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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by BrainToast » Thu May 17, 2018 8:53 pm

24 Hour Countdown has arrived.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by Get-it-done » Thu May 17, 2018 9:06 pm

Officially 24 hours to go! Best of luck to everyone.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by redmessengerbag » Thu May 17, 2018 10:32 pm

23hours...

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by maxmartin » Thu May 17, 2018 11:09 pm

redmessengerbag wrote:23hours...
It will go down to minutes and seconds. The final ten seconds countdown is unbearable. :twisted:

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by BrainToast » Fri May 18, 2018 12:11 am

maxmartin wrote:
redmessengerbag wrote:23hours...
It will go down to minutes and seconds. The final ten seconds countdown is unbearable. :twisted:
I almost threw up a few times checking law school grades online. Im chucking bricks tomorrow for sure.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by Nightcrawler » Fri May 18, 2018 2:35 am

Tomorrow could be one of the best day of our lives or just another shitty day as a student.

It’s on.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by brorepresentation1 » Fri May 18, 2018 6:01 am

NO SLEEP UGH

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by redmessengerbag » Fri May 18, 2018 11:07 am

so...where's our applicant number? I thought some mentioned that in an email we can find our applicant number, I have the file number...so I'm not scrambling and screaming in 10 hours haha

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by anon0515 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:34 am

redmessengerbag wrote:so...where's our applicant number? I thought some mentioned that in an email we can find our applicant number, I have the file number...so I'm not scrambling and screaming in 10 hours haha
same question! isn't there a way to look this up online? I'm traveling and don't have access to my printed out admission ticket.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by krispymenudo » Fri May 18, 2018 12:21 pm

redmessengerbag wrote:so...where's our applicant number? I thought some mentioned that in an email we can find our applicant number, I have the file number...so I'm not scrambling and screaming in 10 hours haha
You can find it in the Examsoft upload confirmation emails

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by anon0515 » Fri May 18, 2018 1:19 pm

krispymenudo wrote:
redmessengerbag wrote:so...where's our applicant number? I thought some mentioned that in an email we can find our applicant number, I have the file number...so I'm not scrambling and screaming in 10 hours haha
You can find it in the Examsoft upload confirmation emails
Thanks, it is the application number on the exam soft or initial registration email. If you call their office they also will give you the number over the phone.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by Legallybrunettes » Fri May 18, 2018 1:45 pm

I cannot believe California people are still waiting for results. I check these boards due to routine while I waited for my Illinois results for a month was the worst month of my life.

Good luck to you all today!! You will feel a major weight just lifted off your chest once results are revealed and your wait is finally over!!

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by What'sUP? » Fri May 18, 2018 2:23 pm

I am excited . . . and resigned at the same time.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by tulanelaw123 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:09 pm

The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by Bla Bla Bla Blah » Fri May 18, 2018 3:51 pm

What'sUP? wrote:I am excited . . . and resigned at the same time.
:lol: How true this is.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by What'sUP? » Fri May 18, 2018 4:31 pm

tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
What does this mean?

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by lawschool11111111 » Fri May 18, 2018 4:43 pm

tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
Where did you find this information? Can you provide the link?

I am very surprised, this is very high for February.

For comparison purposes, February 2017 scale was "Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 3.0730) – 488.1300."

Based on February 2017 scale...if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 655, and your written scaled score would have been 1509.32.

But based on the February 2018 scale above, if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 455, and your written scaled score would have been 1534.4.

I wonder what accounted for this

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by What'sUP? » Fri May 18, 2018 4:48 pm

tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
What does this mean?

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by TurkeyDay » Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 pm

lawschool11111111 wrote:
tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
Where did you find this information? Can you provide the link?

I am very surprised, this is very high for February.

For comparison purposes, February 2017 scale was "Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 3.0730) – 488.1300."

Based on February 2017 scale...if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 655, and your written scaled score would have been 1509.32.

But based on the February 2018 scale above, if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 455, and your written scaled score would have been 1534.4.

I wonder what accounted for this
I they they found it here: http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/0/docu ... tr0218.pdf

Also interesting is the way that California Bar identified the topics of the essays? I would never have called Q3 Real Property and considered it a Torts question. Thoughts?

Question 1: Professional Responsibility / Contracts
Question 2: Constitutional Law
Question 3: Real Property
Question 4: Criminal Law and Procedure
Question 5: Wills / Community Property
PT Task: Objective Memorandum - Contracts

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by TurkeyDay » Fri May 18, 2018 5:07 pm

lawschool11111111 wrote:
tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
Where did you find this information? Can you provide the link?

I am very surprised, this is very high for February.

For comparison purposes, February 2017 scale was "Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 3.0730) – 488.1300."

Based on February 2017 scale...if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 655, and your written scaled score would have been 1509.32.

But based on the February 2018 scale above, if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 455, and your written scaled score would have been 1534.4.

I wonder what accounted for this
Not sure my post went through, I think they found it here: http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/0/docu ... tr0218.pdf

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by maxmartin » Fri May 18, 2018 5:32 pm

lawschool11111111 wrote:
tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
Where did you find this information? Can you provide the link?

I am very surprised, this is very high for February.

For comparison purposes, February 2017 scale was "Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 3.0730) – 488.1300."

Based on February 2017 scale...if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 655, and your written scaled score would have been 1509.32.

But based on the February 2018 scale above, if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 455, and your written scaled score would have been 1534.4.

I wonder what accounted for this
Feb 2017 is still at 35% 65% scale, so there is no point comparing with Feb 2017.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by a male human » Fri May 18, 2018 5:38 pm

What'sUP? wrote:
tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
What does this mean?
It means the formula to get the written scaled score (out of 2000) is different, which it is every exam, to adjust for difficulty.

See attached.
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You needed to have gotten more raw essay points to get the same scaled score... but only in the lower range of scores.

Maybe the graders were more lenient this time around, or the essays were easier and thus more higher raw scores were given.

But you'll notice that the gap closes around 450-500 (which is approximately a score of 65 on all essays and PT... 65 x 7 = 455).

Overall, it doesn't mean much. Theoretically, the same level of performance should get you the same scaled score anyway. More reading here http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/0/docu ... tr0218.pdf

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by What'sUP? » Fri May 18, 2018 5:39 pm

lawschool11111111 wrote:
tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
Where did you find this information? Can you provide the link?

I am very surprised, this is very high for February.

For comparison purposes, February 2017 scale was "Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 3.0730) – 488.1300."

Based on February 2017 scale...if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 655, and your written scaled score would have been 1509.32.

But based on the February 2018 scale above, if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 455, and your written scaled score would have been 1534.4.

I wonder what accounted for this
So, is that good for F18 test takers?

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by a male human » Fri May 18, 2018 5:40 pm

lawschool11111111 wrote:Does anyone know how graders/examiners determine what a "passing" essay score is?

Certainly not all essays are designed to be of equal difficulty, and there must be a way that they account for this.

Is there a set "passing" score they have in mind for each essay prior to applicants' essays being graded (i.e. they determine all applicants will need a 65 on Essay #1 to pass) or do they wait until all the essays are graded and then determine what a "passing" score for each essay should be based on how the applicants performed overall on each essay?

I would assume it is the latter. But what do I know
I believe it's more like the latter. There's no "passing" essay score, only a score that has historically put you on track to get a 1440 written scaled score, which would put you on track to passing once combined with a 1440 MBE scaled score. That score is approximately 62.5; so it's advised to try to aim for at least 65 on average.

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Re: 2018 February CA Bar

Post by tulanelaw123 » Fri May 18, 2018 5:49 pm

lawschool11111111 wrote:
tulanelaw123 wrote:The essay scaling was released and it is lower than July, so that is great news :cry:

Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 4.6947) – 601.6471.

For comparison, July was (Raw written score x 4.3038) - 420.5653
Where did you find this information? Can you provide the link?

I am very surprised, this is very high for February.

For comparison purposes, February 2017 scale was "Written scaled score = (Raw written score x 3.0730) – 488.1300."

Based on February 2017 scale...if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 655, and your written scaled score would have been 1509.32.

But based on the February 2018 scale above, if you averaged 65 across all essays/PT your raw written score would have been 455, and your written scaled score would have been 1534.4.

I wonder what accounted for this

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