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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby acz26 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:19 pm

MAPP wrote:
proteinshake wrote:
acz26 wrote:checking in/what do you guys think of waiting for a fee waiver since Penn won't retroactively refund you if you apply early...anyone have any clue about who gets fee waivers stats wise?

If you have stats at/above the 25ths you'll prob get one.


Is this the way it typically goes for all the schools? And by "apply early" are we saying start the application on lsac or have it completed and submitted?



apply early as in applying early in the cycle...so I guess that'd mean submitting it via LSAC, which is when you pay. And NYU refunded me, so I think it's school-dependent.

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby zeglo » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:18 pm

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby dietcoke1 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:34 pm

Is this the prompt that people are addressing when writing their Why Penn?

"These are the core strengths that make Penn Law the best place to receive a rigorous and engaging legal education: genuine integration with associated disciplines; transformative, forward-looking faculty scholarship; highly-regarded experiential learning through urban clinics and our pro bono pledge; innovative, hands-on global engagement; and a manifest commitment to professional development and collegiality. These qualities define Penn Law. What defines you? How do your goals and values match Penn Law’s core strengths?"

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby zeglo » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:51 pm

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Keilz » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:28 pm

zeglo wrote:
dietcoke1 wrote:Is this the prompt that people are addressing when writing their Why Penn?

"These are the core strengths that make Penn Law the best place to receive a rigorous and engaging legal education: genuine integration with associated disciplines; transformative, forward-looking faculty scholarship; highly-regarded experiential learning through urban clinics and our pro bono pledge; innovative, hands-on global engagement; and a manifest commitment to professional development and collegiality. These qualities define Penn Law. What defines you? How do your goals and values match Penn Law’s core strengths?"


Duh


That was rude

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby zeglo » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:28 am

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:46 pm

Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:59 pm

RamTitan wrote:Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....

Bump on this

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby KatCoco » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:55 pm

RamTitan wrote:Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....


Well if it's going to hurt your application, then don't include it... And you did already write one of the optional essays, right? There's a why penn prompt offered.

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:48 am

KatCoco wrote:
RamTitan wrote:Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....


Well if it's going to hurt your application, then don't include it... And you did already write one of the optional essays, right? There's a why penn prompt offered.

Naw, there's not. There's four different ones:

1. Diversity
2. How do your values match ours
3. Describe a time when you were a part of a team
4. Explain if your academic record/test doesn't reflect your abilities

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby pretzeltime » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:50 am

RamTitan wrote:
KatCoco wrote:
RamTitan wrote:Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....


Well if it's going to hurt your application, then don't include it... And you did already write one of the optional essays, right? There's a why penn prompt offered.

Naw, there's not. There's four different ones:

1. Diversity
2. How do your values match ours
3. Describe a time when you were a part of a team
4. Explain if your academic record/test doesn't reflect your abilities


#2 is Why Penn. They just didn't literally say

2. Why Penn?

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:06 am

pretzeltime wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
KatCoco wrote:
RamTitan wrote:Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....


Well if it's going to hurt your application, then don't include it... And you did already write one of the optional essays, right? There's a why penn prompt offered.

Naw, there's not. There's four different ones:

1. Diversity
2. How do your values match ours
3. Describe a time when you were a part of a team
4. Explain if your academic record/test doesn't reflect your abilities


#2 is Why Penn. They just didn't literally say

2. Why Penn?


It's still a different essay that "why penn though". I can't say I like your geographic placement for #2 lmao

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby pretzeltime » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:10 am

RamTitan wrote:
pretzeltime wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
KatCoco wrote:
RamTitan wrote:Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....


Well if it's going to hurt your application, then don't include it... And you did already write one of the optional essays, right? There's a why penn prompt offered.

Naw, there's not. There's four different ones:

1. Diversity
2. How do your values match ours
3. Describe a time when you were a part of a team
4. Explain if your academic record/test doesn't reflect your abilities


#2 is Why Penn. They just didn't literally say

2. Why Penn?


It's still a different essay that "why penn though". I can't say I like your geographic placement for #2 lmao


I mean the question covers literally everything except geographical location.

I think you're fine having written an extra "why penn" essay and wouldn't need to write another one of the optional ones. Especially if you think it would hurt your application??

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:14 am

pretzeltime wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
pretzeltime wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
KatCoco wrote:
RamTitan wrote:Is writing the optional essay important? I wrote a "why penn" and attached it to additional addenda. Started working on the "team player" topic, but I think it almost hurts my application actually....


Well if it's going to hurt your application, then don't include it... And you did already write one of the optional essays, right? There's a why penn prompt offered.

Naw, there's not. There's four different ones:

1. Diversity
2. How do your values match ours
3. Describe a time when you were a part of a team
4. Explain if your academic record/test doesn't reflect your abilities


#2 is Why Penn. They just didn't literally say

2. Why Penn?


It's still a different essay that "why penn though". I can't say I like your geographic placement for #2 lmao


I mean the question covers literally everything except geographical location.

I think you're fine having written an extra "why penn" essay and wouldn't need to write another one of the optional ones. Especially if you think it would hurt your application??

I think I'm going to go that route. But I might rephrase it a bit so that why adcomm doesn't think I'm an illiterate idiot for not specifically writing the second essay lol

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby R. Jeeves » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:52 am

is your why penn entirely (or mainly) about geographic location? for #2 you could prob have a paragraph that talks about location even though its not explicilty mentioned in the prompt as long as other parts of the essay talk about their programs and whatever else. i dont think an adcomm would object to that as being out of scope

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:03 pm

R. Jeeves wrote:is your why penn entirely (or mainly) about geographic location? for #2 you could prob have a paragraph that talks about location even though its not explicilty mentioned in the prompt as long as other parts of the essay talk about their programs and whatever else. i dont think an adcomm would object to that as being out of scope

The more I think about it, the more silly I feel for even raising the issue in the first place. I wrote about their geographic placement, their emphasis on a collegial student environment, small class size, and diversity of clinical opportunities.

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby R. Jeeves » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:11 pm

RamTitan wrote:
R. Jeeves wrote:is your why penn entirely (or mainly) about geographic location? for #2 you could prob have a paragraph that talks about location even though its not explicilty mentioned in the prompt as long as other parts of the essay talk about their programs and whatever else. i dont think an adcomm would object to that as being out of scope

The more I think about it, the more silly I feel for even raising the issue in the first place. I wrote about their geographic placement, their emphasis on a collegial student environment, small class size, and diversity of clinical opportunities.

yeah dude i would just put it under #2 then

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:03 pm

R. Jeeves wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
R. Jeeves wrote:is your why penn entirely (or mainly) about geographic location? for #2 you could prob have a paragraph that talks about location even though its not explicilty mentioned in the prompt as long as other parts of the essay talk about their programs and whatever else. i dont think an adcomm would object to that as being out of scope

The more I think about it, the more silly I feel for even raising the issue in the first place. I wrote about their geographic placement, their emphasis on a collegial student environment, small class size, and diversity of clinical opportunities.

yeah dude i would just put it under #2 then

Will do; probably just need to reword the first paragraph and I'll be good

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby NorthDragon » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:20 am

RamTitan wrote:
R. Jeeves wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
R. Jeeves wrote:is your why penn entirely (or mainly) about geographic location? for #2 you could prob have a paragraph that talks about location even though its not explicilty mentioned in the prompt as long as other parts of the essay talk about their programs and whatever else. i dont think an adcomm would object to that as being out of scope

The more I think about it, the more silly I feel for even raising the issue in the first place. I wrote about their geographic placement, their emphasis on a collegial student environment, small class size, and diversity of clinical opportunities.

yeah dude i would just put it under #2 then

Will do; probably just need to reword the first paragraph and I'll be good

Do we need to potentially personalize the essay? Say, raise some personal reason why I want to go to Penn? Like I have worked with some Penn Law professor or what not?

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby RamTitan » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:02 am

NorthDragon wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
R. Jeeves wrote:
RamTitan wrote:
R. Jeeves wrote:is your why penn entirely (or mainly) about geographic location? for #2 you could prob have a paragraph that talks about location even though its not explicilty mentioned in the prompt as long as other parts of the essay talk about their programs and whatever else. i dont think an adcomm would object to that as being out of scope

The more I think about it, the more silly I feel for even raising the issue in the first place. I wrote about their geographic placement, their emphasis on a collegial student environment, small class size, and diversity of clinical opportunities.

yeah dude i would just put it under #2 then

Will do; probably just need to reword the first paragraph and I'll be good

Do we need to potentially personalize the essay? Say, raise some personal reason why I want to go to Penn? Like I have worked with some Penn Law professor or what not?

Just mention the reasons why you want to attend. In Penn's case, it more about what principles the school values rather than personal reasons (like geographic placement or working with a Penn Law professor, etc.)

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby Keilz » Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:47 pm

For my values essay, do they want us to like specifically say what defines us? I pretty much organized mine as follows:

career goal, how penn's strength furthers this
public interest goal, how penn's strenght futhers this

I never explicitly say what "defines me" i took it as a given that the goals and values they discuss are what defines us?

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby DoYouEvenTLS » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:11 pm

Going to apply to Penn. Chances are (very) slim to none, but got an email for a fee waiver. Anybody know why I might've received one? My LSAT isn't anywhere near Penn's median but I have their median GPA.

Now to figure out which optional essay to complete :lol:

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby NorthDragon » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:47 pm

Keilz wrote:For my values essay, do they want us to like specifically say what defines us? I pretty much organized mine as follows:

career goal, how penn's strength furthers this
public interest goal, how penn's strenght futhers this

I never explicitly say what "defines me" i took it as a given that the goals and values they discuss are what defines us?

Yeah that's what I said.

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Re: University of Pennsylvania c/o 2020 Applicants

Postby NorthDragon » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:57 pm

Quick question: for NYU, do we need to write a detailed description of our college and post-college activities as the Yale app requires? thanks!




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