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Going faster on LG?

Postby roohafza » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:05 pm

Hi everyone! I’m new to the forum so I apologize if this is a repetitive question. I’ve taken about 7 practice LSATS now, and have been prepping on logic games a lot. I’m never able to finish in the time frame. I get the questions right, but I take a long time to do it. Does anyone have advice on improving speed with logic games? I would really appreciated it!

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Re: Going faster on LG?

Postby mwells_56 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:29 pm

roohafza wrote:Hi everyone! I’m new to the forum so I apologize if this is a repetitive question. I’ve taken about 7 practice LSATS now, and have been prepping on logic games a lot. I’m never able to finish in the time frame. I get the questions right, but I take a long time to do it. Does anyone have advice on improving speed with logic games? I would really appreciated it!


A lot of books and programs will tell you to spend a certain amount of time after you've made a game board to try and figure out if there are any inferences you can make from the rules they've given you that certain pieces can only ever be in certain places or stuff like that. I always fell into the trap of doing that and trying to "solve" the game instead of answering the questions. I would just set up a simple board and then plug and chug every question as quickly as I could. Made the games less stressful, and I got more questions right faster. Won't work for everyone, but definitely worked for me.

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Re: Going faster on LG?

Postby CardozoLaw09 » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:25 pm

Similar to what the above poster has said, the key to getting faster at logic games is spending more time upfront diagramming and making inferences based on the rules provided.

See how the rules interact with one another; rule A and rule B, taken together, can lead to an inference, which can save a lot of time for questions where that inference might come into play.

I would spend about 3 minutes on diagramming and then 3 - 5 minutes on answering the questions, this should give you enough time to complete the section and answer each question with confidence.

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Re: Going faster on LG?

Postby mwells_56 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:45 am

CardozoLaw09 wrote:Similar to what the above poster has said, the key to getting faster at logic games is spending more time upfront diagramming and making inferences based on the rules provided.

See how the rules interact with one another; rule A and rule B, taken together, can lead to an inference, which can save a lot of time for questions where that inference might come into play.

I would spend about 3 minutes on diagramming and then 3 - 5 minutes on answering the questions, this should give you enough time to complete the section and answer each question with confidence.


I was actually saying the opposite. I found that spending timing trying to draw inferences didn't leave me enough time to answer the questions. When I was trying to make inferences, I'd spend too much time trying to think of every possible permutation. Then when I got to the questions, a lot of the inferences I'd made had absolutely no bearing on the questions they asked.

So generally I would just write down the rules, set up as simple a board as possible, and jump right in to the questions. If there was an obvious inference I'd make it, but I'd mostly just brute force every question. My thinking was that there was no point in making inferences if I didn't know they'd relate to the questions. I'd draw any inferences as I went. If I discovered one when working on a question, I'd use it on the next question, but I didn't dedicate specific time to it.

I know that goes against TCW around these parts but it helped me go a lot faster and I was still getting 0-1 on every LG section. Maybe it was a quirk for me, but it's a non-TLS method that could work for other people as it did for me.

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Re: Going faster on LG?

Postby CardozoLaw09 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:23 pm

mwells_56 wrote:
CardozoLaw09 wrote:Similar to what the above poster has said, the key to getting faster at logic games is spending more time upfront diagramming and making inferences based on the rules provided.

See how the rules interact with one another; rule A and rule B, taken together, can lead to an inference, which can save a lot of time for questions where that inference might come into play.

I would spend about 3 minutes on diagramming and then 3 - 5 minutes on answering the questions, this should give you enough time to complete the section and answer each question with confidence.


I was actually saying the opposite. I found that spending timing trying to draw inferences didn't leave me enough time to answer the questions. When I was trying to make inferences, I'd spend too much time trying to think of every possible permutation. Then when I got to the questions, a lot of the inferences I'd made had absolutely no bearing on the questions they asked.

So generally I would just write down the rules, set up as simple a board as possible, and jump right in to the questions. If there was an obvious inference I'd make it, but I'd mostly just brute force every question. My thinking was that there was no point in making inferences if I didn't know they'd relate to the questions. I'd draw any inferences as I went. If I discovered one when working on a question, I'd use it on the next question, but I didn't dedicate specific time to it.

I know that goes against TCW around these parts but it helped me go a lot faster and I was still getting 0-1 on every LG section. Maybe it was a quirk for me, but it's a non-TLS method that could work for other people as it did for me.


You're right. Didn't read closely enough!

But yes, different approaches work for different people. I found games less challenging when I was able to truly understand the mechanics of the game, which I was able to do after spending a good chunk of time diagramming. But ymmv

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Re: Going faster on LG?

Postby albanach » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:46 pm

You've only taken a handful of tests, you shouldn't be worrying about time yet. You need practice to make inferences more quickly.

If you're getting everything correct, start regning in the time, but slowly. If you start making mistakes, stretch it back out. In the early days, focus on the old tests - there's plenty of material to work with while you get better and faster.

Redo questions randomly. LG are great for this, you can print out a page and take it with you. When you find you have 20 minutes free, work through the test again.



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