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Final Practice MBE Score VS Actual MBE Scaled Score (if released)

Post by dans1006 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:44 pm

Hey folks -

I see scattered posts about this in various bar prep threads, but I think it might be easier if it was consolidated. If you'd like to participate, please post:

(1) YOUR SCORE ON THE LAST PRACTICE MBE YOU TOOK

(2) YOUR ACTUAL MBE SCALED SCORE (IF REPORTED, OR JUST "PASSED" IF NOT REPORTED)

(3) WHICH BAR PREP YOU USED

I understand that your last practice test will be a raw score and your actual MBE will be scaled, so we're comparing apples and oranges, but that shouldn't matter since the scaling should be constant across the group.

In some of the other threads, I'm seeing people with 20-30 point swings in a positive direction. That could mean that the actual test was easier than the practice exams OR it could mean that the scaling bump is huge.

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Re: Final Practice MBE Score VS Actual MBE Scaled Score (if released)

Post by CAnow » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:00 pm

Someone put together a spreadsheet in a previous year:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &start=833

Perhaps someone who is not as technologically challenged as I am could do something like this for the July 2017 bar administration.

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Post by TXBar2017 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:28 pm

Posting so I will remember when I get my results, but 151 raw on the Themis Simulated MBE and 75 on the last 100 set. Felt good about morning but afternoon session was rough. Also did poorly (approx 60%-65%) on MBE PQ Sessions 18-20 and they seemed like they got way trickier. Completed 95% of Themis.

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Post by dans1006 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:50 pm

If someone knows how to do a google doc, that would be awesome.

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Post by tacocohcevoli » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:32 pm

I can make a spreadsheet; give me a sec.

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Post by tacocohcevoli » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:07 pm

Whoops, here we go. I based the fields roughly off the old one and added in a ticker for how many people report passing using particular study materials (right now since I'm super lazy you have the choice of "Barbri," "Kaplan," "Themis" and "Self" for self-study). I can add more stats/etc. later, just need some time to get back up to speed with the formulas. Feel free to replace the example rows with your own data.


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Post by dans1006 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:32 am

tacocohcevoli wrote:Whoops, here we go. I based the fields roughly off the old one and added in a ticker for how many people report passing using particular study materials (right now since I'm super lazy you have the choice of "Barbri," "Kaplan," "Themis" and "Self" for self-study). I can add more stats/etc. later, just need some time to get back up to speed with the formulas. Feel free to replace the example rows with your own data.
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Post by tacocohcevoli » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:22 pm

No worries!

Squiggle I took a look at the older spreadsheets and it looks like whoever made them was entering in a lot of stuff manually, so I dunno that there's much I can crib from them. When I have more time I'll work on tracking when people enter multiple options for what study materials they used; the wildcard symbol's not working in my formulas and I don't remember enough about spreadsheets to know why, lol.

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Post by dans1006 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:48 am

I have updated the spreadsheet with reports from the Barbri and the Kaplan Official July 2017 threads.

The average bump is still pretty substantial.

Sweet hope...

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Post by tacocohcevoli » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:52 pm

No problem; I'd just ask that you leave the columns as they are because all the stats are formula-based and most of them won't work if the columns are changed too much.

ETA: You can add new columns to the right of the last one, or just let me know if you want certain stats. I moved everything around so the formulas will work again.

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Post by RC76 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:28 pm

My scores came in the mail today. Very relieved.
Practice exam 140 raw
Actual 153
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Post by ThisMan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:46 pm

Practice MBE: 136
Final Scaled MBE: 159

I used Themis. I think they prepped us well. Would definitely recommend for the materials and the price.

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Post by Transfer247 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:57 pm

Practice MBE Themis: 144
Practice MBE Kaplan: 137

Actual MBE: 163

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Post by cricketlove00 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:59 pm

Unfortunately, NC doesn't tell you but I had a 137 raw with Barbri and I passed.

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Post by RB78 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:29 pm

Barbri simulation raw score: 135/200
Actual MBE score: 164 scaled (they didn't tell us raw)
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Post by lavarman84 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:05 pm

Practice MBE for Themis: 145
Scaled MBE Score: 168

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Re: Final Practice MBE Score VS Actual MBE Scaled Score (if released)

Post by TwirlerGirl » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:03 pm

I bombed my practice MBE. Luckily my actual score was higher.

Practice MBE on Themis: 120
Scaled MBE score on bar exam: 155

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Post by Thrive » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:04 am

So since nobody has ventured to ask, here we go: is there anyone who did well on the sim (ie 125+ on barbri) and didn’t do so well on the MBE?

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Post by barReady » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:19 am

tacocohcevoli wrote:Whoops, here we go. I based the fields roughly off the old one and added in a ticker for how many people report passing using particular study materials (right now since I'm super lazy you have the choice of "Barbri," "Kaplan," "Themis" and "Self" for self-study). I can add more stats/etc. later, just need some time to get back up to speed with the formulas. Feel free to replace the example rows with your own data.
Thank you

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Post by dans1006 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:39 am

Thrive wrote:So since nobody has ventured to ask, here we go: is there anyone who did well on the sim (ie 125+ on barbri) and didn’t do so well on the MBE?
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Post by Thrive » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:21 am

dans1006 wrote:
Thrive wrote:So since nobody has ventured to ask, here we go: is there anyone who did well on the sim (ie 125+ on barbri) and didn’t do so well on the MBE?
Great question.
Well. Per the data collected over the previous 2 years, only 1 or 2 individuals who got a 120+ on the barbri sim (I don’t know about the other bar programs) didn’t do noticeably better on the mbe. That sounds wayyyyyy too good to be true so I’m wondering if others would be brave enough to give us more data points.

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Post by diogenes89 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am

Thrive wrote:So since nobody has ventured to ask, here we go: is there anyone who did well on the sim (ie 125+ on barbri) and didn’t do so well on the MBE?
I almost certainly will attain this. Scored a 156 on the simulated MBE and was hitting about 65-77% on the final few sets of 100 Barbri provided. I can promise you I did not do that well on the actual thing and am still pretty sure I bombed.

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Post by cricketlove00 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:24 pm

diogenes89 wrote:
Thrive wrote:So since nobody has ventured to ask, here we go: is there anyone who did well on the sim (ie 125+ on barbri) and didn’t do so well on the MBE?
I almost certainly will attain this. Scored a 156 on the simulated MBE and was hitting about 65-77% on the final few sets of 100 Barbri provided. I can promise you I did not do that well on the actual thing and am still pretty sure I bombed.
Everyone feels like this. Wait until your results.

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Post by meat tornado » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:34 pm

Thrive wrote:
dans1006 wrote:
Thrive wrote:So since nobody has ventured to ask, here we go: is there anyone who did well on the sim (ie 125+ on barbri) and didn’t do so well on the MBE?
Great question.
Well. Per the data collected over the previous 2 years, only 1 or 2 individuals who got a 120+ on the barbri sim (I don’t know about the other bar programs) didn’t do noticeably better on the mbe. That sounds wayyyyyy too good to be true so I’m wondering if others would be brave enough to give us more data points.


Going to venture out and say that it comes down to percentiles if you exclude the mbe scale. Getting a 120 on the barbri sim probably puts you in the middle of all barbri takers, who tend to pass at higher rates than non barbri takers. Thus, you're probably going to get at least in the middle of the pack on the actual MBE. Median score on the real thing is around a 140 or so.

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