Agreed. I plan on putting in lots of hours 1L year, hopefully as many as anybody, but I think my innate intelligence will be on the low side for my school.

Hey! get off my shit

im with u buddy, i believes in ourselves

snowflake, I lol'd

He's the special snowflake of special snowflake meme posters. Duh.

Oh the irony!

R. Kelly believed in himself; he believed he could fly. Alas, piss was all there was.

Everyone here believes in themselves... but there is a difference between confidence, and overconfidence. Make sure you stay on the correct side of that line, OP.

You beat me to it.

OP Everything you said in this post will have absolutely no bearing on how you'll perform in LS. Everyone that goes is used to succeeding and most, if not all, have confidence they'll be in the top of the class. We know what the reality of that is...

And to deflate your argument, I was convinced I'd end up around median, and most days of 1L I thought everyone in the room knew more than me. I ended up exceeding those expectations by a long shot.

OP I took a law class at my TTT on a pass fail basis. There is really no way to know if you are prepared for law school until after your first exam. I somehow managed a top 5 score on the test. I didn't deserve it because I slacked off on the readings and attending class. It has given me some confidence in that I know how to handle an issue spotter style exam and use statutes to effectively argue both sides of a point but the most important thing I learned is not really the law itself but how to present your argument in a way that appeases your professor and the only way you can learn that is by going to class. This experience has made me somewhat confident in how I will perform next year but it also served as a huge wake-up call on how to be successful I need to be more diligent in keeping up with the reading and going to class and forming a study group. Trust me the worst feeling I have ever felt in terms of school was reading that first issue prompt on the test and having to sit there wasting 10-15 minutes trying to find a single issue to argue. This site has humbled my original expectations of being an easy top 10% student to now I have a gameplan for my 1st year of giving it my best shot and if it goes bad ill drop out and fallback on getting a decent job with nepotism and my UG credentials and paying back my 10-15k in debt.

Your "personal confidence" is nothing that every other student doesn't have coming in. As you said, if they didn't have some hope of success, why would they even bother? Its not like you have any sliver of advantage over your classmates. And then it comes down to 100% of kids coming in with this feeling that they will succeed, and the vast majority being wrong. But no one said they didn't have all the confidence in the world coming in.

Having confidence in yourself to do well in law school, and actually doing well in law school are 2 entirely separate and unrelated things. Don't forget that.

It doesn't matter if I believe in myself. Believing in myself isn't something to base a decision on where to go to school on. I do believe in myself, but I also go to a school where I don't have to be in the top half of the class to get a good job.

I don't understand how you could possibly have read this site for 6 months and come up with that post. If you are this bad at reading comprehension, I think your confidence is misplaced. And I'm not joking. If you haven't learned how much of a gamble law school is and how difficult the job market is by now, I think you might have a mental deficit of some kind.

Your personal confidence is based on:
1) Talking to current law students and glancing their their tests. And then being "quizzed" on whether they think you have what it takes.
2) Having successful lawyers tell you that would would do well.
3) You are willing to work hard.

/facepalm

To address each "factor":
1) It is very common for 1L's to be exposed to practice tests and sample answers. Having done this before law school is not a big advantage at all. Anyone who has read getting to maybe or done LEEWS (which a decent amount of people in your class have done) already knows more about law school exams than you do.
2) This is absolutely meaningless. I really don't feel like expounding on this point and hopefully you can recognize a lot of the reasons why this factor really means nothing.
3) Most of your future classmates will be too.


While succeeding in law school usually does require intelligence, hard work, and specific skills. But these don't guarantee you good grades. Luck can play a significant factor at time. Your future is mostly set based on usually 6-8 tests. Screw up on one and you could be screwed in general. Get unlucky on one (professor is a lazy grader and/or test-writer) and you could be screwed. Get sick or just not have your best performance on one or a few of the tests and you could be screwed.

There is nothing wrong with striving to be in the top 10% (and believing that you are capable of doing that). But it's another thing completely not to factor in the thin margin of error you have when going to law school and allowing yourself some wiggle room by attending a school with strong placement or limiting debt so you don't need biglaw to pay off your loans.

Don't listen to these haters OP. If you work hard, have lawyers that believe in you (especially in more than 1 state), and have been quizzed by two 2Ls, you are definitely top 10% secure.

Then you should go to a TTT where other people have 1/2 your GPA and 20% lower LSAT.
Be in the top 5% - you'll be the one who gets a job!

You should have worried less about believing in yourself and more about learning a skill that is marketable and in demand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimism_bias

This really should be required reading for every law student.

OP, other people have what you think makes you special and more.

Tom I feel exactly the same way. But I'm having a hard time enjoying your post to the fullest due to the Marilyn Monroe quote in your profile.

Fantastic metaphor for 1L year.