2018 February New York Bar Forum

[Banana1]

has anyone not received the email about the survey? I havent ? which e mail adress did you receive it from maybe its spam?

[Banana1]

Has anyone started the application? How early are we able to submit (once we all pass) in order to get the first admission dates?

The Second Department usually sends out reminders some time before results come out (late April-May 1st week), but you can do it whenever.

what application?

[nada123]

has anyone not received the email about the survey? I havent ? which e mail adress did you receive it from maybe its spam?

I didnt get the email about the survey.

[b290]

Has anyone started the application? How early are we able to submit (once we all pass) in order to get the first admission dates?

The Second Department usually sends out reminders some time before results come out (late April-May 1st week), but you can do it whenever.

what application?

Character and Fitness. The whole process we're doing is "Admission by Examination." The Office of Court Administration divides NY into four Judicial Departments. For our purposes, that determines where you send your application to. See here:

1st Department - Manhattan
http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/Comm ... xamination

2nd Department - Brooklyn
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad2/att ... ness.shtml
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad2/pdf ... nation.pdf

3rd Department - Albany
(Rolling filing deadline - usually swearing in is done once a month)
https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/Admissions/index.html
https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/Admissions ... onExam.pdf

4th Department - Rochester
Filing Deadline to be sworn in by June - April 30, 2018
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad4/Cle ... admin.html

Each Department determines their own processes, and deadlines. The map below's for NY residents. If you don't actually live (or have an office based) in New York State, you'll be dealing with the Third Department:

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad4/ima ... ocamap.jpg

has anyone not received the email about the survey? I havent ? which e mail adress did you receive it from maybe its spam?

I didnt get the email about the survey.

I got it, it was sent as of March 15. Check your spam folder if not in your inbox.

My $.02

[Banana1]

Has anyone started the application? How early are we able to submit (once we all pass) in order to get the first admission dates?

The Second Department usually sends out reminders some time before results come out (late April-May 1st week), but you can do it whenever.

what application?

Character and Fitness. The whole process we're doing is "Admission by Examination." The Office of Court Administration divides NY into four Judicial Departments. For our purposes, that determines where you send your application to. See here:

1st Department - Manhattan
http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/Comm ... xamination

2nd Department - Brooklyn
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad2/att ... ness.shtml
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad2/pdf ... nation.pdf

3rd Department - Albany
(Rolling filing deadline - usually swearing in is done once a month)
https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/Admissions/index.html
https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/Admissions ... onExam.pdf

4th Department - Rochester
Filing Deadline to be sworn in by June - April 30, 2018
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad4/Cle ... admin.html

Each Department determines their own processes, and deadlines. The map below's for NY residents. If you don't actually live (or have an office based) in New York State, you'll be dealing with the Third Department:

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad4/ima ... ocamap.jpg

has anyone not received the email about the survey? I havent ? which e mail adress did you receive it from maybe its spam?

I didnt get the email about the survey.

I got it, it was sent as of March 15. Check your spam folder if not in your inbox.

My $.02

who is the sender? i dont have it in spam either should i stress lol

[b290]

who is the sender? i dont have it in spam either should i stress lol

Don't worry about it. Actually, be glad you didn't get it. (I'd rather not do it) In the email's first paragraph:

"This email has been sent to all graduates of an ABA-approved law school who sat for the February 2018 New York bar examination."

Stop stressing out

My $.02

[b290]

My favorite

"Please indicate the degree to which you agree or disagree with the following statements:

I am confident I passed the February 2018 New York Bar Exam..."

Who answered "Strongly Agree?" Now THAT'S confidence

My $.02

[Banana1]

who is the sender? i dont have it in spam either should i stress lol

Don't worry about it. Actually, be glad you didn't get it. (I'd rather not do it) In the email's first paragraph:

"This email has been sent to all graduates of an ABA-approved law school who sat for the February 2018 New York bar examination."

Stop stressing out

My $.02

Haha i was a foreign graduate and have foreign friends who also didnt get it

[JustHawkin]

Has anyone started the application? How early are we able to submit (once we all pass) in order to get the first admission dates?

The Second Department usually sends out reminders some time before results come out (late April-May 1st week), but you can do it whenever.

what application?

Character and Fitness. The whole process we're doing is "Admission by Examination." The Office of Court Administration divides NY into four Judicial Departments. For our purposes, that determines where you send your application to. See here:

1st Department - Manhattan
http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/Comm ... xamination

2nd Department - Brooklyn
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad2/att ... ness.shtml
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad2/pdf ... nation.pdf

3rd Department - Albany
(Rolling filing deadline - usually swearing in is done once a month)
https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/Admissions/index.html
https://www.nycourts.gov/ad3/Admissions ... onExam.pdf

4th Department - Rochester
Filing Deadline to be sworn in by June - April 30, 2018
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad4/Cle ... admin.html

Each Department determines their own processes, and deadlines. The map below's for NY residents. If you don't actually live (or have an office based) in New York State, you'll be dealing with the Third Department:

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad4/ima ... ocamap.jpg

has anyone not received the email about the survey? I havent ? which e mail adress did you receive it from maybe its spam?

I didnt get the email about the survey.

I got it, it was sent as of March 15. Check your spam folder if not in your inbox.

My $.02

I heard 3rd Dept. typically has the quickest turn around. Is each department simply based on where you live? In a world where I pass (knock on wood), hoping to turn my application around as fast as possible.

[b290]

Is each department simply based on where you live? ...

Yes.

...If you don't actually live (or have an office based) in New York State, you'll be dealing with the Third Department...

My $.02

[gladiator0flaw11]

Better off waiting until the results come out before sending in any application paperwork, or will that significantly delay being sworn in at an earlier time frame? 2nd dept. here, I'm going to wait for the results before I do anything.

[b290]

Better off waiting until the results come out before sending in any application paperwork, or will that significantly delay being sworn in at an earlier time frame? 2nd dept. here, I'm going to wait for the results before I do anything.

Check this out:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=284090

As for waiting, I hear you. Are you just waiting on C&F (i.e. no NYLC nor MPRE)? If you do wait, you will be sworn in later, but you don't have to worry about renewing your affidavits - which have a 60 Day time limit.

My $.02

[S.as.in.Snake]

Better off waiting until the results come out before sending in any application paperwork, or will that significantly delay being sworn in at an earlier time frame? 2nd dept. here, I'm going to wait for the results before I do anything.

Check this out:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=284090

As for waiting, I hear you. Are you just waiting on C&F (i.e. no NYLC nor MPRE)? If you do wait, you will be sworn in later, but you don't have to worry about renewing your affidavits - which have a 60 Day time limit.

My $.02

You might want to double check the 60 day expiration thing. That seems to be a piece of information getting passed around but I know for a fact that is not true of the 1st Department because I called to ask.

[meat tornado]

Got my invitation to apply to the Third Department

[Sucreria]

I was assigned to the Third Department. If your current employer doesn't know that you sat for the NY Bar Exam (practicing in another state), how would you recommend handling the "Law Related Employment" section of the admissions packet? Is it common to delay applying for admission after getting your bar results?

[Banana1]

Im confused. We can wait until after the results to apply right?

[Lawyerinwaiting89]

Is it just the Third Department that sent out invitations to apply?

[b290]

Better off waiting until the results come out before sending in any application paperwork, or will that significantly delay being sworn in at an earlier time frame? 2nd dept. here, I'm going to wait for the results before I do anything.

Check this out:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=284090

As for waiting, I hear you. Are you just waiting on C&F (i.e. no NYLC nor MPRE)? If you do wait, you will be sworn in later, but you don't have to worry about renewing your affidavits - which have a 60 Day time limit.

My $.02

You might want to double check the 60 day expiration thing. That seems to be a piece of information getting passed around but I know for a fact that is not true of the 1st Department because I called to ask.

I should’ve been clearer, my mistake. My post was about the Second Department, as the poster was concerned about when to apply, and the info’s relevant to that post. You can see the said 60 day limit (for character affidavits) in the application checklist, on its own website:

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad2/pdf ... ctions.pdf

But each Department has its own rules and requirements. That’s why you need to check with the one you’re applying to. Well done for doing that

Im confused. We can wait until after the results to apply right?

Yes.

I was assigned to the Third Department. If your current employer doesn't know that you sat for the NY Bar Exam (practicing in another state), how would you recommend handling the "Law Related Employment" section of the admissions packet? Is it common to delay applying for admission after getting your bar results?

The real answer is “it depends” (like everything else. It’d probably be nice to give your employer a heads up since they’re going to be contacted (you can do it after the results). Regarding legal employers, the Departments are clear as to what counts (particularly for your 50 hour requirement), and how the affidavit is to be sent. You’ll want to go to your relevant Department for that. As for delaying the application, I’m waiting - I know plenty of people who are doing the same. Before I dole out any more money, I want my results

If there’s anything I’d “recommend”: look at your relevant application and get your info together - before you apply. I’ve already avoided so much stress by doing that. An amended application (a result of forgetting stuff and/or your being crunched for time) is a real pain, and can significantly delay your clearance & swear-in. (this is especially relevant for those applying to the 4th Department) Added bonus: you can do something else while waiting for 3 weeks from now

My. $.02

[b290]

Just in case you were wondering when results come out, here are some past examples:

Feb 2017 - April 26 (Wed)
Feb 2016 - April 26 (Tue)
Feb 2015 - April 28 (Tue)
Feb 2014 - April 24 (Thurs)
Feb 2013 - May 2 (Thurs)

Basically, you're looking at the last week in April...

For those who still worry (and wonder about results time), some observations (from my experience) and added information:

- The BOLE doesn’t release results on Mondays nor Fridays (nor weekends obv). This has been the case for almost a decade.
- It also doesn’t release early, so it won’t happen before the 4th week of April is (as it’s never happened).
- Thanks to the 4th Department’s application deadline (as it would prejudice those applying there), it’s reasonable to presume that any release would have to be before 4/30. April 30’s Monday, and is the only day in April that week, so that entire week is out.

The above basically puts April 24-26 (Tues-Thurs of of April’s 4th week) as the “safe zone” for results. Mark your calendars

My $.02

[kc128]

I literally cannot take this anymore

[lawlife718]

Just in case you were wondering when results come out, here are some past examples:

Feb 2017 - April 26 (Wed)
Feb 2016 - April 26 (Tue)
Feb 2015 - April 28 (Tue)
Feb 2014 - April 24 (Thurs)
Feb 2013 - May 2 (Thurs)

Basically, you're looking at the last week in April...

For those who still worry (and wonder about results time), some observations (from my experience) and added information:

- The BOLE doesn’t release results on Mondays nor Fridays (nor weekends obv). This has been the case for almost a decade.
- It also doesn’t release early, so it won’t happen before the 4th week of April is (as it’s never happened).
- Thanks to the 4th Department’s application deadline (as it would prejudice those applying there), it’s reasonable to presume that any release would have to be before 4/30. April 30’s Monday, and is the only day in April that week, so that entire week is out.

The above basically puts April 24-26 (Tues-Thurs of of April’s 4th week) as the “safe zone” for results. Mark your calendars

My $.02

July 2017 results were released on a Monday...

[b290]

Just in case you were wondering when results come out, here are some past examples:

Feb 2017 - April 26 (Wed)
Feb 2016 - April 26 (Tue)
Feb 2015 - April 28 (Tue)
Feb 2014 - April 24 (Thurs)
Feb 2013 - May 2 (Thurs)

Basically, you're looking at the last week in April...

For those who still worry (and wonder about results time), some observations (from my experience) and added information:

- The BOLE doesn’t release results on Mondays nor Fridays (nor weekends obv). This has been the case for almost a decade.
- It also doesn’t release early, so it won’t happen before the 4th week of April is (as it’s never happened).
- Thanks to the 4th Department’s application deadline (as it would prejudice those applying there), it’s reasonable to presume that any release would have to be before 4/30. April 30’s Monday, and is the only day in April that week, so that entire week is out.

The above basically puts April 24-26 (Tues-Thurs of of April’s 4th week) as the “safe zone” for results. Mark your calendars

My $.02

July 2017 results were released on a Monday...

This is about February exams, and you’re talking about...July? On your first post?

Nice.

My $.02

[JustHawkin]

Initial states' pass rates aren't encouraging. This is going to be rough to navigate the coming days.

[meat tornado]

Initial states' pass rates aren't encouraging. This is going to be rough to navigate the coming days.

Yeah, with a 132 national MBE median, this is going to be a complete bloodbath. I'm freaked out now

[kc128]

Initial states' pass rates aren't encouraging. This is going to be rough to navigate the coming days.

Yeah, with a 132 national MBE median, this is going to be a complete bloodbath. I'm freaked out now

I'm not sure what to make of this. It's definitely not good, BUT, I failed NY by 4 points last July w/ a 131 MBE and definitely was below average on at least 1/2 of the MEE. 1 MPT was substantial above average & the other was basically below average by the same amt. of points, so that was a wash for me...

Anyway, point: I don't know that a 132 average MBE is necessarily a death sentence unless you know that you royally fucked up like half the MEE or something. It may not put you in the 280s, but the 266 seems do-able.