July 2017 Bar Exam Results Forum

[cron1834]

NC stats: 1017 takers, 61.75% pass

Do we know how many people from Charlotte and Elon failed?

Elon: 44.26%, 61 takers- 27pass/34fail
CLS: 34.06%, 138 takers- 47/91

Jesus Christ.

Good riddance to that disaster of a school. Elon should join them.

[cricketlove00]

I definitely think Elon is being watched closely.

[pancakes3]

wtf elon has a LS too? NC has to be the most oversaturated state per capita right? (DC not being a state and all)

[cron1834]

Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.

[dimetech]

Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.

CA has 54! Law schools. Just counted. That's saturation.

[cron1834]

Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.

CA has 54! Law schools. Just counted. That's saturation.

Egregious.

[cricketlove00]

I would add Florida to the mix too.

[Damage Over Time]

Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.

CA has 54! Law schools. Just counted. That's saturation.

Holy cow. It looks like a lot of them are accredited too.

[Vol2016]

Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

[derekmuller]

Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/ ... since-2013.

[leib10]

Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/ ... since-2013.

Any source for that info?

[deceptivelyblonde]

Wyoming is up! Good luck!


If anyone is interested, you can find the following information as well for comparisons

1. Links to & Dates for Bar Results (https://deceptivelyblonde.com/bar-exam-results/)
2. Links to Past Results since Feb. 2015 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/bar ... sults.html)
3. Release Dates since Feb. 2016 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/res ... dates.html)
4. Bar Exam Statistics by State since Feb. 2013 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/bar ... state.html)
5. National Bar Exam Statistics since 2007 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/nat ... stics.html)


Hopefully the passage rates are up this year!

[derekmuller]

Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/ ... since-2013.

Any source for that info?

It's linked in the post, but it may be behind a paywall. A tweet with the source is here: https://twitter.com/KarenSloanNLJ/statu ... 3797157888

[dans1006]

Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/ ... since-2013.

Any source for that info?

It's linked in the post, but it may be behind a paywall. A tweet with the source is here: https://twitter.com/KarenSloanNLJ/statu ... 3797157888

No evidence for this speculation, but I wonder if the bump might be partially caused by the collective freak out and additional prep done by students who heard the last MBE (in Feb) had the worst scores ever.

[cricketlove00]

First, I think you're giving too much credit to law students studying for the bar.

Second, I'll never understand the MBE's "defend until we die" mantra. They've said the test hasn't changed, but we all know it has. They've added civ pro and they've introduced topics in the MBE that were not heavily tested, or at all, in prior years.

[dans1006]

First, I think you're giving too much credit to law students studying for the bar.

Second, I'll never understand the MBE's "defend until we die" mantra. They've said the test hasn't changed, but we all know it has. They've added civ pro and they've introduced topics in the MBE that were not heavily tested, or at all, in prior years.

That's fair.

I think it's patently ridiculous that the NCBE won't admit that the test has gotten tougher. Adding an entirely new body of law a few years back obviously increases the difficulty level. When it comes to going from 10 experimental questions to 25, I might have previously been persuaded that this shouldn't change anything in terms of difficulty, but after having taken the exam, I wonder how many of those non-counting questions ended up eating up a ton of my time. In practice, I was always done with 30-45 minutes to spare. On both actual MBE sessions, I was sprinting at the end. I think this is because I ended up reading and re-reading and, yes, even re-re-reading some of those long ass Civ Pro questions that didn't immediately make sense to me. Chances are some of those were just poorly written experimental questions that resulted in zero points for me but amounted to a huge time suck.

With all that said, the NCBE does have a point that there was a real, and consequential dip in the admission standards in law school admissions and, yes, we shouldn't be surprised that passage rates dipped. I just think they're using that, which is one factor, and trying to use it as a complete explanation when it's that coupled with additional factors, like the introduction of Civ Pro and the change in the format.

[derekmuller]

First, I think you're giving too much credit to law students studying for the bar.

Second, I'll never understand the MBE's "defend until we die" mantra. They've said the test hasn't changed, but we all know it has. They've added civ pro and they've introduced topics in the MBE that were not heavily tested, or at all, in prior years.

Changes in subjects or topics tested do not affect scores. This is all controlled through scaling and equating. This may help: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2015/ ... than-usual

[cricketlove00]

Good points, which I totally agree with. I just think attributing a dip in scores entirely to admissions is irresponsible. I don't think the issue is that black and white.

[blaze1306]

Oklahoma is out...congrats to a good friend of mine Erika that passed her first time !!!


Results – July 2017 Oklahoma Bar Exam

A total of 279 took the exam; 226 passed; pass rate 81%.

The following list includes EVERYONE who passed the July 2017 exam.

[codyal90]

SO is there any info on what the actual scaling is?

[maxmartin]

WA is out today.

[unlvcrjchick]

Utah results were emailed today and I am thrilled I passed; this was my second bar exam but this time as a practicing attorney 9 years after the first one (NV) and it's a miracle I passed, and with a scaled score of 306! Good luck everyone!

[HungJuror]

WA State: Of the 765 candidates who took the Summer 2017 Lawyer Bar Exam, 553 candidates passed the exam. Average UBE of 285.97; the required passing score was 270.

[ndbigdave]

WA State: Of the 765 candidates who took the Summer 2017 Lawyer Bar Exam, 553 candidates passed the exam. Average UBE of 285.97; the required passing score was 270.

For those scoring at home, that is a 72.2% pass rate. With an average score nearly 6% higher than necessary (technically 5.9%) well done to WA students.

[deceptivelyblonde]

Congrats & Good Luck!

Released recently:

North Carolina (Published Publicly)
Oklahoma ~ 81%
Washington ~ 72.2%
Utah (According to a few Reports - Nothing Published Publicly)


Anyone heard about Indiana? Usually they'd have a released date posted by now. . . .