Fuck me. I only have lawyers that believe me in one state and have only been quizzed by 1Ls. Is that good enough for top 25%?

I take pride in a shitty LSAT score. It means things aren't just given to me, that I'm going to have to actually work my way to the top, unlike these spoiled brats retake.

Edited on behalf of reason.

Edited on behalf of reason.

If you aren't at least 90% convinced that you are going to pretty much kick butt at law school or a legal career, what is the point?

OP I took a law class at my TTT on a pass fail basis. There is really no way to know if you are prepared for law school until after your first exam. I somehow managed a top 5 score on the test. I didn't deserve it because I slacked off on the readings and attending class. It has given me some confidence in that I know how to handle an issue spotter style exam and use statutes to effectively argue both sides of a point but the most important thing I learned is not really the law itself but how to present your argument in a way that appeases your professor and the only way you can learn that is by going to class. This experience has made me somewhat confident in how I will perform next year but it also served as a huge wake-up call on how to be successful I need to be more diligent in keeping up with the reading and going to class and forming a study group. Trust me the worst feeling I have ever felt in terms of school was reading that first issue prompt on the test and having to sit there wasting 10-15 minutes trying to find a single issue to argue. This site has humbled my original expectations of being an easy top 10% student to now I have a gameplan for my 1st year of giving it my best shot and if it goes bad ill drop out and fallback on getting a decent job with nepotism and my UG credentials and paying back my 10-15k in debt.

So you're in UG and you took a law class at a TTT - were there actually law students in it? Was it curved?

If it wasn't curved or it was but just full of UG kids, I wouldn't read into the score so much, but if def. seems like a good prep into issue spotters.

OP, don't let all these tools get to you. The reason they are all mocking your confidence is because they are insecure. The truth is, they think they've worked so hard to "get where they are." They think because they did well on the LSAT and got a decent GPA, they must be really smart, but then they get to law school and realize how tough it is. And then when they graduate and a job isn't handed to them, it must be because the legal market is in shambles.

OP, don't let all these tools get to you. The reason they are all mocking your confidence is because they are insecure. The truth is, they think they've worked so hard to "get where they are." They think because they did well on the LSAT and got a decent GPA, they must be really smart, but then they get to law school and realize how tough it is. And then when they graduate and a job isn't handed to them, it must be because the legal market is in shambles.

55 entering 1L students, 5 UG students we just had to place in the top 75% of the section on the final to get a pass. Turns out if you ended up with a B average or better, after they applied the curve, then if you enroll you received an exemption from repeating the class next year and can just take a 2L class instead. Pretty much a real test run at a law school class our exams were even blind graded with the rest of the section.

Its only open to seniors of the Honors College, and then you have to go through a whole application process. I might have attended if I had been approved to do the Constitutional Law class they offered this semester so that I could get 2 of my 1L classes out of the way, but I didn't get selected so I am deciding between two other schools in state. It was kind of hard turning down that advantage I would have had next year because I even got a professor to explain the different curving requirements for 1L classes and 2L/3L classes at the school (1L curve is on a 2.8 median, others 3.1 median.) I don't think I will have a noticeable advantage over my fellow 1Ls because it will probably just be like I did some amount of prep in Contracts because I doubt I regain any of the real in depth stuff from the class by the Fall besides the basics, unless of course I completely luck out and get a similar style professor who uses the same casebook.

That's some real TTT stip control right there.

OP wrote: " It just seems like everyone on here is trying to hedge their bets and already terrified of failure before even stepping foot in their first [law school] class."

This is called dealing with reality. Besides, fear is a great motivator.

OP: Law school costs of attendance have skyrocted despite a dwindling market for lawyers. Many need biglaw to pay off big debts. Biglaw is largely open only to those in the top law schools who perform exceptionally well during the first year among classes filled with competitive, brilliant & hard working students.

True. I would like to add that being a law student, much less a lawyer, is a lot like being an actor/actress. (1) The best ones aren't always the most successful (i.e. it's far from being a meritocracy); (2) Geography, timing, networks, and sheer luck can play a huge part in one's success; legacies, family networks, nepotism, racism, gender bias, and beauty bias can also factor into one's success. Added to the above considerations, law students are entering an endeavor in which, no matter how hard they work, their desired success can unfairly elude them - with life-altering consequences.

But I agree with OP's main point: either do the damn thing or don't. Boxers know they can be killed every time they step into the ring; yet they do it fearlessly.

BTW...it's "...believes in 'himself'?"

Its only open to seniors of the Honors College, and then you have to go through a whole application process. I might have attended if I had been approved to do the Constitutional Law class they offered this semester so that I could get 2 of my 1L classes out of the way, but I didn't get selected so I am deciding between two other schools in state. It was kind of hard turning down that advantage I would have had next year because I even got a professor to explain the different curving requirements for 1L classes and 2L/3L classes at the school (1L curve is on a 2.8 median, others 3.1 median.) I don't think I will have a noticeable advantage over my fellow 1Ls because it will probably just be like I did some amount of prep in Contracts because I doubt I regain any of the real in depth stuff from the class by the Fall besides the basics, unless of course I completely luck out and get a similar style professor who uses the same casebook.