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Postby camturner » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:10 am

Finally got my score in the mail. 156/169. Didn’t expect that but I’m happy about it!

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby hockeyman969 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:57 pm

Passed in July and got oath packet today, after the numerous amendments and reams of paper I never thought this day would come. Even after a "we found this, please explain" letter, which I responded honestly and truthfully to.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Derek Vinyard » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:36 pm

alexgreat wrote:So I wish someone could explain this to me but
Part A: 135
Part B: 134

Missed it, even though I did better than the mean raw score on 5 out of the 6 Florida subjects. I scored 11 points higher than the mean essay averages and scored only 1.9 points below the Florida MC average. I had a raw score of 175 scaled down to 135. Honestly I don't understand it at all. I am thinking about having them reread my essays in hopes of maybe getting an extra scaled point so I do not need to retake Florida again...anyone know of a tutor in south florida? I dont want to leave anything to chance for the 3rd time.


??? How did you lose so many points when they scaled down your score??? I thought they only change the raw score and the scaled score by 2 or 3 points and the same amount for everyone. Does anyone know anything about the raw score and scaled score???

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby not guilty » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:37 pm

Derek Vinyard wrote:??? How did you lose so many points when they scaled down your score??? I thought they only change the raw score and the scaled score by 2 or 3 points and the same amount for everyone. Does anyone know anything about the raw score and scaled score???

They do not reveal their math. It actually says "don't try and calculate it yourself" or something to that effect. Zero transparency.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby not guilty » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:07 pm

alexgreat wrote:So I wish someone could explain this to me but
Part A: 135
Part B: 134

Missed it, even though I did better than the mean raw score on 5 out of the 6 Florida subjects. I scored 11 points higher than the mean essay averages and scored only 1.9 points below the Florida MC average. I had a raw score of 175 scaled down to 135. Honestly I don't understand it at all. I am thinking about having them reread my essays in hopes of maybe getting an extra scaled point so I do not need to retake Florida again...anyone know of a tutor in south florida? I dont want to leave anything to chance for the 3rd time.


I'm convinced they are controlling the exact passing rate of Part A through this mythical "scaling." It would be very easy to do. The exams get graded, they have everyone's raw scores, then they scale accordingly with no explanation.

The mean raw score total (before scaling) was 164. So how many students failed with a 164 or even a 175 like you?

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Derek Vinyard » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:50 pm

not guilty wrote:
alexgreat wrote:So I wish someone could explain this to me but
Part A: 135
Part B: 134

Missed it, even though I did better than the mean raw score on 5 out of the 6 Florida subjects. I scored 11 points higher than the mean essay averages and scored only 1.9 points below the Florida MC average. I had a raw score of 175 scaled down to 135. Honestly I don't understand it at all. I am thinking about having them reread my essays in hopes of maybe getting an extra scaled point so I do not need to retake Florida again...anyone know of a tutor in south florida? I dont want to leave anything to chance for the 3rd time.


I'm convinced they are controlling the exact passing rate of Part A through this mythical "scaling." It would be very easy to do. The exams get graded, they have everyone's raw scores, then they scale accordingly with no explanation.

The mean raw score total (before scaling) was 164. So how many students failed with a 164 or even a 175 like you?


I could be wrong, but what seems to make sense is that each section of part A is only worth a certain percentage, so if you score very high on one section and score a couple points below the mean on all the other sections, your very high score from the one section won't be worth enough points for your to pass part A because that individual section is only worth a percentage of part A itself. So, with 6 sections each one is only worth a certain percentage (and im pretty sure that the percentage each of the 6 sections of part A are worth are determined by that section's mean). This is how I interpreted the board's analysis of how the scores are calculated. The board also mentions that part A is scaled the same way as the MBE. :idea:

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby not guilty » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:00 am

Derek Vinyard wrote:
I could be wrong, but what seems to make sense is that each section of part A is only worth a certain percentage, so if you score very high on one section and score a couple points below the mean on all the other sections, your very high score from the one section won't be worth enough points for your to pass part A because that individual section is only worth a percentage of part A itself. So, with 6 sections each one is only worth a certain percentage (and im pretty sure that the percentage each of the 6 sections of part A are worth are determined by that section's mean). This is how I interpreted the board's analysis of how the scores are calculated. The board also mentions that part A is scaled the same way as the MBE. :idea:


Yeah, it almost seems like they don't scale mc points at all and then they scale essay points down accordingly. It also appears one couldn't pass based off a great essay showing and a poor mc showing, generally speaking. Otherwise I would think alexgreat would have passed (175 raw score).

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby F Lee Bailor » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:54 pm

sallysitwell wrote:Hoping someone who has taken the FL bar could give me some insights. I am taking the FL bar this July, but I'm only doing the FL section (Part A), as I'm transferring my MBE score from another jurisdiction. I don't want to purchase a bar prep course--I plan on buying a BARBRI conviser mini review and practice essay book from ebay. I am also going to review the FL study guides that the state publishes, but I'm wondering if this will be enough? I know that there are FL specific multiple choice questions I need to prepare for, but how difficult is this section? I'm wondering if there are other resources outside of typical bar prep materials that are available and would help me prepare?

I did same thing this February. I took Barbri course and 1 month off work. Passed with 138. Just got mpre result today (my previous score fell outside of the 25 month rule.) All I need now is C&F clearance. The Barbri multiple choice and past essays got me thru. Good luck.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Xonessakayyox » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:28 pm

sallysitwell wrote:Hoping someone who has taken the FL bar could give me some insights. I am taking the FL bar this July, but I'm only doing the FL section (Part A), as I'm transferring my MBE score from another jurisdiction. I don't want to purchase a bar prep course--I plan on buying a BARBRI conviser mini review and practice essay book from ebay. I am also going to review the FL study guides that the state publishes, but I'm wondering if this will be enough? I know that there are FL specific multiple choice questions I need to prepare for, but how difficult is this section? I'm wondering if there are other resources outside of typical bar prep materials that are available and would help me prepare?

For the essays, review all past essay questions and answers posted on the Bar’s website. It gave me a good feel on what subjects they like to test and how. Try to outline them too, if you have the time. For the MC question, the best you can do is know the Fla distinctions. As others have stated, you will always feel like you didn’t get a single question right but that’s never the case.

I also have my old Fla Themis outlines if you want them.

Part A:151 Part B:149

I went to school out of state and saw Fla law for the first time during Bar prep. I found the outlines and outlining old essays to be most helpful for the Fla section.

Best of luck to you.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby not guilty » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:59 am

mystikal wrote:So, I received my results for the Florida Bar Examination...sadly I Failed, by 7 points.
I am mind boggled because essay 1 was much higher than essay 3. I brought back my testing material (for the essay) with all of my notes, and know for sure I nailed the commercial and secured transactions essay. However, my score seems like I completely bombed it. I was thinking about having the exam re-graded. Has anyone in this jurisdiction or any other challenge the board? Appeal?
Thanks for any input.


I'm right there with you. My essay scores make no sense based off my knowledge of the law. My guess on points for essays 1-3 were 55, 40, and 35. In the end they gave essay 1 and 2 the exact same points and destroyed me in essay 3.

You have to recognize that they scale points (especially for essay), so even if they gave you 8 more raw points you wouldn't necessarily pass.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Derek Vinyard » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:55 am

Xonessakayyox wrote:
sallysitwell wrote:Hoping someone who has taken the FL bar could give me some insights. I am taking the FL bar this July, but I'm only doing the FL section (Part A), as I'm transferring my MBE score from another jurisdiction. I don't want to purchase a bar prep course--I plan on buying a BARBRI conviser mini review and practice essay book from ebay. I am also going to review the FL study guides that the state publishes, but I'm wondering if this will be enough? I know that there are FL specific multiple choice questions I need to prepare for, but how difficult is this section? I'm wondering if there are other resources outside of typical bar prep materials that are available and would help me prepare?

For the essays, review all past essay questions and answers posted on the Bar’s website. It gave me a good feel on what subjects they like to test and how. Try to outline them too, if you have the time. For the MC question, the best you can do is know the Fla distinctions. As others have stated, you will always feel like you didn’t get a single question right but that’s never the case.

I also have my old Fla Themis outlines if you want them.

Part A:151 Part B:149

I went to school out of state and saw Fla law for the first time during Bar prep. I found the outlines and outlining old essays to be most helpful for the Fla section.

Best of luck to you.


I may be interested in those outlines. That is a really good fl score. Please send them to my gmail: okcomNOSPAMputer516@gmail (remove nospam). Thanks!!

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby Derek Vinyard » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:51 pm

camturner wrote:Finally got my score in the mail. 156/169. Didn’t expect that but I’m happy about it!


What did you use to prepare to get a mbe score that high?

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby LSATobsessed » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:36 pm

anyone get a confirmation from the bar after sending back their notarized swear in form?

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby camturner » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:16 pm

Derek Vinyard wrote:
camturner wrote:Finally got my score in the mail. 156/169. Didn’t expect that but I’m happy about it!


What did you use to prepare to get a mbe score that high?


I did Themis bar review and did watch all of the lectures. I studied the lecture outlines only and just took tons of practice tests through Themis. I literally did all of them and then went back as the test got closer (and I had studied more) and redid the questions I had missed.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby dubj » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:38 pm

Passed FL. Looking at joining federal appellate and u.s. supreme court bars once my stuff goes through. Is this another investigation into my soul or is this more of fill out a form and write them a check? Thank you!!

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby hockeyman969 » Thu May 10, 2018 10:58 pm

dubj wrote:Passed FL. Looking at joining federal appellate and u.s. supreme court bars once my stuff goes through. Is this another investigation into my soul or is this more of fill out a form and write them a check? Thank you!!


Federal courts are easy, certificate(s) of good standing and a check. Some I know you need a sponsor, not sure about FL.

US Supreme court there is a term of admission requirement I think it's 3 years, but don't quote me.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby not guilty » Mon May 14, 2018 9:43 am

They do not re-grade essays by the way, not in the traditional sense. I think they re-count everything to make sure your total score made sense.

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Re: Florida Bar Exam - Official Thread

Postby camturner » Mon May 14, 2018 2:53 pm

If anyone knows of anyone looking for private tutoring for the FL bar, I'm willing to do some. 20 years of experience practicing and took the FL bar in February 2018, scoring 156/169. I would tutor mostly remotely from Chicago, though I do spend time in the Miami area for a week or two every month. Rates are reasonable and somewhat negotiable. Feel free to email me at cameronturner1972@gmail.com with inquiries.

Thanks.



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