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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)
Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though
1st take: 172
Average for retake 177
2nd take: 177
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)
Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though
1st take: 172
Average for retake 177
2nd take: 177
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
1) What was your score on your initial diagnostic?
149
2) What were you getting on preptests?
Average 162-not including the very first diagnostic
3) What did you score on the June (or any previous LSAT)?
165 (higher end of my pt range)
149
2) What were you getting on preptests?
Average 162-not including the very first diagnostic
3) What did you score on the June (or any previous LSAT)?
165 (higher end of my pt range)
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)
Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though
1st take: 172
Average for retake 177
2nd take: 177
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Initial Diag: 178
Oct LSAT: 170
Oct LSAT: 170
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diagnostic: 159
PT: Mid-High 170s
October LSAT: 172
Slightly disappointed but it got me into my top choice school with a below 25% GPA so I can't complain.
PT: Mid-High 170s
October LSAT: 172
Slightly disappointed but it got me into my top choice school with a below 25% GPA so I can't complain.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Mind if I ask roughly what top school(s) you got into?t-ender wrote:Diagnostic: 159
PT: Mid-High 170s
October LSAT: 172
Slightly disappointed but it got me into my top choice school with a below 25% GPA so I can't complain.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
2011Law wrote:Mind if I ask roughly what top school(s) you got into?t-ender wrote:Diagnostic: 159
PT: Mid-High 170s
October LSAT: 172
Slightly disappointed but it got me into my top choice school with a below 25% GPA so I can't complain.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diagnostic: 155
Practice Tests: 164 (high 166)
October LSAT: 170
Practice Tests: 164 (high 166)
October LSAT: 170
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
I studied for about three to four months about 40-50 hours a week (that's not really including breaks, and I may possibly be understating the extend of hours I actually put in.chicagodude wrote:skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)
Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though
1st take: 172
Average for retake 177
2nd take: 177
It wasn't really easy, I can say that. I think I spent about 40-50 hour weeks doing games (probably did each game about 3 times each, was pretty strict about how I was approaching redoes, i.e. not giving myself inferences and forcing myself to to find viable reasons for eliminating answer choices and stuff), then I spent pretty much the rest of the time doing LR training, and intermittently RC (which I hate doing even to this day). I did probably 30ish untimed tests, which I timed anyway (just to get a guage of how long it took, and to see if, even though I may not have increased in accuracy, I had made some sort of gain in time. Then when I realized I was going to run out of tests, I started cracking down on tests that I had taken and started dissecting the crap out of them, writing out premises and conclusions and trying to understand how to prephrase the basic idea or ideas that would make the argument work (i.e. sufficient assumptions, or as I like to call them, suppressed premises). That last part was the hardest but when I had it down, it got me to the point where I missed literally 0 flaws, 0 strengthens, 0 weakens, 0 sufficient assumptions (dur), and 0 necessary assumptions. I took my remaining 30 and starting semi-timing and transitioning into full-blown 35 minute sections. I think I was comfortably in the 32 minute range-ish for most sections for all of them (except rc where I'd blow over every once in a while) for my last 10-ish tests (except maybe one of em I think). It was a LOT of work. But it payed off, so I consider it as a worthwhile investment of my time.
Personally, I think most people could put in the time that I did and most could make the gains that I did, but also that most people just really don't care enough to really put in the time and energy I put in to, quite literally, just 'kill' the test. I think this 'I'm gonna f'ing kill this test' mentality goes a long way in motivating a person to study as much and learn as much as they can to do to frickin nail the test.
'a pupil who is never pushed to do more than he can, will never do all that he can'
- mill
think like a 180, train like a 180, and study like a 180, and who knows what you could do.. probably a 180.
*oh and for my second take, I redid about 10-ish tests (time was... once again an issue, but I understood the concepts pretty well still) and 2 new tests (which I hit 176 and 178 respectively) and hit 177 on the real deal. Much less prep, much more relaxed, and just not really giving a f'ing shit about my results helped me out tremendously in preforming much better than I anticipated.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diag 168
PT 174 avg
LSAT 178 (game day adrenalin)
PT 174 avg
LSAT 178 (game day adrenalin)
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
inspiring thread!
Diag: 154
June LSAT: 159
Oct LSAT: 165
I'm seriously thinking of taking it again in February, hoping to score in the low 170s with insane amounts of re-re-training.
Diag: 154
June LSAT: 159
Oct LSAT: 165
I'm seriously thinking of taking it again in February, hoping to score in the low 170s with insane amounts of re-re-training.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Initial Diagnostic: 165
PT Average: 170
--I did my PTs in order, although I did NOT do every single one. Something clicked around PT35 and I stayed relatively consistently above 170 after that.
PT45-55 Average: 175.6 (172-179)
PT 56-60 Average: 170...
...kind of a disappointing drop leading up to the test.
Oct 2010: 170
45-55 really got my hopes up. Boo hoo. Whatever though I'm not retaking. LSAT studying is too damn stressful to want to repeat. I feel for you guys.
PT Average: 170
--I did my PTs in order, although I did NOT do every single one. Something clicked around PT35 and I stayed relatively consistently above 170 after that.
PT45-55 Average: 175.6 (172-179)
PT 56-60 Average: 170...
...kind of a disappointing drop leading up to the test.
Oct 2010: 170
45-55 really got my hopes up. Boo hoo. Whatever though I'm not retaking. LSAT studying is too damn stressful to want to repeat. I feel for you guys.
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Damn all you high diag ppl! Now my score makes more sense.
Diag: 140
PT avg: 162
Actual: 157
I am pretty sure I could have scored a 160 but nerves got me every time. Guess I should be happy with my 17 pt improvement. This test is definitely the hardest fuckin test I have ever taken. Destroyed the SAT's without taking prep course but sucked at the LSAT. Once I go to law school, I will figure out if LSAT is in fact a good predictor of law school success.
Diag: 140
PT avg: 162
Actual: 157
I am pretty sure I could have scored a 160 but nerves got me every time. Guess I should be happy with my 17 pt improvement. This test is definitely the hardest fuckin test I have ever taken. Destroyed the SAT's without taking prep course but sucked at the LSAT. Once I go to law school, I will figure out if LSAT is in fact a good predictor of law school success.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diag: 180
PT avg: 178.7, median 179
Feb. Test: 178
PT avg: 178.7, median 179
Feb. Test: 178
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
That is freaking insane. You must be a genius. I honestly think the LSAT would correlate pretty well with an IQ test.Lasker wrote:Diag: 180
PT avg: 178.7, median 179
Feb. Test: 178
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Anaconda wrote:1) What was your score on your initial diagnostic? 166
2) What were you getting on preptests? 173-175
3) What did you score on the June (or any previous LSAT)? 167
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Thank you for taking the time to post this. It will help me tremendously in how I plan on studying for the LSAT.skip james wrote:I studied for about three to four months about 40-50 hours a week (that's not really including breaks, and I may possibly be understating the extend of hours I actually put in.chicagodude wrote:skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)
Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though
1st take: 172
Average for retake 177
2nd take: 177
It wasn't really easy, I can say that. I think I spent about 40-50 hour weeks doing games (probably did each game about 3 times each, was pretty strict about how I was approaching redoes, i.e. not giving myself inferences and forcing myself to to find viable reasons for eliminating answer choices and stuff), then I spent pretty much the rest of the time doing LR training, and intermittently RC (which I hate doing even to this day). I did probably 30ish untimed tests, which I timed anyway (just to get a guage of how long it took, and to see if, even though I may not have increased in accuracy, I had made some sort of gain in time. Then when I realized I was going to run out of tests, I started cracking down on tests that I had taken and started dissecting the crap out of them, writing out premises and conclusions and trying to understand how to prephrase the basic idea or ideas that would make the argument work (i.e. sufficient assumptions, or as I like to call them, suppressed premises). That last part was the hardest but when I had it down, it got me to the point where I missed literally 0 flaws, 0 strengthens, 0 weakens, 0 sufficient assumptions (dur), and 0 necessary assumptions. I took my remaining 30 and starting semi-timing and transitioning into full-blown 35 minute sections. I think I was comfortably in the 32 minute range-ish for most sections for all of them (except rc where I'd blow over every once in a while) for my last 10-ish tests (except maybe one of em I think). It was a LOT of work. But it payed off, so I consider it as a worthwhile investment of my time.
Personally, I think most people could put in the time that I did and most could make the gains that I did, but also that most people just really don't care enough to really put in the time and energy I put in to, quite literally, just 'kill' the test. I think this 'I'm gonna f'ing kill this test' mentality goes a long way in motivating a person to study as much and learn as much as they can to do to frickin nail the test.
'a pupil who is never pushed to do more than he can, will never do all that he can'
- mill
think like a 180, train like a 180, and study like a 180, and who knows what you could do.. probably a 180.
*oh and for my second take, I redid about 10-ish tests (time was... once again an issue, but I understood the concepts pretty well still) and 2 new tests (which I hit 176 and 178 respectively) and hit 177 on the real deal. Much less prep, much more relaxed, and just not really giving a f'ing shit about my results helped me out tremendously in preforming much better than I anticipated.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
1) 161
2) Averaged 178 on last 15 PTs
3) 171 last October (emergency bathroom break during scored section)
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 6&t=160273
2) Averaged 178 on last 15 PTs
3) 171 last October (emergency bathroom break during scored section)
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 6&t=160273
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Excellent post and highly appreciated. You seem to have the attitude of a wrestler or a combat athlete (I know many and firmly believe it is the best mindset for getting things done).skip james wrote:think like a 180, train like a 180, and study like a 180, and who knows what you could do.. probably a 180.chicagodude wrote:skipjames, that's amazing. what did you do to experience that kind of jump? how many PTs did you take and over how long a period of time did you take them?Diag: 151
(untimed, something like 1.5 hour sections)
Average: (last 10 tests out of the entire 60, 172.1) time was an issue though
1st take: 172
Average for retake 177
2nd take: 177
*oh and for my second take, I redid about 10-ish tests (time was... once again an issue, but I understood the concepts pretty well still) and 2 new tests (which I hit 176 and 178 respectively) and hit 177 on the real deal. Much less prep, much more relaxed, and just not really giving a f'ing shit about my results helped me out tremendously in preforming much better than I anticipated.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diagnostic: 169
PT 175
Real Score 171
Prep Powerscore bibles and 10 practice tests
PT 175
Real Score 171
Prep Powerscore bibles and 10 practice tests
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Hey bro, I saw your post and I must say your improvement from your diagnostic to your official score is an inspiration me. Im a also a URM male and Im currently testing in the low 150s-155. How did you improve? Can you give me any tips, suggestions and advice to make noticeably gains in my score.thegrayman wrote:diag: 147
PT's: 167-175
October: 168
Lower end of where I was at but I'll take it, I came a long way from my cold diag
Thanks
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
This thread really motivated me in my studies so I felt compelled to share.
1. My initial diagnostic was a pathetic 138
2. After a few months of intense daily studying my prep tests were in the 157-161 range
3. I got a 160 on the actual LSAT
You can do anything you set your mind to. Just remember, a vision without action is merely a dream. Best of luck.
1. My initial diagnostic was a pathetic 138
2. After a few months of intense daily studying my prep tests were in the 157-161 range
3. I got a 160 on the actual LSAT
You can do anything you set your mind to. Just remember, a vision without action is merely a dream. Best of luck.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diagnostic (Untimed): 164, the next day 168
PT average before June: 169
June Score: 163
PT average before September: 173
September Score: 160
Ashamed. Taking again in December.
PT average before June: 169
June Score: 163
PT average before September: 173
September Score: 160
Ashamed. Taking again in December.
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Re: Your LSAT Score vs. Your Initial Diagnostic
Diagnostic: 161
PTs: 171
Actual (Sep 14): 172
PTs: 171
Actual (Sep 14): 172
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