schools at once.

[texteach]

A ding just popped up on LSN

It was someone updating all their apps (I think)

[jhc14]

A ding just popped up on LSN

It was someone updating all their apps (I think)

Do we have any idea how many dings have already gone out/are left?

[suitsandpotions]

Just got a random 617 call.....it was a stupid telemarketer for some stupid survey on car insurance. Ughhhhhh fml

[AllHailKingMao]

Just got a random 617 call.....it was a stupid telemarketer for some stupid survey on car insurance. Ughhhhhh fml

All phones at Harvard are 617-495-XXXX numbers. So don't get a heart attack for no reason!

[suitsandpotions]

Just got a random 617 call.....it was a stupid telemarketer for some stupid survey on car insurance. Ughhhhhh fml

All phones at Harvard are 617-495-XXXX numbers. So don't get a heart attack for no reason!

It was a 617-430 so I saw the 4 and got too excited.

[bloomsday]

.

[OnlyHumean]

Anyone have info on how quickly aid info comes? Also do most admits turn down serious money at T14s? I've been reading a lot of past threads on H/S vs Ruby/Darrow/Hamilton etc. and the majority of people seem to advise for the $.

Most H admits do not receive a full, named scholarship. Although TLS pretty unanimously advises the opposite, a strong majority of full scholarship recipients on LawSchoolNumbers choose H (or Y/S) over the money.

+1. Not commenting on whether it's a good idea, but the fact is a lot (perhaps majority?) of HYS students are in a position to pay sticker without taking out loans.

Harvard says that about 42% of JDs qualify for grants, which leaves 58% left. Of that 58% I'm sure it's a mix of people who are just above the grant cutoff but couldn't afford sticker without loans, people who have substantial assets but not enough liquid cash to pay sticker, people whose parents could pay sticker for them but won't (meaning the student would need to take loans), and people who can pay sticker and do.

The number of people who actually have access to enough money to pay sticker without taking loans is probably quite high, but I doubt it's anywhere near a majority.

You'd think, but if you look at Harvard's breakdown of the indebtedness of its graduates (presented at ASW, not sure if it's online somewhere), only 12% of its class have debt loads over $220,000. If you look at the published "average debt load" (US News has this, I think), only 12% paying close to sticker makes sense.

So of that 58% getting no grant aid, yes, the vast majority do have access to enough money not to pay sticker.

I think there's a bit of confusion.

I agree with the bolded - but I was never arguing against that.

The claim as I understood it was that some substantial number of HYS students (and perhaps even the majority) have access to enough money to pay sticker without taking loans. This would mean that they would graduate with $0 in loans. I don't know what the number of students who graduate with $0 in loans is, but I imagine it's a far cry from a majority of the class. That's all I'm claiming.

The claim that most students at HYS do not have sticker debt is an entirely different one, and one that I would agree with.

[69waystodie]

Those of you who received financial aid, was it about in line with what you were expecting? I just received my award at NYU, which is exactly what I expected it to be, and I'm hoping Harvard will be at least as generous.

[keviiiiiiiiiiiin]

Did anyone else get an email asking for fall grades and spring course registration? And whether you're exploring other opportunities besides law school?

[dddddd90]

Did anyone else get an email asking for fall grades and spring course registration? And whether you're exploring other opportunities besides law school?

Naw but it sounds like something that would be sent out to folks that are gonna be WL rather than dinged.

[curry1]

Did anyone else get an email asking for fall grades and spring course registration? And whether you're exploring other opportunities besides law school?

When did you get this? Also did you get a JS1? Thanks in advance!

[suitsandpotions]

Did anyone else get an email asking for fall grades and spring course registration? And whether you're exploring other opportunities besides law school?

When did you receive this?

[HonestlyThough]

Anyone have info on how quickly aid info comes? Also do most admits turn down serious money at T14s? I've been reading a lot of past threads on H/S vs Ruby/Darrow/Hamilton etc. and the majority of people seem to advise for the $.

Most H admits do not receive a full, named scholarship. Although TLS pretty unanimously advises the opposite, a strong majority of full scholarship recipients on LawSchoolNumbers choose H (or Y/S) over the money.

+1. Not commenting on whether it's a good idea, but the fact is a lot (perhaps majority?) of HYS students are in a position to pay sticker without taking out loans.

Harvard says that about 42% of JDs qualify for grants, which leaves 58% left. Of that 58% I'm sure it's a mix of people who are just above the grant cutoff but couldn't afford sticker without loans, people who have substantial assets but not enough liquid cash to pay sticker, people whose parents could pay sticker for them but won't (meaning the student would need to take loans), and people who can pay sticker and do.

The number of people who actually have access to enough money to pay sticker without taking loans is probably quite high, but I doubt it's anywhere near a majority.

You'd think, but if you look at Harvard's breakdown of the indebtedness of its graduates (presented at ASW, not sure if it's online somewhere), only 12% of its class have debt loads over $220,000. If you look at the published "average debt load" (US News has this, I think), only 12% paying close to sticker makes sense.

So of that 58% getting no grant aid, yes, the vast majority do have access to enough money not to pay sticker.

I think there's a bit of confusion.

I agree with the bolded - but I was never arguing against that.

The claim as I understood it was that some substantial number of HYS students (and perhaps even the majority) have access to enough money to pay sticker without taking loans. This would mean that they would graduate with $0 in loans. I don't know what the number of students who graduate with $0 in loans is, but I imagine it's a far cry from a majority of the class. That's all I'm claiming.

The claim that most students at HYS do not have sticker debt is an entirely different one, and one that I would agree with.

Stuck thinking about this. money or HYS?

[Dr.Degrees_Cr.Cash]

Really thought we would see a WL wave today. They've been around this time the last few years

[Pozzo]

Really thought we would see a WL wave today. They've been around this time the last few years

I think we likely have one more JS2 wave left before we see WLs or another ding wave.

[Mikey]

.

[ad34964n]

Last year the Monday of judgment week was a wave of JS2s followed by dings. That Tuesday was WL beginning at 3:00pm. Only time will tell...

[lawschool2016nyc]

I just want this to be done.

[seeprybyrun]

Anyone have info on how quickly aid info comes? Also do most admits turn down serious money at T14s? I've been reading a lot of past threads on H/S vs Ruby/Darrow/Hamilton etc. and the majority of people seem to advise for the $.

Most H admits do not receive a full, named scholarship. Although TLS pretty unanimously advises the opposite, a strong majority of full scholarship recipients on LawSchoolNumbers choose H (or Y/S) over the money.

+1. Not commenting on whether it's a good idea, but the fact is a lot (perhaps majority?) of HYS students are in a position to pay sticker without taking out loans.

Harvard says that about 42% of JDs qualify for grants, which leaves 58% left. Of that 58% I'm sure it's a mix of people who are just above the grant cutoff but couldn't afford sticker without loans, people who have substantial assets but not enough liquid cash to pay sticker, people whose parents could pay sticker for them but won't (meaning the student would need to take loans), and people who can pay sticker and do.

The number of people who actually have access to enough money to pay sticker without taking loans is probably quite high, but I doubt it's anywhere near a majority.

You'd think, but if you look at Harvard's breakdown of the indebtedness of its graduates (presented at ASW, not sure if it's online somewhere), only 12% of its class have debt loads over $220,000. If you look at the published "average debt load" (US News has this, I think), only 12% paying close to sticker makes sense.

So of that 58% getting no grant aid, yes, the vast majority do have access to enough money not to pay sticker.

I think there's a bit of confusion.

I agree with the bolded - but I was never arguing against that.

The claim as I understood it was that some substantial number of HYS students (and perhaps even the majority) have access to enough money to pay sticker without taking loans. This would mean that they would graduate with $0 in loans. I don't know what the number of students who graduate with $0 in loans is, but I imagine it's a far cry from a majority of the class. That's all I'm claiming.

The claim that most students at HYS do not have sticker debt is an entirely different one, and one that I would agree with.

Stuck thinking about this. money or HYS?

I feel like HYS is the better deal in terms of long-term opportunity, but maybe I'm wrong about this.

[baseballfan660]

I feel like HYS is the better deal in terms of long-term opportunity, but maybe I'm wrong about this.[/quote]

I have a family member that is in a NYC V20 firm. The firm's NYC office is not there headquarters, but he told me for the NYC office, for OCI they will interview anyone from Harvard, but for Columbia you need to be top 50 percent, duke/ cornell/ uva/ northwestern 40 percent. Not sure about the other t-14 schools but thats what he told me, so there is a difference although he said he thinks his firm has stricter limitations than many other NYC Big law firms.

[lilitiger99]

I feel like HYS is the better deal in terms of long-term opportunity, but maybe I'm wrong about this.

I have a family member that is in a NYC V20 firm. The firm's NYC office is not there headquarters, but he told me for the NYC office, for OCI they will interview anyone from Harvard, but for Columbia you need to be top 50 percent, duke/ cornell/ uva/ northwestern 40 percent. Not sure about the other t-14 schools but thats what he told me, so there is a difference although he said he thinks his firm has stricter limitations than many other NYC Big law firms.[/quote]

Lol this definitely has to be preference from firm to firm..

I spoke to a named partner from a V25 firm (and former judge), who said his "favorite" students to hire are Cornell grads - because they might feel like they have more to prove and (in his mind) work harder than NYU/Columbia, etc. He said HY are their least favorite, because they can't handle clients without running and reading a book after.

Although maybe I'm just taking his word and being a little salty, because I only have t14s and no word from HYS

[HonestlyThough]

I feel like HYS is the better deal in terms of long-term opportunity, but maybe I'm wrong about this.

I have a family member that is in a NYC V20 firm. The firm's NYC office is not there headquarters, but he told me for the NYC office, for OCI they will interview anyone from Harvard, but for Columbia you need to be top 50 percent, duke/ cornell/ uva/ northwestern 40 percent. Not sure about the other t-14 schools but thats what he told me, so there is a difference although he said he thinks his firm has stricter limitations than many other NYC Big law firms.

Lol this definitely has to be preference from firm to firm..

I spoke to a named partner from a V25 firm (and former judge), who said his "favorite" students to hire are Cornell grads - because they might feel like they have more to prove and (in his mind) work harder than NYU/Columbia, etc. He said HY are their least favorite, because they can't handle clients without running and reading a book after.

Although maybe I'm just taking his word and being a little salty, because I only have t14s and no word from HYS [/quote]

Does anyone have any insight on how this plays out in the PI field? Do non-profits and legal aid orgs have weird perceptions about HYS vs other T14 schools?

[taxman14]

Anyone else attending an ASW this week and hoping that the JS2 happens during it? I have the Columbia ASW tomorrow/thurs and hoping it happens during