URM -- Need Help with LSAT Prep, 154 Diagnostic Forum
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URM -- Need Help with LSAT Prep, 154 Diagnostic
Hey Ya'll
I'm a AA Male URM. Longtime lurker, first-time poster.
4.0 LSAC GPA from HBCU.
Average softs
Beginning my LSAT studies for September/December administration.
Took the PTJune 07' and got a 157. Missed about 7-8 per section and 12 on LG.
Looking to hit the 170+ range before I sit for the LSAT.
Pretty set on HYS/or Columbia/NYU with a hefty scholarship.
Through searching the forums it seems 7Sage, LSAT Trainer, Manhattan LSAT, and Powerscore Bibles are recommended.
How should I use these? I've signed up for the 7Sage Ultimate Plus package and I have some questions...
Should I also use other books, or will 7Sage by itself be sufficient?
Do I really need to do/"fool proof" ALL games from PTs 1-35 like 7Sage recommends?
How long should I take to go through the course, roughly speaking?
Has anyone had success using one of the LSAT Trainer's 3-4 month study schedules using PTs 52-71?
Would one be ok just using the newer PTs? (From 50 to 80)
If there is someone who used 7sage or The LSAT Trainer to reach the 170+ range, would you please DM me or describe how you used these in your prep.
-Thank you in advance
I'm a AA Male URM. Longtime lurker, first-time poster.
4.0 LSAC GPA from HBCU.
Average softs
Beginning my LSAT studies for September/December administration.
Took the PTJune 07' and got a 157. Missed about 7-8 per section and 12 on LG.
Looking to hit the 170+ range before I sit for the LSAT.
Pretty set on HYS/or Columbia/NYU with a hefty scholarship.
Through searching the forums it seems 7Sage, LSAT Trainer, Manhattan LSAT, and Powerscore Bibles are recommended.
How should I use these? I've signed up for the 7Sage Ultimate Plus package and I have some questions...
Should I also use other books, or will 7Sage by itself be sufficient?
Do I really need to do/"fool proof" ALL games from PTs 1-35 like 7Sage recommends?
How long should I take to go through the course, roughly speaking?
Has anyone had success using one of the LSAT Trainer's 3-4 month study schedules using PTs 52-71?
Would one be ok just using the newer PTs? (From 50 to 80)
If there is someone who used 7sage or The LSAT Trainer to reach the 170+ range, would you please DM me or describe how you used these in your prep.
-Thank you in advance
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Re: URM -- Need Help with LSAT Prep, 154 Diagnostic
Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
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IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
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Re: URM -- Need Help with LSAT Prep, 154 Diagnostic
That's such a personal thing. The LSAT is actually pretty great in that there are a few dozen opportunities to check one's progress individually. If you're feeling lost I would recommend working on just LG until you're consistently -2 or better. From that point a few (6-10ish?) 35 minute sections of LR over the course of a week or so will lay out some data where you can start isolating question types if that's your thing.
Personally, I watched the 7Sage video on every question type of LR and did maybe half of their examples in the follow on for each section. When I then started identifying question types I was missing, I went back and did more of them until certain specific things I was missing started to appear e.g. my incomplete understanding of common flaws and my stubborn refusal to be able to differentiate SA/PSA/NA questions.
I'm not the most adept at picking stuff up quickly so I probably studied, on average, somewhere around 90 minutes a day. For someone better at the test, I started lower than you did, I figure an hour a day is probably enough with some PTs sprinkled in until you're feeling comfortable.
Personally, I watched the 7Sage video on every question type of LR and did maybe half of their examples in the follow on for each section. When I then started identifying question types I was missing, I went back and did more of them until certain specific things I was missing started to appear e.g. my incomplete understanding of common flaws and my stubborn refusal to be able to differentiate SA/PSA/NA questions.
I'm not the most adept at picking stuff up quickly so I probably studied, on average, somewhere around 90 minutes a day. For someone better at the test, I started lower than you did, I figure an hour a day is probably enough with some PTs sprinkled in until you're feeling comfortable.
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Re: URM -- Need Help with LSAT Prep, 154 Diagnostic
I found it helpful for about 1.5 months then I ditched it. I'd recommend using one of the retired schedules since they use older PTs for drilling. You can get it by emailing Mike Kim.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
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Why did you ultimately ditch it?Slippin' Jimmy wrote:I found it helpful for about 1.5 months then I ditched it. I'd recommend using one of the retired schedules since they use older PTs for drilling. You can get it by emailing Mike Kim.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
Also, do you think PTs 52-71 + 72-81 would be enough to sufficiently prep, or is using older materials the only way to get a good score?
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Re: URM -- Need Help with LSAT Prep, 154 Diagnostic
Thank you!AJordan wrote:That's such a personal thing. The LSAT is actually pretty great in that there are a few dozen opportunities to check one's progress individually. If you're feeling lost I would recommend working on just LG until you're consistently -2 or better. From that point a few (6-10ish?) 35 minute sections of LR over the course of a week or so will lay out some data where you can start isolating question types if that's your thing.
Personally, I watched the 7Sage video on every question type of LR and did maybe half of their examples in the follow on for each section. When I then started identifying question types I was missing, I went back and did more of them until certain specific things I was missing started to appear e.g. my incomplete understanding of common flaws and my stubborn refusal to be able to differentiate SA/PSA/NA questions.
I'm not the most adept at picking stuff up quickly so I probably studied, on average, somewhere around 90 minutes a day. For someone better at the test, I started lower than you did, I figure an hour a day is probably enough with some PTs sprinkled in until you're feeling comfortable.
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I did the same. The trainer is great to get a feel for the lsat and basics down. I went through the book itself without doing PTs to get a feel for everything and used older PTs for drilling individual sections. I ditched it about 2 months into prep after going through it.MovingUnits wrote:Why did you ultimately ditch it?Slippin' Jimmy wrote:I found it helpful for about 1.5 months then I ditched it. I'd recommend using one of the retired schedules since they use older PTs for drilling. You can get it by emailing Mike Kim.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
Also, do you think PTs 52-71 + 72-81 would be enough to sufficiently prep, or is using older materials the only way to get a good score?
Then I used the newer tests with some middle ones spliced in to make 5 section tests. When I floundered in RC and LR I used manhattan but it's super personal so you could also use powerscore. LG were super easy for me so I just watched the 7sage videos as needed.
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Re: URM -- Need Help with LSAT Prep, 154 Diagnostic
IExistedOnceBefore wrote:I did the same. The trainer is great to get a feel for the lsat and basics down. I went through the book itself without doing PTs to get a feel for everything and used older PTs for drilling individual sections. I ditched it about 2 months into prep after going through it.MovingUnits wrote:Why did you ultimately ditch it?Slippin' Jimmy wrote:I found it helpful for about 1.5 months then I ditched it. I'd recommend using one of the retired schedules since they use older PTs for drilling. You can get it by emailing Mike Kim.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
Also, do you think PTs 52-71 + 72-81 would be enough to sufficiently prep, or is using older materials the only way to get a good score?
Then I used the newer tests with some middle ones spliced in to make 5 section tests. When I floundered in RC and LR I used manhattan but it's super personal so you could also use powerscore. LG were super easy for me so I just watched the 7sage videos as needed.
Do you think it is a must to do older LG? Or would doing the LGs from say 52-61 be enough and then use 62-80 for full tests? I know many people would recommend using older tests (PTs 1-35), and while I get the advantages, there are 80 tests + A,B,C C2 released. If it's not already, at what point will it be ok to just focus on "newer" stuff?
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I used the older PTs (and LGs) in the beginning of my studying. I didn't want to burn up the newer tests until I was better at taking the test (in order to get a more realistic idea of my scoring range).MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:I did the same. The trainer is great to get a feel for the lsat and basics down. I went through the book itself without doing PTs to get a feel for everything and used older PTs for drilling individual sections. I ditched it about 2 months into prep after going through it.MovingUnits wrote:Why did you ultimately ditch it?Slippin' Jimmy wrote:I found it helpful for about 1.5 months then I ditched it. I'd recommend using one of the retired schedules since they use older PTs for drilling. You can get it by emailing Mike Kim.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
Also, do you think PTs 52-71 + 72-81 would be enough to sufficiently prep, or is using older materials the only way to get a good score?
Then I used the newer tests with some middle ones spliced in to make 5 section tests. When I floundered in RC and LR I used manhattan but it's super personal so you could also use powerscore. LG were super easy for me so I just watched the 7sage videos as needed.
Do you think it is a must to do older LG? Or would doing the LGs from say 52-61 be enough and then use 62-80 for full tests? I know many people would recommend using older tests (PTs 1-35), and while I get the advantages, there are 80 tests + A,B,C C2 released. If it's not already, at what point will it be ok to just focus on "newer" stuff?
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I took the LSAT in February and there was a game that was a mimic setup of something I saw in the teens/20s and hadn't seen since. I was damn glad I had done every logic game. It was the fourth game in my set and clearly designed to throw people off. I did it in sub five minutes. The only excuse for not doing them all is your own choices.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:I did the same. The trainer is great to get a feel for the lsat and basics down. I went through the book itself without doing PTs to get a feel for everything and used older PTs for drilling individual sections. I ditched it about 2 months into prep after going through it.MovingUnits wrote:Why did you ultimately ditch it?Slippin' Jimmy wrote:I found it helpful for about 1.5 months then I ditched it. I'd recommend using one of the retired schedules since they use older PTs for drilling. You can get it by emailing Mike Kim.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
Also, do you think PTs 52-71 + 72-81 would be enough to sufficiently prep, or is using older materials the only way to get a good score?
Then I used the newer tests with some middle ones spliced in to make 5 section tests. When I floundered in RC and LR I used manhattan but it's super personal so you could also use powerscore. LG were super easy for me so I just watched the 7sage videos as needed.
Do you think it is a must to do older LG? Or would doing the LGs from say 52-61 be enough and then use 62-80 for full tests? I know many people would recommend using older tests (PTs 1-35), and while I get the advantages, there are 80 tests + A,B,C C2 released. If it's not already, at what point will it be ok to just focus on "newer" stuff?
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Ok, that makes sense for sure. I didn't realize they repeated older LGs from that long ago... I will plan to do them all. Thank you!AJordan wrote:I took the LSAT in February and there was a game that was a mimic setup of something I saw in the teens/20s and hadn't seen since. I was damn glad I had done every logic game. It was the fourth game in my set and clearly designed to throw people off. I did it in sub five minutes. The only excuse for not doing them all is your own choices.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:I did the same. The trainer is great to get a feel for the lsat and basics down. I went through the book itself without doing PTs to get a feel for everything and used older PTs for drilling individual sections. I ditched it about 2 months into prep after going through it.MovingUnits wrote:Why did you ultimately ditch it?Slippin' Jimmy wrote:I found it helpful for about 1.5 months then I ditched it. I'd recommend using one of the retired schedules since they use older PTs for drilling. You can get it by emailing Mike Kim.MovingUnits wrote:IExistedOnceBefore wrote:Start with the trainer. It lays a good foundation. I started there and then supplement with 7sage/manhattan/powescore as you get deeper into prep. You're in good shape to get a great score.
Thank you. Would you recommend one of the corresponding study schedules?
Also, do you think PTs 52-71 + 72-81 would be enough to sufficiently prep, or is using older materials the only way to get a good score?
Then I used the newer tests with some middle ones spliced in to make 5 section tests. When I floundered in RC and LR I used manhattan but it's super personal so you could also use powerscore. LG were super easy for me so I just watched the 7sage videos as needed.
Do you think it is a must to do older LG? Or would doing the LGs from say 52-61 be enough and then use 62-80 for full tests? I know many people would recommend using older tests (PTs 1-35), and while I get the advantages, there are 80 tests + A,B,C C2 released. If it's not already, at what point will it be ok to just focus on "newer" stuff?
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