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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:33 pm 
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hereyago wrote:
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PT 48:
LR1:-0
LG:-0
RC:-0
LR2:-0
Total:-0 Score: 180

Get out of here LSAT. I'm donewhitchu. OUT.

I felt in the zone for this one. WHY IS THE TEST A MONTH AWAY?


How long have you been prepping? How many PTs have you taken so far? Are you just naturally good @ reading?


1) Since the beginning of March.
2) I've cannibalized quite a few, but I'd guess that I've taken about 15-20 whole tests.
3) Always been a reader/writer. Majored in English in college, wrote an honors thesis in English, etc etc.


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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thestalkmore wrote:
hereyago wrote:
thestalkmore wrote:
PT 48:
LR1:-0
LG:-0
RC:-0
LR2:-0
Total:-0 Score: 180

Get out of here LSAT. I'm donewhitchu. OUT.

I felt in the zone for this one. WHY IS THE TEST A MONTH AWAY?


How long have you been prepping? How many PTs have you taken so far? Are you just naturally good @ reading?


1) Since the beginning of March.
2) I've cannibalized quite a few, but I'd guess that I've taken about 15-20 whole tests.
3) Always been a reader/writer. Majored in English in college, wrote an honors thesis in English, etc etc.


LSAT must be a joke for you then :D

Grats! I am jelly :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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hereyago wrote:
thestalkmore wrote:
hereyago wrote:
thestalkmore wrote:
PT 48:
LR1:-0
LG:-0
RC:-0
LR2:-0
Total:-0 Score: 180

Get out of here LSAT. I'm donewhitchu. OUT.

I felt in the zone for this one. WHY IS THE TEST A MONTH AWAY?


How long have you been prepping? How many PTs have you taken so far? Are you just naturally good @ reading?


1) Since the beginning of March.
2) I've cannibalized quite a few, but I'd guess that I've taken about 15-20 whole tests.
3) Always been a reader/writer. Majored in English in college, wrote an honors thesis in English, etc etc.


LSAT must be a joke for you then :D

Grats! I am jelly :cry:


No need to be jelly, you'll get there.


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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thestalkmore wrote:
PT 48:
LR1:-0
LG:-0
RC:-0
LR2:-0
Total:-0 Score: 180

Get out of here LSAT. I'm donewhitchu. OUT.

I felt in the zone for this one. WHY IS THE TEST A MONTH AWAY?


Damn that's ridiculous. Good job.

I know how you feel, I hit an awesome stride a few weeks ago where I rattled off 178,178, 179 in 3 PT's and was like "seriously, I cannot wait a month to do this."
Considering my scores have not stayed as consistent as that, I guess I can still use this month to study and learn more.


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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Thestalkmore, no need for you to be here anymore. See you in the June scores waiting thread. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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shifty_eyed wrote:
Thestalkmore, no need for you to be here anymore. See you in the June scores waiting thread. :wink:


I've gotten comfortable. You'll have to peel me off with a spatula by the time score releases come around. And besides, I like the company.


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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thestalkmore wrote:
PT 48:
LR1:-0
LG:-0
RC:-0
LR2:-0
Total:-0 Score: 180

Get out of here LSAT. I'm donewhitchu. OUT.

I felt in the zone for this one. WHY IS THE TEST A MONTH AWAY?

That's my boy... like i said, disregard females acquire currency.

PT 51.5 tomorrow, so excited! :)


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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thestalkmore wrote:
PT 48:
LR1:-0
LG:-0
RC:-0
LR2:-0
Total:-0 Score: 180

Get out of here LSAT. I'm donewhitchu. OUT.

I felt in the zone for this one. WHY IS THE TEST A MONTH AWAY?


Niiiiiiice! I know how you feel about the test being a month away. I have 180ed a couple, but I haven't -0ed one yet, so color me impressed!


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Anybody seen Chronicle? I just watched it. Pretty slick.


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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Retaking the LSAT for the third time. Cancel in Oct 2011, 169 in Dec. I am already in my law school and I deferred admission. Going to try to hit 171+ so I get a big ass merit based scholarship (already in top 25% GPA in my entering class). Just signed up for LSAT today and the place I wanted to take the exam is now unavailable so now I have to take it at the shitty college that will likely have incompetent proctors and loud, obnoxious people with double digit IQs.

Regardless, I hope this doesn't impede my efforts too much. I just bought 20 prep tests which I have already taken, but I completed them last summer, so I think they will still help me (and I have no other choice, really). I also bought the Manhattan study guides. I used Powerscore last summer, so I hope Manhattan helps more.

Any advice?


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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A perfect score, god damn... I have been prepping for over 2 months now and I am still in this 165-170 range... When I do good in one section, I get raped in another. It just seems like I am making zero improvement :(. Kind of like today, I took PT 46 and did decent in RC for a change but completely bombed the LR section:

PT 46: 166

RC: -1
LR: -7
LR: -6
LG: 0

The mistakes become so obvious under review but I seem oblivious to them at the time. Not sure exactly what to do at this point, I am just going to keep reviewing and doing a PT every day until the test date. Maybe the brute force method will somehow re-trigger my brain to operate in a way that isn't so stupid...


Also, I had to revise my RC method. I was originally doing the non-mapping method but found my score had way too much of a variance (-1 to -7). I went back to (physically) tracking the viewpoints, examples, tone shifts, etc. and my variance has minimized at the expense of time. At this point, I will take the excess time over the variance.


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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Is there a specific order in difficulty of the RC passages? I thought that they got progressively harder, but in certain cases (such as the one below), Passage 3 was significantly harder than Passage 4. This puzzles me seeing how if you allot a given time for... say the second passage thinking, "Oh, this is the second one so I'll give myself 8 minutes," when in fact it's supposed to be significantly harder than Passage 3 or 4 (and thus supposed to take longer).

Been trying to assess where the hell I'm going in regards to timing. Thoughts? Too slow in reading/questions or a particular passage? I have no clue where to spend the "normal" amount of time (one minute per question? 4 minutes reading each passage?). Tips appreciated!

PT-39
TIME: 41:37 min
WRONG: -6

Passage 1 (8 questions)
Reading: 4:12 min
Questions: 5:41 min
TOTAL: 9:53 min
WRONG: 0

Passage 2 (8 questions)
Reading: 5:12 min
Questions: 6:19 min
TOTAL: 11:31 min
WRONG: 1 (#15)

Passage 3 (7 questions)
Reading: 4:48 min
Questions: 6:25 min
TOTAL: 11:12 min
WRONG: 3 (#19, 20, 21)

Passage 4 (5 questions)
Reading: 4:16 min
Questions: 4:45 min
TOTAL: 9:01 min
WRONG : 2 (#25, 27)


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:12 am 
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thestalkmore wrote:
Hey Brandow/out,

Moved out of my place, hence my missing PT57 review. When's the next one?



Jesus dude did you have to smack PT 48 so hard??

I personally am in a bit of a slump despite all of my trash-talking haha... need some of MLBrandow's games magic to get me back in the action. RC is looking good and feeling good too though so thanks for your help on that.

PT 62

RC - 1
LR - 1
LG - 4 (I was shitting bricks during this section for some reason...)
LR - 2

Raw: 93
Scaled: 174


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Gahhh did some LR yesterday and had another poor showing. I'm still kinda jetlagged, and I haven't been sleeping well for other reasons. I really need to get my focus back, this is crunch time. Gotta go start listening to "Till I Collapse" on repreat.


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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Is there a specific order in difficulty of the RC passages? I thought that they got progressively harder, but in certain cases (such as the one below), Passage 3 was significantly harder than Passage 4. This puzzles me seeing how if you allot a given time for... say the second passage thinking, "Oh, this is the second one so I'll give myself 8 minutes," when in fact it's supposed to be significantly harder than Passage 3 or 4 (and thus supposed to take longer).

Been trying to assess where the hell I'm going in regards to timing. Thoughts? Too slow in reading/questions or a particular passage? I have no clue where to spend the "normal" amount of time (one minute per question? 4 minutes reading each passage?). Tips appreciated!

PT-39
TIME: 41:37 min
WRONG: -6

Passage 1 (8 questions)
Reading: 4:12 min
Questions: 5:41 min
TOTAL: 9:53 min
WRONG: 0

Passage 2 (8 questions)
Reading: 5:12 min
Questions: 6:19 min
TOTAL: 11:31 min
WRONG: 1 (#15)

Passage 3 (7 questions)
Reading: 4:48 min
Questions: 6:25 min
TOTAL: 11:12 min
WRONG: 3 (#19, 20, 21)

Passage 4 (5 questions)
Reading: 4:16 min
Questions: 4:45 min
TOTAL: 9:01 min
WRONG : 2 (#25, 27)


I don't think there is an order really. At least not one that explains my RC misses. Sometimes the hardest passages have the easiest questions and vice versa.

I have never broken my timing down as specifically as you did here, but my gut tells me that it's a little bit of both (too much time spent reading and too much time spent answering). I would try to get through the passage faster first, but also make a point of not wasting time debating between two likely answers. Choose one, then circle the question and return to it if you have time. No point wasting time on a question that you will probably end up missing anyway (just in my experience!).


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outlookingin wrote:

I personally am in a bit of a slump


Scaled: 174



NO!!!!


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shifty_eyed wrote:
outlookingin wrote:

I personally am in a bit of a slump


Scaled: 174



NO!!!!


Yes. I'm coming back on Tuesday though so don't even worry for me haha


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 10:26 am 
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shifty_eyed wrote:
californihuh wrote:
Is there a specific order in difficulty of the RC passages? I thought that they got progressively harder, but in certain cases (such as the one below), Passage 3 was significantly harder than Passage 4. This puzzles me seeing how if you allot a given time for... say the second passage thinking, "Oh, this is the second one so I'll give myself 8 minutes," when in fact it's supposed to be significantly harder than Passage 3 or 4 (and thus supposed to take longer).

Been trying to assess where the hell I'm going in regards to timing. Thoughts? Too slow in reading/questions or a particular passage? I have no clue where to spend the "normal" amount of time (one minute per question? 4 minutes reading each passage?). Tips appreciated!

PT-39
TIME: 41:37 min
WRONG: -6

Passage 1 (8 questions)
Reading: 4:12 min
Questions: 5:41 min
TOTAL: 9:53 min
WRONG: 0

Passage 2 (8 questions)
Reading: 5:12 min
Questions: 6:19 min
TOTAL: 11:31 min
WRONG: 1 (#15)

Passage 3 (7 questions)
Reading: 4:48 min
Questions: 6:25 min
TOTAL: 11:12 min
WRONG: 3 (#19, 20, 21)

Passage 4 (5 questions)
Reading: 4:16 min
Questions: 4:45 min
TOTAL: 9:01 min
WRONG : 2 (#25, 27)


I don't think there is an order really. At least not one that explains my RC misses. Sometimes the hardest passages have the easiest questions and vice versa.

I have never broken my timing down as specifically as you did here, but my gut tells me that it's a little bit of both (too much time spent reading and too much time spent answering). I would try to get through the passage faster first, but also make a point of not wasting time debating between two likely answers. Choose one, then circle the question and return to it if you have time. No point wasting time on a question that you will probably end up missing anyway (just in my experience!).


Yeah I agree with everything Shifty just said, but recently I did go so far as to time myself and check on detail stuff like that in the RC section so let me weigh in here and see if what I say makes sense (note: thestalkmore helped me out with RC, so a lot of these ideas are his. The rest is just my experience)

I read my passages anywhere from 2:15 to 3:30. No longer than that. In the old, panicky and slow days I'd be sitting there reading 3-4 minutes, trying to understand every little detail of what I was reading. I wanted to understand every sentence, and every word. This was a terrible idea as it did little to improve my total section performance--I'd run out of time.

Now (reading between 2:15 and 3:30, and with the +3min only when it's really tough) I am going for about 80% comprehension, with the 20% that I leave behind being "micro-concepts" like how a particular protein binds to the cell membrane or how Lichtenstein felt about this particular dude's work in 1961. I'll remember exactly where that discussion took place, and if it is ever asked about I will go back and re-read that moment in the passage. I've been surprised at how rarely this happens, though, because turns out there are a bunch of different "micro-concepts" in a passage and they're only going to ask about like two of them. My initial 80% read is surprisingly good enough for most questions--it gets me to where I need to be with a "macro" understanding and a knowledge of where everything is. Trying to understand all of those micro-concepts had been wasting my time in the same way that understanding every aspect of a Must Be True question in LR would be a waste--they're only going to ask you about the interaction of two premise, but they've got about 6 in the stimulus. In the RC, there are about 6 questions and there is no way they can ask you about everything that's going on in the passage--there are probably more than 100 premises, sub-conclusions, and conclusions stuck in there. It's just one big stimulus.

As for how much time to spend on a question, this varies quite a lot I think. Sometimes you can crush a question that you already know the answer to--you remember it from the 80% read-through. Most times, though, it requires some elimination of poor answer choices and then a final showdown between two reasonable-sounding ACs. Once you've got it down to these suckers just read them alongside each other and see who's better (as Dave Hall says, the softer language is usually better). And then, about as rarely as the questions you can crush right off the bat, there will be a question that you absolutely don't know the answer to but (crucially) you at least remember where to find it. If you don't know where to look for this answer then you haven't done your job during the 80% read-through (you were supposed to remember where everything is, even if you didn't understand it fully). Go back to that moment where it discusses that exact micro-concept and re-read, come back to the answer choices and repeat the process discussed above. If I still don't find an answer that I like (this is rare but it happens on really tough passages) I'll cut myself off after about 1:30 (using internal clock), circle it and move on. It's not worth it.

On average, I deal with my passages in anywhere between 7 minutes to 9 minutes, with the very rare outliers around 10 minutes or 6 minutes. These sections are pretty well balanced in my opinion, just like the games, so I don't think you'll find a section that is unmanageably chock-full of tough passages. The whole section takes me around 30-33 minutes (not as fast as shifty and others).

Lastly: I'm no expert. But again I have recently put time into thinking about this section and this is what I've got. I feel good about it, so I thought I'd share.

Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: June 2012 Study Group / Study Partner Thread
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Yeah I agree with everything Shifty just said, but recently I did go so far as to time myself and check on detail stuff like that in the RC section so let me weigh in here and see if what I say makes sense (note: thestalkmore helped me out with RC, so a lot of these ideas are his. The rest is just my experience)

I read my passages anywhere from 2:15 to 3:30. No longer than that. In the old, panicky and slow days I'd be sitting there reading 3-4 minutes, trying to understand every little detail of what I was reading. I wanted to understand every sentence, and every word. This was a terrible idea as it did little to improve my total section performance--I'd run out of time.

Now (reading between 2:15 and 3:30, and with the +3min only when it's really tough) I am going for about 80% comprehension, with the 20% that I leave behind being "micro-concepts" like how a particular protein binds to the cell membrane or how Lichtenstein felt about this particular dude's work in 1961. I'll remember exactly where that discussion took place, and if it is ever asked about I will go back and re-read that moment in the passage. I've been surprised at how rarely this happens, though, because turns out there are a bunch of different "micro-concepts" in a passage and they're only going to ask about like two of them. My initial 80% read is surprisingly good enough for most questions--it gets me to where I need to be with a "macro" understanding and a knowledge of where everything is. Trying to understand all of those micro-concepts had been wasting my time in the same way that understanding every aspect of a Must Be True question in LR would be a waste--they're only going to ask you about the interaction of two premise, but they've got about 6 in the stimulus. In the RC, there are about 6 questions and there is no way they can ask you about everything that's going on in the passage--there are probably more than 100 premises, sub-conclusions, and conclusions stuck in there. It's just one big stimulus.

As for how much time to spend on a question, this varies quite a lot I think. Sometimes you can crush a question that you already know the answer to--you remember it from the 80% read-through. Most times, though, it requires some elimination of poor answer choices and then a final showdown between two reasonable-sounding ACs. Once you've got it down to these suckers just read them alongside each other and see who's better (as Dave Hall says, the softer language is usually better). And then, about as rarely as the questions you can crush right off the bat, there will be a question that you absolutely don't know the answer to but (crucially) you at least remember where to find it. If you don't know where to look for this answer then you haven't done your job during the 80% read-through (you were supposed to remember where everything is, even if you didn't understand it fully). Go back to that moment where it discusses that exact micro-concept and re-read, come back to the answer choices and repeat the process discussed above. If I still don't find an answer that I like (this is rare but it happens on really tough passages) I'll cut myself off after about 1:30 (using internal clock), circle it and move on. It's not worth it.

On average, I deal with my passages in anywhere between 7 minutes to 9 minutes, with the very rare outliers around 10 minutes or 6 minutes. These sections are pretty well balanced in my opinion, just like the games, so I don't think you'll find a section that is unmanageably chock-full of tough passages. The whole section takes me around 30-33 minutes (not as fast as shifty and others).

Lastly: I'm no expert. But again I have recently put time into thinking about this section and this is what I've got. I feel good about it, so I thought I'd share.

Good luck!


Thanks for this. That's some damn good advice.

I think I figured out my RC problem. I've been thinking I should try to read the passages faster. So I decided to time myself on a few them. Read three passages, each well under 2 minutes. I couldn't have been more wrong.

So if any fast readers out there are struggling with RC, try reading slower for a few PTs. It worked for me.

I've decided to take a break from PTs next week. I'm still averaging in the 170s, but I can feel myself burning out. So I'm going to make sure my LG game is tight. I'm going to try to do LG sections 1-53 next week. I'm starting to love LGs! I'm a sick fuck.


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princeR wrote:
lovejopd wrote:
Feeling excited to finish my undergrad with A in U.S. history course! :D
Now I have +4.1 and should break at least 160 in June!!

Hope everyone gets high GPA for Spring semester and bumps up their cumulative GPAs so that it could reduce the anxiety of booming LSAT a little bit more~ :mrgreen:


With a 4.1 I would honestly kill myself if I didn't take the opportunity to hit a 170... you realize you could get into HYS?


I wish I could improve my LSAT as I never broke the 170 even untimed :(

Also, I have a timing issue on LR and Reading as I am a slow reader...that makes me really depressed and sad these days~

I am not sure how I can improve on speed on LR and Reading~~

Anyway, I will attend commendment this Sunday! Yay! :mrgreen:


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Question for the other Velocity guys in here...have any of you included materials like the Powerscore and Manhattan books in your prep, and if so, have you found the information to mesh pretty well, or does it clash with Velocity's approach.


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Question for the other Velocity guys in here...have any of you included materials like the Powerscore and Manhattan books in your prep, and if so, have you found the information to mesh pretty well, or does it clash with Velocity's approach.


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lovejopd wrote:
princeR wrote:
lovejopd wrote:
Feeling excited to finish my undergrad with A in U.S. history course! :D
Now I have +4.1 and should break at least 160 in June!!

Hope everyone gets high GPA for Spring semester and bumps up their cumulative GPAs so that it could reduce the anxiety of booming LSAT a little bit more~ :mrgreen:


With a 4.1 I would honestly kill myself if I didn't take the opportunity to hit a 170... you realize you could get into HYS?


I wish I could improve my LSAT as I never broke the 170 even untimed :(

Also, I have a timing issue on LR and Reading as I am a slow reader...that makes me really depressed and sad these days~

I am not sure how I can improve on speed on LR and Reading~~

Anyway, I will attend commendment this Sunday! Yay! :mrgreen:


Damn seriously you're sitting on a gold mine. But yeah I guess I also wouldn't get too down about PTing poorly for the same reason. 4 years of undergrad diligence has put you in a good position while many of us have to scramble around freaking out about the damn LSAT, only to be exactly where you already are.


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finally broke into the 170ers cohort last night with PT46

RC: -5
LR1: -1
LR2: -2
LG: -1

Raw: 90, scaled 170. RC could have been better, but I'm happy with my score trend.

Will take PT 54 at Saturday noon. GLTA!


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Can I get some advice from the people taking June ITT?

Here is my post and I'd love to hear your opinion on the matter.

Thank you in advance!

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