The Official September 2017 Study Group Forum

[chargers21]

Canadians using the metric system in here...

[tofuspeedstar]

(side note, the amount of excel sheets that come up when I search "LSAT" on my desktop is absolutely horrifying.)

(Eta: also truly sorry for hijacking y'all's thread already gosh I should see myself out now.)

Noo, you can't leave!!

Also, re: excel spreadsheets is it just LSAT preptests or something else?

Ah! I was wondering where you went from our waiters thread. Hello!

Are you talking to me or Alex? If me, then hi, and yeah aiming at this test *fingers crossed*!!

Yes. You. Lol

Haha, yeah I kept postponing the test so I wasn't too active on the threads, but I feel prepared this time around so fingers crossed it works out!

Congrats on finishing the LSAT though! Have you decided on a school?

Thank SB and nope

[galeatus]

Guyz you post too much for me to keep up

I haven't touched anything LSAT since Sept. I'm looking to start up in June. Do you think I have forgotten everything or it is like ingrained in my brain?

Also for Cambridge packets, I know they have PTs 1-40 by type. Do you think they're still relevant to newer RC sections? I feel like RC used to be more straight forward and now it has more to do with inferences you make. I already have the packets but wondering if they will be useful for someone who wants to make RC their bitch.

You should still remember a fair bit of the techniques, though you'll probably feel a bit rusty on LG. As for the test material itself, you should have probably forgotten most of it so you can treat a lot of the old PTs as fresh ones.

As for the Cambridge packets, despite the questions being slightly different from the newer ones I think they're still great tools for just drilling reading for structure and, once you find an RC strategy that works for you, perfecting that strategy.

[littlewing67]

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[34iplaw]

Guyz you post too much for me to keep up

I haven't touched anything LSAT since Sept. I'm looking to start up in June. Do you think I have forgotten everything or it is like ingrained in my brain?

Also for Cambridge packets, I know they have PTs 1-40 by type. Do you think they're still relevant to newer RC sections? I feel like RC used to be more straight forward and now it has more to do with inferences you make. I already have the packets but wondering if they will be useful for someone who wants to make RC their bitch.

You should still remember a fair bit of the techniques, though you'll probably feel a bit rusty on LG. As for the test material itself, you should have probably forgotten most of it so you can treat a lot of the old PTs as fresh ones.

As for the Cambridge packets, despite the questions being slightly different from the newer ones I think they're still great tools for just drilling reading for structure and, once you find an RC strategy that works for you, perfecting that strategy.

The first time I went over my Sept. test to review it, I barely remembered any of the questions so that's good for me to be able to reuse material. I still have a fair amount of virgin tests left to prep with.

Thanks

Agreed with the above.

[Alexandros]

If you are still in UG and have wiggle room in your schedule, take some introductory philosophy courses. I'm not even kidding this will help your LSAT score.

I took one and didnt think it helped tbh lol

then again, I did half-ass my way through it so.. lol

formal logic had some overlap but also had the lowest average of any course I've taken in UG, so, y'know.

I'm a big proponent of language classes if you need an easy A+. The marking is objective and the content is brutally easy. I wouldn't touch anything requiring essays with a 100m pole.

Same, which is a pity because they're usually interesting and writing is a good skill to have. But if you end up with that TA that gives out one A per paper in 60-70 students, with a C average, aka my political theory class last year, you're basically fucked.

[Alexandros]

Canadians using the metric system in here...

how many cm tall r u Chargers

[oopsu812]

If you are still in UG and have wiggle room in your schedule, take some introductory philosophy courses. I'm not even kidding this will help your LSAT score.

I took one and didnt think it helped tbh lol

then again, I did half-ass my way through it so.. lol

formal logic had some overlap but also had the lowest average of any course I've taken in UG, so, y'know.

I'm a big proponent of language classes if you need an easy A+. The marking is objective and the content is brutally easy. I wouldn't touch anything requiring essays with a 100m pole.

Same, which is a pity because they're usually interesting and writing is a good skill to have. But if you end up with that TA that gives out one A per paper in 60-70 students, with a C average, aka my political theory class last year, you're basically fucked.

It's so frustrating. One of my majors is PoliSci, so I unfortunately can't avoid it, and nothing stresses me out more than when the prof straight up says, "I don't give A+s." This is a reason why I always argue with my STEM friends about the difficulty of arts/social science programs. Sure it's easier to not fail than in STEM, but it's harder to get those A+s.

[chargers21]

Canadians using the metric system in here...

how many cm tall r u Chargers

Uhhhh 2?

[Alexandros]

If you are still in UG and have wiggle room in your schedule, take some introductory philosophy courses. I'm not even kidding this will help your LSAT score.

I took one and didnt think it helped tbh lol

then again, I did half-ass my way through it so.. lol

formal logic had some overlap but also had the lowest average of any course I've taken in UG, so, y'know.

I'm a big proponent of language classes if you need an easy A+. The marking is objective and the content is brutally easy. I wouldn't touch anything requiring essays with a 100m pole.

Same, which is a pity because they're usually interesting and writing is a good skill to have. But if you end up with that TA that gives out one A per paper in 60-70 students, with a C average, aka my political theory class last year, you're basically fucked.

It's so frustrating. One of my majors is PoliSci, so I unfortunately can't avoid it, and nothing stresses me out more than when the prof straight up says, "I don't give A+s." This is a reason why I always argue with my STEM friends about the difficulty of arts/social science programs. Sure it's easier to not fail than in STEM, but it's harder to get those A+s.

The thing about STEM is that it often takes more work but the grades are much more in your control. I love Poli Sci (and arts/humanities/ss courses) but if it's mostly or totally paper based it's just so shot in the dark grades-wise. I'd almost rather take a brutally dense neurology class, spend hours memorizing the textbook, and be relatively confident I'll do well, than an "easier" arts course where who the fuck knows.

[oopsu812]

I'm a big proponent of language classes if you need an easy A+. The marking is objective and the content is brutally easy. I wouldn't touch anything requiring essays with a 100m pole.

Same, which is a pity because they're usually interesting and writing is a good skill to have. But if you end up with that TA that gives out one A per paper in 60-70 students, with a C average, aka my political theory class last year, you're basically fucked.

It's so frustrating. One of my majors is PoliSci, so I unfortunately can't avoid it, and nothing stresses me out more than when the prof straight up says, "I don't give A+s." This is a reason why I always argue with my STEM friends about the difficulty of arts/social science programs. Sure it's easier to not fail than in STEM, but it's harder to get those A+s.

The thing about STEM is that it often takes more work but the grades are much more in your control. I love Poli Sci (and arts/humanities/ss courses) but if it's mostly or totally paper based it's just so shot in the dark grades-wise. I'd almost rather take a brutally dense neurology class, spend hours memorizing the textbook, and be relatively confident I'll do well, than an "easier" arts course where who the fuck knows.

Exactly. I'd rather have the best 2 of 3 midterms I took count for 50% of my grade than a single research essay, thank you very much.

[Alexandros]

Side note, man I just want >3 hours of sleep, plz.
If I've been acting weird these past couple of days ~2 hrs of sleep for multiple nights on end iz my excuse, thx.
that and overwhelming grief #RIPSweet

[chargers21]

My major had a pretty low gpa at my school, so I'm kind of happy I beat the odds a little and came out with a high gpa. Also, I was looking around and I could probably easily get into a top 5 psych program if I wanted to, maybe even Harvard. I think I'm going to take the GRE this summer. You think whatever school I go to will let me tack on an MA/PhD/MBA at some point? Kind of having those "I'm going to law school next year but I wish I would have explored other things a little first" regrets right now. I was basically guaranteed a PhD position at my UG which is t20 for psych where I would have profited off the fellowship. If they offered an MA I would have done it

[Rupert Pupkin]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

[Alexandros]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

[dj9i27]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

I'm still super conflicted and somewhat concerned on this. Someone said before that "We aren't in a shortage of law degrees" and the market is still now riding a slow upswing. Why flood it with GRE plebs who didn't want to go to LS in the first place?

[Alexandros]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

I'm still super conflicted and somewhat concerned on this. Someone said before that "We aren't in a shortage of law degrees" and the market is still now riding a slow upswing. Why flood it with GRE plebs who didn't want to go to LS in the first place?

This 100%.

Applicants are on the decline, high scores are on the decline, and, at least judging by last cycle's data, GPAs are on the decline - so that might have something to do with it. And individual LS's may or may not care that law is super-oversaturated. Although, imo, being cognizant of this and not flooding the field with people who aren't genuine about law school is in their long-term interest.

[dj9i27]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

I'm still super conflicted and somewhat concerned on this. Someone said before that "We aren't in a shortage of law degrees" and the market is still now riding a slow upswing. Why flood it with GRE plebs who didn't want to go to LS in the first place?

This 100%.

Applicants are on the decline, high scores are on the decline, and, at least judging by last cycle's data, GPAs are on the decline - so that might have something to do with it. And individual LS's may or may not care that law is super-oversaturated. Although, imo, being cognizant of this and not flooding the field with people who aren't genuine about law school is in their long-term interest.

please get desperate LS, please.

I think we need to have a quantity over quality thought but ls in some way is a business. I am a little curious to see how widespread of knowledge this is. anecdotal as it may be, not many around here have a clue

[Alexandros]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

I'm still super conflicted and somewhat concerned on this. Someone said before that "We aren't in a shortage of law degrees" and the market is still now riding a slow upswing. Why flood it with GRE plebs who didn't want to go to LS in the first place?

This 100%.

Applicants are on the decline, high scores are on the decline, and, at least judging by last cycle's data, GPAs are on the decline - so that might have something to do with it. And individual LS's may or may not care that law is super-oversaturated. Although, imo, being cognizant of this and not flooding the field with people who aren't genuine about law school is in their long-term interest.

please get desperate LS, please.

I think we need to have a quantity over quality thought but ls in some way is a business. I am a little curious to see how widespread of knowledge this is. anecdotal as it may be, not many around here have a clue

Any law school admissions officer can probably be reasonably expected to know the state of the legal field pretty well.

I just hope some of the other schools will share our reservations and not all just jump on board the "accepting GREs" boat. I also hope my musing earlier that it might take some time to catch on among applicants once it's initiated will have some truth, although tbh probably wishful thinking.

[oopsu812]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

I'm still super conflicted and somewhat concerned on this. Someone said before that "We aren't in a shortage of law degrees" and the market is still now riding a slow upswing. Why flood it with GRE plebs who didn't want to go to LS in the first place?

This 100%.

Applicants are on the decline, high scores are on the decline, and, at least judging by last cycle's data, GPAs are on the decline - so that might have something to do with it. And individual LS's may or may not care that law is super-oversaturated. Although, imo, being cognizant of this and not flooding the field with people who aren't genuine about law school is in their long-term interest.

please get desperate LS, please.

I think we need to have a quantity over quality thought but ls in some way is a business. I am a little curious to see how widespread of knowledge this is. anecdotal as it may be, not many around here have a clue

Any law school admissions officer can probably be reasonably expected to know the state of the legal field pretty well.

I just hope some of the other schools will share our reservations and not all just jump on board the "accepting GREs" boat. I also hope my musing earlier that it might take some time to catch on among applicants once it's initiated will have some truth, although tbh probably wishful thinking.

I'd imagine schools with huge classes to fill will be jumping at the opportunity to follow suit, while those with smaller class sizes won't be eager.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Alex and DJ- you guys wrecked the GRE thread haha. Definitely agree with all of your points. This is really interesting/concerning

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

I'm still super conflicted and somewhat concerned on this. Someone said before that "We aren't in a shortage of law degrees" and the market is still now riding a slow upswing. Why flood it with GRE plebs who didn't want to go to LS in the first place?

This 100%.

Applicants are on the decline, high scores are on the decline, and, at least judging by last cycle's data, GPAs are on the decline - so that might have something to do with it. And individual LS's may or may not care that law is super-oversaturated. Although, imo, being cognizant of this and not flooding the field with people who aren't genuine about law school is in their long-term interest.

please get desperate LS, please.

I think we need to have a quantity over quality thought but ls in some way is a business. I am a little curious to see how widespread of knowledge this is. anecdotal as it may be, not many around here have a clue

Any law school admissions officer can probably be reasonably expected to know the state of the legal field pretty well.

I just hope some of the other schools will share our reservations and not all just jump on board the "accepting GREs" boat. I also hope my musing earlier that it might take some time to catch on among applicants once it's initiated will have some truth, although tbh probably wishful thinking.

Yeah I agree with all this. I don't understand why they would flood apps with GREs...if anything just lower the LSAT median like has been occuring and that should adjust for what they are trying to achieve.

Alex, I hope it doesn't...even for HLS sake. Is H doing it next fall for apps or the year after? I might just go bonanza and right after the LSAT crush the GRE in a month or so.

[Alexandros]

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[Rupert Pupkin]

I'm just really hoping it won't have a major effect on admissions outcomes anytime in the next few years.

Also, Jager, you'll be fine. The only t14 accepting GREs next fall is H. You have nothing to worry about.

I'm still super conflicted and somewhat concerned on this. Someone said before that "We aren't in a shortage of law degrees" and the market is still now riding a slow upswing. Why flood it with GRE plebs who didn't want to go to LS in the first place?

This 100%.

Applicants are on the decline, high scores are on the decline, and, at least judging by last cycle's data, GPAs are on the decline - so that might have something to do with it. And individual LS's may or may not care that law is super-oversaturated. Although, imo, being cognizant of this and not flooding the field with people who aren't genuine about law school is in their long-term interest.

please get desperate LS, please.

I think we need to have a quantity over quality thought but ls in some way is a business. I am a little curious to see how widespread of knowledge this is. anecdotal as it may be, not many around here have a clue

Any law school admissions officer can probably be reasonably expected to know the state of the legal field pretty well.

I just hope some of the other schools will share our reservations and not all just jump on board the "accepting GREs" boat. I also hope my musing earlier that it might take some time to catch on among applicants once it's initiated will have some truth, although tbh probably wishful thinking.

Yeah I agree with all this. I don't understand why they would flood apps with GREs...if anything just lower the LSAT median like has been occuring and that should adjust for what they are trying to achieve.

Alex, I hope it doesn't...even for HLS sake. Is H doing it next fall for apps or the year after? I might just go bonanza and right after the LSAT crush the GRE in a month or so.

I thought it was next fall but someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also somewhat confused because Spivey said the ABA approval stuff wouldn't happen until 2018-2019.

Yeah thats what I was confused about. 2017-2018 cycle or 2018-2019

[Alexandros]

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