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Re: July 2017 Texas Bar Exam
Going to be taking the July exam. Feeling pretty nervous about the essays, like most people I know. I've kept up with Barbri, but I still feel unprepared. Been looking at the essay questions online, but I still feel like I'm not absorbing enough info.
I feel like if I'm going to fail, it's because of the essays.
I feel like if I'm going to fail, it's because of the essays.
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Yeah, I'm like 50/50 on whether I'm going to pass or not.
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If the overall pass rate for the exam wasn't approximately 80% over the last 5 July examinations, I would be seriously freaking out right now. It hasn't dipped below about 75%. You've gotta figure that there are a lot of people who aren't taking it as seriously who will be making up a lot of that 20%.
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Yeah, I just don't understand how it's so high. This whole thing is just one big mind fuck.leib10 wrote:If the overall pass rate for the exam wasn't approximately 80% over the last 5 July examinations, I would be seriously freaking out right now. It hasn't dipped below about 75%. You've gotta figure that there are a lot of people who aren't taking it as seriously who will be making up a lot of that 20%.
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So my barbri essay grades have been 17, 13, and 15. Am I completely screwed?
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No. Just remember CIRAC and my essay advice and you'll do just fine. Honestly, with the Texas essays, the most important things are:Thrive wrote:So my barbri essay grades have been 17, 13, and 15. Am I completely screwed?
MOST IMPORTANT
Time management (i.e. get to every essay with time to write something).
Answer the call of the question
CIRAC
Short, Clear Sentences
Know the law
LEAST IMPORTANT
And here's my post in a prior thread:
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Thanks. That's encouraging.BVest wrote:No. Just remember CIRAC and my essay advice and you'll do just fine. Honestly, with the Texas essays, the most important things are:Thrive wrote:So my barbri essay grades have been 17, 13, and 15. Am I completely screwed?
MOST IMPORTANT
Time management (i.e. get to every essay with time to write something).
Answer the call of the question
CIRAC
Short, Clear Sentences
Know the law
LEAST IMPORTANT
And here's my post in a prior thread:
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So what I'm hearing is that knowing the law, while obviously important, will not preclude you from getting a lot of points if you CIRAC, apply law to facts, and come up with a strong conclusion.BVest wrote:No. Just remember CIRAC and my essay advice and you'll do just fine. Honestly, with the Texas essays, the most important things are:Thrive wrote:So my barbri essay grades have been 17, 13, and 15. Am I completely screwed?
MOST IMPORTANT
Time management (i.e. get to every essay with time to write something).
Answer the call of the question
CIRAC
Short, Clear Sentences
Know the law
LEAST IMPORTANT
And here's my post in a prior thread:
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Hey I'm definitely in the same boat as others in being nervous about the essays. I've done most of the Themis course on track but I look at the essays and often I don't know the rule to apply or, more often exactly what the rule says so I can get to the right conclusion. Here is what I'm doing and it has been really working...
I feel pretty good about the MPT and the MBE so I'm doing those at the beginning and end of the day when I'm not as energetic. I spend most of the day diving into ONE essay topic. I outline the most important rules in categories (child support, what makes a valid marriage, limited spousal maintenance) and keep it short and sweet. Then I have been just tackling as many essays as I can in the day including old ones I felt bad about when I first did them. If I get someone wrong, I fix the answer. If the topic wasn't outlined I do that quickly and efficiently.
With the exception of commercial paper (I just suck at that one) this has REALLY worked to get these rules memorized. I know I'll forgot some of the detailed exceptions on test day but I'm pretty positive so will most other people so it's okay. And, I feel so much more confident after the day that I've got a whole topic I can tackle with much more than minimum confidence on the test. Maybe this will help others. I just found that it was really not helpful to follow my program when it wasn't prioritizing the essays and I felt the worst about them. We got this guys. Hang in there.
Remember the LSAT when you got to a "rare game" and the room audibly freaked out? The test is scaled guys and if you don't freak out and just start typing you're going to get points. 77% of people pass this test, people leave entire answers blank because they spend too much time trying to remember things that they won't, and others don't study much because they are cocky. If you don't fall into those categories and you work hard until test day you have a very high chance of passing.
I feel pretty good about the MPT and the MBE so I'm doing those at the beginning and end of the day when I'm not as energetic. I spend most of the day diving into ONE essay topic. I outline the most important rules in categories (child support, what makes a valid marriage, limited spousal maintenance) and keep it short and sweet. Then I have been just tackling as many essays as I can in the day including old ones I felt bad about when I first did them. If I get someone wrong, I fix the answer. If the topic wasn't outlined I do that quickly and efficiently.
With the exception of commercial paper (I just suck at that one) this has REALLY worked to get these rules memorized. I know I'll forgot some of the detailed exceptions on test day but I'm pretty positive so will most other people so it's okay. And, I feel so much more confident after the day that I've got a whole topic I can tackle with much more than minimum confidence on the test. Maybe this will help others. I just found that it was really not helpful to follow my program when it wasn't prioritizing the essays and I felt the worst about them. We got this guys. Hang in there.
Remember the LSAT when you got to a "rare game" and the room audibly freaked out? The test is scaled guys and if you don't freak out and just start typing you're going to get points. 77% of people pass this test, people leave entire answers blank because they spend too much time trying to remember things that they won't, and others don't study much because they are cocky. If you don't fall into those categories and you work hard until test day you have a very high chance of passing.
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I agree that tackling one subject area (Wills/Trusts/Guardianship, etc.) at a time, and going over as many old essays as you can, is helpful. Eventually you start to see a lot of the same issues pop up.
The more I think about it, the more that I think that you will pass if, at the very least, you recognize the issue as a whole, reach a conclusion, and do a good job applying law to facts, even if the law is made up. It seems like the people who fail are so concerned with getting the rule right that they don't put anything down at all, or screw up their timing so they don't get to essays.
We are in the home stretch now, don't give up!
The more I think about it, the more that I think that you will pass if, at the very least, you recognize the issue as a whole, reach a conclusion, and do a good job applying law to facts, even if the law is made up. It seems like the people who fail are so concerned with getting the rule right that they don't put anything down at all, or screw up their timing so they don't get to essays.
We are in the home stretch now, don't give up!
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I know this has been asked before, but I can't find it.
Can anyone post a summary of how the 12 essays will be broken up? I know that some of them are pairs and that some of them are crossovers, but for example, what does 'business associations" mean? Does it include agency?
Can anyone post a summary of how the 12 essays will be broken up? I know that some of them are pairs and that some of them are crossovers, but for example, what does 'business associations" mean? Does it include agency?
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The thread is only 6 pages long and it was literally discussed on the previous page. You can also use the search for box at the bottom of the page to search within the thread (search for "pair").Pneumonia wrote:I know this has been asked before, but I can't find it.
Can anyone post a summary of how the 12 essays will be broken up? I know that some of them are pairs and that some of them are crossovers, but for example, what does 'business associations" mean? Does it include agency?
BA does include agency. Generally speaking one BA question will be on formation and one will be on conflicts/duties between and among shareholders/members/directors of a going concern. (That's a bit oversimplified, but a useful one). Agency can arise under either of those questions, but is more likely in the latter type of question. See, e.g., questions 9 and 10 from last July.
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does any one know a best way to understand or maybe easy explanation to understand a tie in statute concept via DTPA in consumer Rights subject ?
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Thanks!BVest wrote:The thread is only 6 pages long and it was literally discussed on the previous page. You can also use the search for box at the bottom of the page to search within the thread (search for "pair").Pneumonia wrote:I know this has been asked before, but I can't find it.
Can anyone post a summary of how the 12 essays will be broken up? I know that some of them are pairs and that some of them are crossovers, but for example, what does 'business associations" mean? Does it include agency?
BA does include agency. Generally speaking one BA question will be on formation and one will be on conflicts/duties between and among shareholders/members/directors of a going concern. (That's a bit oversimplified, but a useful one). Agency can arise under either of those questions, but is more likely in the latter type of question. See, e.g., questions 9 and 10 from last July.
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leib10 wrote:I agree that tackling one subject area (Wills/Trusts/Guardianship, etc.) at a time, and going over as many old essays as you can, is helpful. Eventually you start to see a lot of the same issues pop up.
The more I think about it, the more that I think that you will pass if, at the very least, you recognize the issue as a whole, reach a conclusion, and do a good job applying law to facts, even if the law is made up. It seems like the people who fail are so concerned with getting the rule right that they don't put anything down at all, or screw up their timing so they don't get to essays.
We are in the home stretch now, don't give up!
Yes! I had a friend that took the exam last year and said he had to make up the rules for about half or so of the essays. He says afterwards he realized that he got many of the rules wrong but he wrote something for every essay and applied the rules (even though incorrect) to get the answer that made sense. We got this.
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Anyone have a good link to study oil and gas or wills?
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The tie-in statutes are other laws which control business activities in the state, such as the door-to-door sales statute. These laws operate separate and apart from DTPA. Businesses have to follow these laws and some regulatory agency or the Attorney General can enforce these laws with injunctions and administrative penalties (i.e. fines). Some of these laws even allow for non-DTPA private causes of action (i.e. the right of a consumer to sue under the act), but will often limit damages to statutory damages or economic damages (i.e. expense to fix the problem caused).np1211 wrote:does any one know a best way to understand or maybe easy explanation to understand a tie in statute concept via DTPA in consumer Rights subject ?
DTPA offers additional options with three main benefits. First, if the tie-in statute doesn't have a private cause of action, DTPA gives you that right. Second, DTPA allows for actual damages (i.e. both economic and non-economic damages). Third, in certain situations, DTPA allows for treble damages.
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Thanks. So basically you are saying that if tie in statute allows for independent cause of action, the consumer can choose to sue under that tie in act or under DTPA for non economical damages or treble damages?BVest wrote:The tie-in statutes are other laws which control business activities in the state, such as the door-to-door sales statute. These laws operate separate and apart from DTPA. Businesses have to follow these laws and some regulatory agency or the Attorney General can enforce these laws with injunctions and administrative penalties (i.e. fines). Some of these laws even allow for non-DTPA private causes of action (i.e. the right of a consumer to sue under the act), but will often limit damages to statutory damages or economic damages (i.e. expense to fix the problem caused).np1211 wrote:does any one know a best way to understand or maybe easy explanation to understand a tie in statute concept via DTPA in consumer Rights subject ?
DTPA offers additional options with three main benefits. First, if the tie-in statute doesn't have a private cause of action, DTPA gives you that right. Second, DTPA allows for actual damages (i.e. both economic and non-economic damages). Third, in certain situations, DTPA allows for treble damages.
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Yes. To be entirely clear though, you can get your economic damages under DTPA as well. And of course you can't get treble damages in all DTPA cases.np1211 wrote: Thanks. So basically you are saying that if tie in statute allows for independent cause of action, the consumer can choose to sue under that tie in act or under DTPA for non economical damages or treble damages?
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That makes sense thanksBVest wrote:Yes. To be entirely clear though, you can get your economic damages under DTPA as well. And of course you can't get treble damages in all DTPA cases.np1211 wrote: Thanks. So basically you are saying that if tie in statute allows for independent cause of action, the consumer can choose to sue under that tie in act or under DTPA for non economical damages or treble damages?
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Anyone have any predections as to whether it will be trusts or guardianship?
Also, Bvest do you want to take the bar exam for me. It seems like you still remember more about it than I know.
Also, Bvest do you want to take the bar exam for me. It seems like you still remember more about it than I know.
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I suspect I'd do better on the essays now than MBE, though it was the reverse when I took it.TheWalrus wrote:Anyone have any predections as to whether it will be trusts or guardianship?
Also, Bvest do you want to take the bar exam for me. It seems like you still remember more about it than I know.
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Anybody doing extra work outside of what your bar prep company has assigned?
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Am I the only one that just doesn't get commercial paper? It makes no sense to me. Any advice on understanding/internalizing what I actually need to know to write a decent answer on the essay?
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From the chart on the last page, it looks like the odds are on trusts not guardianship.TheWalrus wrote:Anyone have any predections as to whether it will be trusts or guardianship?
Also, Bvest do you want to take the bar exam for me. It seems like you still remember more about it than I know.
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