Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:04 pm
definitely just failed that lol
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Ah mate seriously? You can't be certain. Fingers crossed you made it by... what was the problem?fa1493 wrote:definitely just failed that lol
Pretty much how I feel.fa1493 wrote:definitely just failed that lol
Yeah definitely not certain...but I had to guess on more than I would have liked to. Spent way too much time flipping through the outline because some of information was in a place not directly related to the topic so it wasn't intuitive when I was looking at the table of contents. Ah well. Hoping for the best!Neilt001 wrote:Ah mate seriously? You can't be certain. Fingers crossed you made it by... what was the problem?fa1493 wrote:definitely just failed that lol
Yes, I'd like to double-confirm for future testtakers that the answer to every single question can be found in the outline.Neilt001 wrote:Woohoo all done!!! It wasn't pretty but pretty sure I passed.
Just to settle this debate: ALL the answers were in the outline. I can't for the life of me understand why so many people in this thread advised us to also do the videos and take notes etc. I mean, obviously it's compulsory to watch them, but screw everyone who said they were necessary to pass this thing. In fact, even if there were some answers contained solely in the NYLC, who cares. You only need 30/50 to pass the NYLE. most, if not all, the questions are verbatim lifted answered in outline. (Having said that, there were def some tricky ones that I just had to guess, and in fact some answers are not "verbatim" from the outline - there is some analysis/synthesis involved, so it shouldn't be taken lightly). But again, so long as you're across the outline and able to navigate it quickly, you're golden.
I did the NYLC back in November and couldn't be fucked doing it again, so the outline was my sole resource.
(Then again, I don't have my results yet so I may have spoken too soon! )
Agreed!Wild Card wrote:Yes, I'd like to double-confirm for future testtakers that the answer to every single question can be found in the outline.Neilt001 wrote:Woohoo all done!!! It wasn't pretty but pretty sure I passed.
Just to settle this debate: ALL the answers were in the outline. I can't for the life of me understand why so many people in this thread advised us to also do the videos and take notes etc. I mean, obviously it's compulsory to watch them, but screw everyone who said they were necessary to pass this thing. In fact, even if there were some answers contained solely in the NYLC, who cares. You only need 30/50 to pass the NYLE. most, if not all, the questions are verbatim lifted answered in outline. (Having said that, there were def some tricky ones that I just had to guess, and in fact some answers are not "verbatim" from the outline - there is some analysis/synthesis involved, so it shouldn't be taken lightly). But again, so long as you're across the outline and able to navigate it quickly, you're golden.
I did the NYLC back in November and couldn't be fucked doing it again, so the outline was my sole resource.
(Then again, I don't have my results yet so I may have spoken too soon! )
It helps to read through the materials before taking the exam because the correct answer is sometimes embedded within a wall of text. And if you see a concept, you'll be able to say, "oh, I remember seeing that at the end/beginning of the CivPro/Contracts section, etc."
That said, it takes about 10 hours to read the outline, which isn't the best use of time when you're studying for the bar. Also, I very leisurely searched my outline during the NYLE, and even then I was able to finish in 1.5 hours. (In law school, OTOH, you know that you're in trouble if you're flipping through your outline during an exam.)
I can also confirm that the time limit feels reasonable and that the packet has all the answers (normal to be able to finish 20-30 minutes early if you just re-familiarize yourself with the ToC and are aware of the general break-down of topics beforehand). Your prep time is likely better spent making your printed outline more easily navigable for use during the exam than it is actually reading the outline for substance. Use whatever system you used to tab or organize your exam outlines in law school.Wild Card wrote:
Yes, I'd like to double-confirm for future testtakers that the answer to every single question can be found in the outline.
It helps to read through the materials before taking the exam because the correct answer is sometimes embedded within a wall of text. And if you see a concept, you'll be able to say, "oh, I remember seeing that at the end/beginning of the CivPro/Contracts section, etc."
That said, it takes about 10 hours to read the outline, which isn't the best use of time when you're studying for the bar. Also, I very leisurely searched my outline during the NYLE, and even then I was able to finish in 1.5 hours. (In law school, OTOH, you know that you're in trouble if you're flipping through your outline during an exam.)
Well...As for your statement regarding people in the thread advising the videos, since I was one I feel compelled to respond. That may be true of this particular administration of the exam, but that's an awfully conclusory statement to make - it is offered 4 times a year with changing questions and at least for my part I did say I can't definitively say there would be questions from the video. I also made some statements about watching videos because people in the past and I believe earlier in this thread mentioned being audited, getting audited, etc. The purpose of the course AND exam is to ensure at least a bare minimum of NY specific law is known to a candidate before they are licensed.Neilt001 wrote:Woohoo all done!!! It wasn't pretty but pretty sure I passed.
Just to settle this debate: ALL the answers were in the outline. I can't for the life of me understand why so many people in this thread advised us to also do the videos and take notes etc. I mean, obviously it's compulsory to watch them, but screw everyone who said they were necessary to pass this thing. In fact, even if there were some answers contained solely in the NYLC, who cares. You only need 30/50 to pass the NYLE. most, if not all, the questions are verbatim lifted answered in outline. (Having said that, there were def some tricky ones that I just had to guess, and in fact some answers are not "verbatim" from the outline - there is some analysis/synthesis involved, so it shouldn't be taken lightly). But again, so long as you're across the outline and able to navigate it quickly, you're golden.
I did the NYLC back in November and couldn't be fucked doing it again, so the outline was my sole resource.
(Then again, I don't have my results yet so I may have spoken too soon! )
Well it may be the case that earlier sittings of the exam were much more reliant upon the lectures, but such a huge variation would surprise me. Literally 95% of the questions (as far as I could tell) in this sitting were answered directly in the Outline, and the other 5% I was probably just unable to locate properly. (Of course, some may have been answered in the lectures exclusively, but not enough to be significant).studying4bar wrote:Well...As for your statement regarding people in the thread advising the videos, since I was one I feel compelled to respond. That may be true of this particular administration of the exam, but that's an awfully conclusory statement to make - it is offered 4 times a year with changing questions and at least for my part I did say I can't definitively say there would be questions from the video. I also made some statements about watching videos because people in the past and I believe earlier in this thread mentioned being audited, getting audited, etc. The purpose of the course AND exam is to ensure at least a bare minimum of NY specific law is known to a candidate before they are licensed.Neilt001 wrote:Woohoo all done!!! It wasn't pretty but pretty sure I passed.
Just to settle this debate: ALL the answers were in the outline. I can't for the life of me understand why so many people in this thread advised us to also do the videos and take notes etc. I mean, obviously it's compulsory to watch them, but screw everyone who said they were necessary to pass this thing. In fact, even if there were some answers contained solely in the NYLC, who cares. You only need 30/50 to pass the NYLE. most, if not all, the questions are verbatim lifted answered in outline. (Having said that, there were def some tricky ones that I just had to guess, and in fact some answers are not "verbatim" from the outline - there is some analysis/synthesis involved, so it shouldn't be taken lightly). But again, so long as you're across the outline and able to navigate it quickly, you're golden.
I did the NYLC back in November and couldn't be fucked doing it again, so the outline was my sole resource.
(Then again, I don't have my results yet so I may have spoken too soon! )
Also, just to settle ANOTHER debate, your experience as well as my prior posts underscore the importance of and disprove the negative perception of the written materials. They were designed specifically for the exam, but people stated they were not adequate or quality materials. I hope that regardless of people's results, they note that particular portion of your post. And I am sure you passed - either way, you'll likely know in 2 weeks or less (unless substantially more people sat for June than March, but it's a multiple choice exam...)
As for others saying they definitely failed, don't panic and don't assume that because you just had to hit 30 questions correct. You will get your results relatively and comparatively (to the UBE) quickly, so put it out of mind for now and in the event you do not pass, you will next time and you will have that opportunity in a few months. No need to sweat it! 3 months of delay will not kill your career, it isn't the end of the world, it's just an inconvenience.
nicola.kirwan wrote:Pretty much how I feel.fa1493 wrote:definitely just failed that lol
So I was late to the game and didn't realize the pdf wasn't searchable until about 45 minutes prior to the exam. Then got the searchable large print version, only to see that now it's a violation to use Ctrl+F. I have to admit, I thought that was so ridiculous that my first instinct was to say whatever, but you know, reason and ethics saved the day and I instead just wrote a short outline of the table of contents so I could easily jump to the pages of the relevant subject. Or maybe reason and ethics tanked the day, as I did not prepare in the way necessary to easily get away with not being able to quickly look up specific answers. Though I did actually listen to the videos...mostly.
Such an annoyance. The NYLE is very passable, but as it is not based on the common law, it is not intuitive and does require real studying, imo.
WheatThins wrote:I sped of my videos, was audited, and had to do the whole thing over again.yungthug92 wrote:URGENT QUESTION: If we use a video fast forwarder, will we still pass the electronic audit of time spent watching the course materials? NEED to know...
Also interested in knowing this. The practice questions were purely legal and I didn't get to practice a single hypo-style question. I was also able to find all of the practice question answers quite easily in the outline by flipping to the appropriate section.bardc123 wrote:People who took it recently...would you say the exam questions were ALL hypos or a combination of hypos/straight law questions that can easily be found in the PDF ?
The interim quiz questions in the video were only reflective in the outline about 60% of the time. Many questions were not in the outline and were either solely in the lecture or were not (at least verbatim, only inferred) in either the outline or lecture.frasier wrote:I don't believe that the prior comments about how ALL answers to the video questions are found in the outline is true anymore.
If you are taking the course you may pause and rewind, I didn't see anything in the instructions that say you cannot. If you rewind, you will need to rewatch the entire segment that you rewound, you cannot fast forward back to where you were.bbee1917 wrote:Is it OK to pause the video sometimes and/or rewind it? Nobody's mentioned if this is allowed or not.
JDB90 wrote:If you are taking the course you may pause and rewind, I didn't see anything in the instructions that say you cannot. If you rewind, you will need to rewatch the entire segment that you rewound, you cannot fast forward back to where you were.bbee1917 wrote:Is it OK to pause the video sometimes and/or rewind it? Nobody's mentioned if this is allowed or not.
I think the only thing that the board reviews and will penalize is if you use a browser "video speed up" plugin to force the video to play faster. NYLC makes you watch it at a 100% playback, no faster.
Also, just FYI, if you finish the entire NYLC, you can rewatch all the videos back on the BOLE portal (if you want to review anything).
Anyone taking this thing next week? Any seasoned NYLE takers have any advice to impart? I feel like I haven't studied enough.