Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:26 pm

From the sounds of it, what you did was kind of dumb, but not necessarily wrong. Did you calculate it properly via the OLSAS conversion? If so, then your response is simply that the GPA you reported was neither deceptive nor inaccurate. It was the correct GPA given in the OLSAS form (which is the school's preferred method), and you included your transcript for clarification if they had any issues with your conversion.

C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby patches1995 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:08 am

smilingorch wrote:From the sounds of it, what you did was kind of dumb, but not necessarily wrong. Did you calculate it properly via the OLSAS conversion? If so, then your response is simply that the GPA you reported was neither deceptive nor inaccurate. It was the correct GPA given in the OLSAS form (which is the school's preferred method), and you included your transcript for clarification if they had any issues with your conversion.

C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.


I calculated it properly based on the scale provided by OLSAS. My argument is pretty much going to be that this is just a major misunderstanding on my part (the evidence being that I also attached my school transcript to the email I sent). At the same time I thought that it might be a good idea to mention how this was the first time I had to convert my grades and so it was just a honest mistake and I was not trying to trick or mislead anyone.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby TAD » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:31 am

patches1995 wrote:Hello,

My first post here. A few weeks ago I received a notice of misconduct from LSAC regarding some information that I emailed to a law school which they found to be inaccurate. Specifically, I emailed a law school and asked if I could apply for late registration due to some family issues. In that email, I wrote my LSAT score and GPA (I converted it using the OLSAS scoring scale). In the misconduct notice it pretty much states that the GPA I stated in the email is not consistent with my transcript(which I also provided in the same email) and has given me 20 days to respond. I honestly thought I was supposed to convert the GPA to the format that the law school in question looks at and did not intend to mislead anyone. Can anyone please advise me with what I can do next.


Yo Patches, are you Canadian? Cause isn't OLSAS what Ontario schools use to calculate your GPA by omitting certain credits? And is the school you sent the email to an American school? If this is the case can't you explain that you didn't know your American calculated GPA would be different than your Ontario calculated GPA?

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:44 am

patches1995 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:From the sounds of it, what you did was kind of dumb, but not necessarily wrong. Did you calculate it properly via the OLSAS conversion? If so, then your response is simply that the GPA you reported was neither deceptive nor inaccurate. It was the correct GPA given in the OLSAS form (which is the school's preferred method), and you included your transcript for clarification if they had any issues with your conversion.

C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.


I calculated it properly based on the scale provided by OLSAS. My argument is pretty much going to be that this is just a major misunderstanding on my part (the evidence being that I also attached my school transcript to the email I sent). At the same time I thought that it might be a good idea to mention how this was the first time I had to convert my grades and so it was just a honest mistake and I was not trying to trick or mislead anyone.


Don't put the part about "not trying to trick or mislead". LSAC is pretty explicit about intent not mattering. You can read more about that on their website. The thing you need to do is admit no fault or wrong. What you did was right. You converted your GPA (properly) to OLSAS to match the school's preferred method of GPA AND you attached your transcript so they would know how you calculated that GPA. The transcript also served as a way for them to compare your GPA by typical American standards (or your alma mater's standards). Seriously, that's it. The more in depth you get with "I didn't mean to mislead; I misunderstood" etc., the worse it looks. This is not a misunderstanding on your part. It's a misunderstanding on THEIR part. You went above and beyond to make things easy for them to understand (took out the grunt work).

A better statement would be,

"Hello LSAC Committee,

Thank you for reaching out to me. While I understand your concerns about the way in which I represented my GPA to XYZ school and recognize the severity of the situation, at no point did I misrepresent my GPA.

According to my alma mater, I earned a 3.66, which can be clearly seen in the transcript that I readily supplied to said law school. In the accompanying email, I stated that my GPA was a 3.79, which is how my GPA is calculated by OLSAS standards (XYZ Law School's preferred method of GPA calculation).

To make things easy for the law school, I supplied both GPAs, along with my transcript to clearly show how my OLSAS GPA was calculated in case said school had any questions about my academic performance.

Throughout my e-mail communications with the university, I have remained entirely transparent about my academic record. I by no means, intentionally or otherwise, misrepresented my academic record and have made this clear to XYZ Law School, as well.

If you have any additional questions or concerns about this situation, I would appreciate you contacting me at XXX. I am more than willing to discuss this situation in further detail, as I understand the magnitude with which any misunderstanding in this area can affect my future endeavors.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
XX"

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby patches1995 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:06 am

smilingorch wrote:
patches1995 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:From the sounds of it, what you did was kind of dumb, but not necessarily wrong. Did you calculate it properly via the OLSAS conversion? If so, then your response is simply that the GPA you reported was neither deceptive nor inaccurate. It was the correct GPA given in the OLSAS form (which is the school's preferred method), and you included your transcript for clarification if they had any issues with your conversion.

C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.


I calculated it properly based on the scale provided by OLSAS. My argument is pretty much going to be that this is just a major misunderstanding on my part (the evidence being that I also attached my school transcript to the email I sent). At the same time I thought that it might be a good idea to mention how this was the first time I had to convert my grades and so it was just a honest mistake and I was not trying to trick or mislead anyone.


Don't put the part about "not trying to trick or mislead". LSAC is pretty explicit about intent not mattering. You can read more about that on their website. The thing you need to do is admit no fault or wrong. What you did was right. You converted your GPA (properly) to OLSAS to match the school's preferred method of GPA AND you attached your transcript so they would know how you calculated that GPA. The transcript also served as a way for them to compare your GPA by typical American standards (or your alma mater's standards). Seriously, that's it. The more in depth you get with "I didn't mean to mislead; I misunderstood" etc., the worse it looks. This is not a misunderstanding on your part. It's a misunderstanding on THEIR part. You went above and beyond to make things easy for them to understand (took out the grunt work).

A better statement would be,

"Hello LSAC Committee,

Thank you for reaching out to me. While I understand your concerns about the way in which I represented my GPA to XYZ school and recognize the severity of the situation, at no point did I misrepresent my GPA.

According to my alma mater, I earned a 3.66, which can be clearly seen in the transcript that I readily supplied to said law school. In the accompanying email, I stated that my GPA was a 3.79, which is how my GPA is calculated by OLSAS standards (XYZ Law School's preferred method of GPA calculation).

To make things easy for the law school, I supplied both GPAs, along with my transcript to clearly show how my OLSAS GPA was calculated in case said school had any questions about my academic performance.

Throughout my e-mail communications with the university, I have remained entirely transparent about my academic record. I by no means, intentionally or otherwise, misrepresented my academic record and have made this clear to XYZ Law School, as well.

If you have any additional questions or concerns about this situation, I would appreciate you contacting me at XXX. I am more than willing to discuss this situation in further detail, as I understand the magnitude with which any misunderstanding in this area can affect my future endeavors.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
XX"


Thank you very much for the advice, I really appreciate it in my time of need.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby rpupkin » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:28 am

smilingorch wrote:C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.

This is horrible advice. You may have "negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation," but you lack common sense when it comes to the risks involved when an aspiring lawyer faces a formal allegation of misrepresenting an academic record. You also don't seem to understand how attorneys offer services. What does "attorneys don't even work on that time schedule" mean? You don't know what you're talking about.

OP: it's certainly possible that things will work out just fine for you if you draft the letter yourself. Given the facts you've described, I think there's a good chance that even a poorly-written letter will result in LSAC finding that you did not commit misconduct. But the risks here are substantial. If LSAC doesn't see things your way, it could create significant problems when you apply to other law schools. And further down the road, it could create problems for your C&F application. That's why it's worth paying a C&F attorney to review your letter.

Good luck.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:37 am

rpupkin wrote:
smilingorch wrote:C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.

This is horrible advice. You may have "negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation," but you lack common sense when it comes to the risks involved when an aspiring lawyer faces a formal allegation of misrepresenting an academic record. You also don't seem to understand how attorneys offer services. What does "attorneys don't even work on that time schedule" mean? You don't know what you're talking about.

OP: it's certainly possible that things will work out just fine for you if you draft the letter yourself. Given the facts you've described, I think there's a good chance that even a poorly-written letter will result in LSAC finding that you did not commit misconduct. But the risks here are substantial. If LSAC doesn't see things your way, it could create significant problems when you apply to other law schools. And further down the road, it could create problems for your C&F application. That's why it's worth paying a C&F attorney to review your letter.

Good luck.


Time schedule as in: OP said he had 20 days, and also said he received the email weeks ago. You do the math here. Clearly he needs to respond in the next few days if not today.

Sorry, don't try me. I've worked directly with lawyers *clearly* far longer and more intimately than you. Not everything needs to be reviewed by a lawyer.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:45 am

I mean, rpupkin *is* a lawyer.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby Npret » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:55 am

smilingorch wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
smilingorch wrote:C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.

This is horrible advice. You may have "negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation," but you lack common sense when it comes to the risks involved when an aspiring lawyer faces a formal allegation of misrepresenting an academic record. You also don't seem to understand how attorneys offer services. What does "attorneys don't even work on that time schedule" mean? You don't know what you're talking about.

OP: it's certainly possible that things will work out just fine for you if you draft the letter yourself. Given the facts you've described, I think there's a good chance that even a poorly-written letter will result in LSAC finding that you did not commit misconduct. But the risks here are substantial. If LSAC doesn't see things your way, it could create significant problems when you apply to other law schools. And further down the road, it could create problems for your C&F application. That's why it's worth paying a C&F attorney to review your letter.

Good luck.


Time schedule as in: OP said he had 20 days, and also said he received the email weeks ago. You do the math here. Clearly he needs to respond in the next few days if not today.

Sorry, don't try me. I've worked directly with lawyers *clearly* far longer and more intimately than you. Not everything needs to be reviewed by a lawyer.

You're giving legal advice here and you haven't started law school?
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OP are you sure you've told us everything? What was in your communication with the law school when they replied that they thought you were trying to deceive them?

Just to clarify: Is the law school's view that you requested to apply late based on a close to 3.8 GPA when your actual GPA is significantly lower?

Has your GPA been calculated by LSAC? What GPA do they give you- is it the 3.66 or lower?

Why did you decide to convert it for them (ie do they say anywhere that they ask applicants to convert the GPA?) and did your email explain that your transcript shows 3.66 but you calculated 3.78?

Or did you just say my GPA is 3.78 and send a transcript showing that it clearly is not 3.78? Did you at all explain the discrepancy?

It sounds to me that you flat out stated the calculated GPA instead of the transcript GPA. I can see why the school think this is deceptive and I think you may a have difficult time proving it wasn't deceptive.

Let me know if I'm wrong. I'm confused as to what else you said to the school. My thought is if your email clearly said "my GPA is 3.66 but my calculation shows a GPA of 3.78" you wouldn't be having this issue.

LSAC are difficult people to work with. I think you need professional, expert advice. In New York you can get consultations through the bar association for not much. Not sure about where you live but I would investigate the possibility further before you just give up on getting expert advice.

Does your school have anyone who can help you or might you get in trouble with them as well?

Like I said, without knowing more, from what you little you explained, I understand why the law school thinks you misrepresented your grades trying to get a chance to apply late. It was smart that you attached your transcript and that is in your favor, but it may not be enough.

OP: if you need more time to respond, email asking for an extension.
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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby cavalier1138 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:24 am

Npret wrote:
smilingorch wrote:Sorry, don't try me. I've worked directly with lawyers *clearly* far longer and more intimately than you. Not everything needs to be reviewed by a lawyer.

You're giving legal advice here and you haven't started law school?


Awesome.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby lymenheimer » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:36 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:I mean, rpupkin *is* a lawyer.

Can't you ban/time out him for attempting to give legal advice or something?

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby URMSenator52 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:42 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
Npret wrote:
smilingorch wrote:Sorry, don't try me. I've worked directly with lawyers *clearly* far longer and more intimately than you. Not everything needs to be reviewed by a lawyer.

You're giving legal advice here and you haven't started law school?


Awesome.


Lol at an assumed paralegal response.. Someone watches too much Suits Mike..

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:51 am

Npret wrote:
smilingorch wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
smilingorch wrote:C'mon guys - this guy only has a few days left to respond and can't afford an attorney. The best you all can come up with is get the money somehow (from God knows where)? Attorneys don't even work on that time schedule either.

This is coming from someone who negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation. The advice you're getting from these guys is ridiculous. Trust me, it seems huge now (and it is), but it doesn't require an attorney to draft your response.

This is horrible advice. You may have "negotiated multi-million dollar deals for a major international corporation," but you lack common sense when it comes to the risks involved when an aspiring lawyer faces a formal allegation of misrepresenting an academic record. You also don't seem to understand how attorneys offer services. What does "attorneys don't even work on that time schedule" mean? You don't know what you're talking about.

OP: it's certainly possible that things will work out just fine for you if you draft the letter yourself. Given the facts you've described, I think there's a good chance that even a poorly-written letter will result in LSAC finding that you did not commit misconduct. But the risks here are substantial. If LSAC doesn't see things your way, it could create significant problems when you apply to other law schools. And further down the road, it could create problems for your C&F application. That's why it's worth paying a C&F attorney to review your letter.

Good luck.


Time schedule as in: OP said he had 20 days, and also said he received the email weeks ago. You do the math here. Clearly he needs to respond in the next few days if not today.

Sorry, don't try me. I've worked directly with lawyers *clearly* far longer and more intimately than you. Not everything needs to be reviewed by a lawyer.

You're giving legal advice here and you haven't started law school?
----
OP are you sure you've told us everything? What was in your communication with the law school when they replied that they thought you were trying to deceive them?

Just to clarify: Is the law school's view that you requested to apply late based on a close to 3.8 GPA when your actual GPA is significantly lower?

Has your GPA been calculated by LSAC? What GPA do they give you- is it the 3.66 or lower?

Why did you decide to convert it for them (ie do they say anywhere that they ask applicants to convert the GPA?) and did your email explain that your transcript shows 3.66 but you calculated 3.78?

Or did you just say my GPA is 3.78 and send a transcript showing that it clearly is not 3.78? Did you at all explain the discrepancy?

It sounds to me that you flat out stated the calculated GPA instead of the transcript GPA. I can see why the school think this is deceptive and I think you may a have difficult time proving it wasn't deceptive.

Let me know if I'm wrong. I'm confused as to what else you said to the school. My thought is if your email clearly said "my GPA is 3.66 but my calculation shows a GPA of 3.78" you wouldn't be having this issue.

LSAC are difficult people to work with. I think you need professional, expert advice. In New York you can get consultations through the bar association for not much. Not sure about where you live but I would investigate the possibility further before you just give up on getting expert advice.

Does your school have anyone who can help you or might you get in trouble with them as well?

Like I said, without knowing more, from what you little you explained, I understand why the law school thinks you misrepresented your grades trying to get a chance to apply late. It was smart that you attached your transcript and that is in your favor, but it may not be enough.

OP: if you need more time to respond, email asking for an extension.


Advice, not legal advice. As I just said, not everything needs a lawyer.

But, I agree with everything you said. It does sound deceptive, and getting expert advice would, of course, be OP's best action. If free or cheap, then that's perfect, but to all of the people saying OP should "find a way to get the money or else" (paraphrasing here) - they're just showing their privilege. Just because borrowing money/ getting a personal loan/ pulling from savings may be an option for one person, doesn't mean it's an option for everyone. If you're going to law school, I'd hope you have a little money saved but I understand that's not always the case.

Also, rpupkin, since I found out you're a lawyer, then I retract my statement about you. I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work. Not saying they move glacially, but OP makes it seem like this response is due today. If you work that fast in the office, I'd love to work with you. Not even being facetious.

Y'all are acting like lawyers walk on water and create freaking miracles. Sure, one can help you draft a statement. In the end, it probably won't even be drastically different than the one I drafted. They can try to help you navigate the situation, not change the situation.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:55 am

URMSenator52 wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
Npret wrote:
smilingorch wrote:Sorry, don't try me. I've worked directly with lawyers *clearly* far longer and more intimately than you. Not everything needs to be reviewed by a lawyer.

You're giving legal advice here and you haven't started law school?


Awesome.


Lol at an assumed paralegal response.. Someone watches too much Suits Mike..


Not a paralegal. Haven't watched Suits, but I understand your reference. I thought I already made it clear that I did global marketing. Not sure what paralegals negotiate deals :lol:

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby cavalier1138 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:35 am

smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby Npret » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:41 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.


People who work in the issues OP is talking about are used to doing things quickly or even immediately. They can send out a request for an extension in virtually no time.

I have also turned around documents on international mega deals in less than a day so I'm not sure where you get the idea it isn't possible. That's what biglaw exists and why associates leave.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:57 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.


You're right. I assumed they'd take more than a day to help OP, but they may not. Not that it matters since OP already said he/she can't afford one. Unless it's free or super cheap, not sure why we're even debating how quickly they work.

I also think it's a bit funny that you are an attorney, but are just giving clipped, snarky responses and seem to be unnaturally offended by someone who's not even talking to you.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby cavalier1138 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:59 am

smilingorch wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.


You're right. I assumed they'd take more than a day to help OP, but they may not. Not that it matters since OP already said he/she can't afford one. Unless it's free or super cheap, not sure why we're even debating how quickly they work.

I also think it's a bit funny that you are an attorney, but are just giving clipped, snarky responses and seem to be unnaturally offended by someone who's not even talking to you.


First of all, I'm not an attorney (yet). Make sure you read who you're responding to.

And I think it's a bit funny you want me to have a personal stake in wanting to stop someone from spouting bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, so just stop.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby Npret » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:04 am

smilingorch wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.


You're right. I assumed they'd take more than a day to help OP, but they may not. Not that it matters since OP already said he/she can't afford one. Unless it's free or super cheap, not sure why we're even debating how quickly they work.

I also think it's a bit funny that you are an attorney, but are just giving clipped, snarky responses and seem to be unnaturally offended by someone who's not even talking to you.


You can get inexpensive consultations. OP hasn't even tried.

Personally, I think OP will continue to blunder on alone and will end up getting an attorney at some point. This allegation is serious and I think the school has a basis for reporting OP as deceptive. But I think 80% OP doesn't take advice and just wings it.

I hope I'm wrong and everything works out for OP.
Good luck dealing with LSAC, they arent friendly, easygoing people. I know I wouldn't take them on alone. Still I do wish OP well. Screwing up before you've even applied is tough to handle.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby UVA2B » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:06 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.


You're right. I assumed they'd take more than a day to help OP, but they may not. Not that it matters since OP already said he/she can't afford one. Unless it's free or super cheap, not sure why we're even debating how quickly they work.

I also think it's a bit funny that you are an attorney, but are just giving clipped, snarky responses and seem to be unnaturally offended by someone who's not even talking to you.


First of all, I'm not an attorney (yet). Make sure you read who you're responding to.

And I think it's a bit funny you want me to have a personal stake in wanting to stop someone from spouting bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, so just stop.


Law students know nothing about legal practice (myself absolutely included), god help the 0L who thinks they know what they're talking about. The OP can seek out free legal advice, but to get someone who actually deals with these sorts of issues regularly, they might have to fork over a few bucks. It's not about privilege when giving this advice: it's because those dollars are so important to the OP's future legal career. Screwing up a misconduct claim by LSAC could literally derail the OP's entire career. Depending on the circumstances (alluding to earlier requests for amplifying information), it would absolutely be money well spent. I don't think it's completely necessary based on the current information provided, but if there is more to it than we currently know, a legal advisor becomes absolutely necessary.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby lymenheimer » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:11 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.

Brb. Emailing CLS to let them know they admitted a lemon.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:17 am

Npret wrote:
smilingorch wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.


You're right. I assumed they'd take more than a day to help OP, but they may not. Not that it matters since OP already said he/she can't afford one. Unless it's free or super cheap, not sure why we're even debating how quickly they work.

I also think it's a bit funny that you are an attorney, but are just giving clipped, snarky responses and seem to be unnaturally offended by someone who's not even talking to you.


You can get inexpensive consultations. OP hasn't even tried.

Personally, I think OP will continue to blunder on alone and will end up getting an attorney at some point. This allegation is serious and I think the school has a basis for reporting OP as deceptive. But I think 80% OP doesn't take advice and just wings it.

I hope I'm wrong and everything works out for OP.
Good luck dealing with LSAC, they arent friendly, easygoing people. I know I wouldn't take them on alone. Still I do wish OP well. Screwing up before you've even applied is tough to handle.


Couldn't agree more. LSAC is so strict; I'm seriously hoping things work out for OP. And I hope there's a place for him/her to get an inexpensive consultation, because I know that if this had happened to me years ago in my small hometown in Texas, I wouldn't have had a chance.

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:35 am

Is it against the rules to ask OP to out the (allegedly) scummy school that reported him based on email miscommunication prior to him even submitting an application?

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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby Npret » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:38 am

It would be better for OP to get advice before LSAC makes a decision. I'm not sure how appealing a decision would work (if LSAC ultimately decides gainst OP.)

Edit: FYI there is an appeals process but I'm not reading the fine print here.
http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source ... rities.pdf
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Re: Appealing a LSAC Misconduct notice

Postby smilingorch » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:39 am

lymenheimer wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:
smilingorch wrote:I'm still shocked that you seem to be confused as to what I'm talking about when it comes to how long it takes for attorneys to work.


I'm shocked that a 0L who works with attorneys in a very limited context thinks that they know the first fucking thing about any legal practice in this field.

Brb. Emailing CLS to let them know they admitted a lemon.


:lol: ya got me http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/filthy-frank/images/3/35/Lemon.png/revision/latest?cb=20140127070041




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