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I think I'm going to skip these MPT workshop videos. Seems like a waste of time and I'm at 27.5% as of today.
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Anyone do the second Evidence MBE practice question set and find it incredibly hard? I scored terribly and to be honest couldn't even figure out the relevant subject matter on many of the questions, much less the right answer. This was after scoring 75% on the introductory session (which I understand is made up of easier questions).
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MelaPela wrote:Anyone do the second Evidence MBE practice question set and find it incredibly hard? I scored terribly and to be honest couldn't even figure out the relevant subject matter on many of the questions, much less the right answer. This was after scoring 75% on the introductory session (which I understand is made up of easier questions).
Omg, yes. Evidence was one of my best subjects in law school but I have majorly struggled with it so far on the MBE.
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I did the second and third sets this morning. Second set I was at 59% (20/34) and the third I was at 82% (28/34). Seems like they need to adjust the difficulty of the questions a bit or at least mix them between some of the sets.MelaPela wrote:Anyone do the second Evidence MBE practice question set and find it incredibly hard? I scored terribly and to be honest couldn't even figure out the relevant subject matter on many of the questions, much less the right answer. This was after scoring 75% on the introductory session (which I understand is made up of easier questions).
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How did people feel about the civil procedure questions and essays?
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The CivPro essays I've gotten so far have mostly centered on a PJ analysis, which I think I have the structure down for, so not so bad. Though, if I get anything on more minute issues (timing etc.), I'd probably be hosed.
Subjects I understand the least so far after having "completed" are Remedies and PR.
Subjects I understand the least so far after having "completed" are Remedies and PR.
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The questions on the practice exam #2 are laughable. I hope these are all themis questions. Half of them don't even supply enough information to give an answer.
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Ugh, at least you still scored a 59%. I'm at 40% over here.sasquatchsam wrote:I did the second and third sets this morning. Second set I was at 59% (20/34) and the third I was at 82% (28/34). Seems like they need to adjust the difficulty of the questions a bit or at least mix them between some of the sets.MelaPela wrote:Anyone do the second Evidence MBE practice question set and find it incredibly hard? I scored terribly and to be honest couldn't even figure out the relevant subject matter on many of the questions, much less the right answer. This was after scoring 75% on the introductory session (which I understand is made up of easier questions).
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What do you mean? They were hard but I didn't encounter one that was unanswerable.shaynislegend wrote:The questions on the practice exam #2 are laughable. I hope these are all themis questions. Half of them don't even supply enough information to give an answer.
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anyone know of an easy way of punching holes into the critical pass cards so i can ring them? cards are so thick regular hole punchers don't work that well.
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Can anyone shed light on the model answer below? Am I missing something?
Spoilers for Themis graded essay on Evidence. (Referring to question 2)
Themis Torts outline page 10 seems to suggest that character evidence in a civil case is admissible if the character is at issue when it is an essential element of a claim or defense? Wouldn't the cautious character be at issue here because the negligence of the Pedestrian is part of the Driver's defense?
Spoilers for Themis graded essay on Evidence. (Referring to question 2)
Themis Torts outline page 10 seems to suggest that character evidence in a civil case is admissible if the character is at issue when it is an essential element of a claim or defense? Wouldn't the cautious character be at issue here because the negligence of the Pedestrian is part of the Driver's defense?
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I just missed a property question where X secured a loan from A, B, and then C, in that order, and all with a mortgage on X's home. A, B, and C all promptly and properly recorded their mortgages. C's loan, secured by the mortgage, was made to X on the belief that X would be able to fully pay off A's loan, but it wasn't sufficient to do so. X then defaulted on all the loans, and B initiated foreclosure. The question asks whether B or C has priority.
This seemed like one of the "answer is obvious so they're trying to trick you"-type questions. I chose the answer that B had priority because B recorded first. Apparently that's wrong. The right answer is that because there is no recording act mentioned in the question, the common law first-in-time rule applies, so B has priority over C. While C's loan partially paid off X's obligation to A, it didn't fully pay off the debt, so C did not step into A's shoes via subrogation.
This answer doesn't make sense to me. First of all, the facts say A, B, and C recorded. Every state has a recording statute, and under any of the three types, A>B>C. But we're supposed to assume that if the type of recording statute isn't mentioned, they're just recording for no reason and the common law controls?
Also—and this doesn't really matter to the answer—but I wouldn't have thought that it would count as subrogation if X gives Y money to pay off a loan to Z. I would think X would have to pay Z directly to take over Y's debt.
Am I missing something? I guess if that's the default rule then that's the default rule and I'll go with it, in which case I'm not missing anything, I just think it's stupid.
This seemed like one of the "answer is obvious so they're trying to trick you"-type questions. I chose the answer that B had priority because B recorded first. Apparently that's wrong. The right answer is that because there is no recording act mentioned in the question, the common law first-in-time rule applies, so B has priority over C. While C's loan partially paid off X's obligation to A, it didn't fully pay off the debt, so C did not step into A's shoes via subrogation.
This answer doesn't make sense to me. First of all, the facts say A, B, and C recorded. Every state has a recording statute, and under any of the three types, A>B>C. But we're supposed to assume that if the type of recording statute isn't mentioned, they're just recording for no reason and the common law controls?
Also—and this doesn't really matter to the answer—but I wouldn't have thought that it would count as subrogation if X gives Y money to pay off a loan to Z. I would think X would have to pay Z directly to take over Y's debt.
Am I missing something? I guess if that's the default rule then that's the default rule and I'll go with it, in which case I'm not missing anything, I just think it's stupid.
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The common law thing is for sure stupid, considering that the lecture hand-outs do say that every state has a recording statute and the question specifically mentioned that people were recording. Seems like more of a trick than a do-you-know-the-law sort of thing.
I would also have thought the same as you re: subrogation, but I googled it up and this was a helpful in-depth explanation: https://subrogation.uslegal.com/subroga ... mortgages/ (it's probably also in our outline but didn't bother to look it up there)
I would also have thought the same as you re: subrogation, but I googled it up and this was a helpful in-depth explanation: https://subrogation.uslegal.com/subroga ... mortgages/ (it's probably also in our outline but didn't bother to look it up there)
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Yea, I got and missed that question too for the same reasons. There's no rhyme or reason to it. I'll just commit it to memory and hope they don't play games like that on the actual MBE.
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Running pretty far behind and don't know anyone else taking the July bar because I graduated last year and moved out of state. If anyone wants to chat about the material or studying shoot me a PM. Feel it would be helpful.
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So I'm fairly far along in the course % wise and have seen that a number of you guys are as well, but I'm sometimes hitting the recommended % of questions correct and sometimes not.
Are you guys over 40% completion also hitting the goal % consistently as well?
I feel like I've been studying hard, but despite that, sometimes I'm way off the goal mark.
Are you guys over 40% completion also hitting the goal % consistently as well?
I feel like I've been studying hard, but despite that, sometimes I'm way off the goal mark.
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A few that come to mindbmmccb223 wrote:What do you mean? They were hard but I didn't encounter one that was unanswerable.shaynislegend wrote:The questions on the practice exam #2 are laughable. I hope these are all themis questions. Half of them don't even supply enough information to give an answer.
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What helps me is to think of essential as "do I ABSOLUTELY NEED this evidence to prove or defend my case?" Even if Spouse did testify that Pedestrian was usually cautious and risk averse and a jury believed her 100%, a jury could still find that she was negligent on this particular occasion. I think a good example of when a character trait is needed to prove a claim is something like negligence in parental supervision (if I had the 1) opportunity but failed to 2) control my brat when 3) I knew or should have known it was necessary). Imagine if my kid was just always ridiculously violent and mauled a guest one day in my home. If the guest sues me for negligent parenting, then they can introduce my kid's violent character to establish that I knew it was necessary to control my kid. My kid's character is essential here because without it a plaintiff can't prove that I knew or should have known it was essential to control my child because I could just argue that it was unforeseeable my kid would beast out. I hope that makes sense because I'm running on caffeine, stress, and insecurity right now lolBass wrote:Can anyone shed light on the model answer below? Am I missing something?
Spoilers for Themis graded essay on Evidence. (Referring to question 2)
Themis Torts outline page 10 seems to suggest that character evidence in a civil case is admissible if the character is at issue when it is an essential element of a claim or defense? Wouldn't the cautious character be at issue here because the negligence of the Pedestrian is part of the Driver's defense?
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Yeah I'm at 51% and I think I've been pretty consistently hitting 70% on the MBE PQs. It's tricky though, because it seems like some of the MBE PQs are designed to hammer smaller rules/nuances that aren't in the lecture hand outs. I've seen it the most in Con Law and Civ Pro. I think that could be why you're sometimes dipping below the goal.bellalove23 wrote:So I'm fairly far along in the course % wise and have seen that a number of you guys are as well, but I'm sometimes hitting the recommended % of questions correct and sometimes not.
Are you guys over 40% completion also hitting the goal % consistently as well?
I feel like I've been studying hard, but despite that, sometimes I'm way off the goal mark.
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Am now at 41%, and hitting the goal consistently, but not always surpassing by a lot (usually right on the dot or a few % over). I did have some trouble with Evidence, and there was one MBE set where I missed the goal completely (by >10%).bellalove23 wrote:So I'm fairly far along in the course % wise and have seen that a number of you guys are as well, but I'm sometimes hitting the recommended % of questions correct and sometimes not.
Are you guys over 40% completion also hitting the goal % consistently as well?
I feel like I've been studying hard, but despite that, sometimes I'm way off the goal mark.
Don't worry yet! Everyone has been telling me that things will click later on! Keep reviewing the questions you get wrong and hopefully you'll start to spot those patterns.
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I guess this has been noted already, but very frustrating that sometimes the "right answer" to a practice MBE question in Themis will refer to rules or exceptions that are not actually covered even in the big outline -- they are alluded to *for the first time* in the explanation of the answer to the practice question. Especially true in the Real Property section (mortgage foreclosures especially), in my experience. I get that the subject has lots of technical rules; but if so they should be covered in the outline, not saved for explanation to a particular question.
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34% complete - I'm going to have to hustle to hit that 75% completion at this point.
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I'm at 33% today. I also will have to hustle to hit that 75% mark. I am anxious to get through the substantive law for all subjects and start drilling MBE and MEE. Time IS of the essence
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Schott is not necessarily the worst lecturer so far, though he is the loosest with following the hand out, but what makes him the worst anyway is that he has decided all of his lectures will be in the 20 minute range. Throw me a fucking 13 min every once in awhile bro
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I just started him because I didn't want to do more fucking MBE questions...cruising through the lectures isn't too bad, but I'm wary of getting complacent feeling like I've got a lot done when I'm really just sitting here listening to some guy talk at 2x speed and filling in blanks on a handout. And yeah, it's harder to absorb the material when Schott doesn't really follow the handout. Wind up rewinding it or trying to read along while listening, which means I don't take it in.whats an updog wrote:Schott is not necessarily the worst lecturer so far, though he is the loosest with following the hand out, but what makes him the worst anyway is that he has decided all of his lectures will be in the 20 minute range. Throw me a fucking 13 min every once in awhile bro
I was at 26% at the end of last Friday and I'll probably end today at only about 32%, but the weighting is strange. Ticking off the MBE con law outline and listening to all the lectures counted as like .7%, but each set of MBE PQs (34 each) counts as .4%. So once it's more practice than substantive law exposure I think the progress bar fills a lot faster.
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