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Only true for a couple states. Not true in NY iirc.estamosjuntos wrote:Need to clarify something: Somebody told me the MBE score is a floor. so i.e. for New York you fail if you get below a 133 on the MBE regardless of whether you ace the essays. That true?
not true in NY unless they've changed the rules for UBEDesert Fox wrote:Only true for a couple states. Not true in NY iirc.estamosjuntos wrote:Need to clarify something: Somebody told me the MBE score is a floor. so i.e. for New York you fail if you get below a 133 on the MBE regardless of whether you ace the essays. That true?
Do UBE states not scale them to the MBE scale like everyone else?Br3v wrote:Can someone post percentiles for NY/UBE essays?
You'll be there in February?spyke123 wrote:sorry, 150-160 raw isn't high enough. see you in FebruaryCrowing wrote:I know this is TLS, but relax man. I tried to Google a conversion from raw into scaled and I couldn't find an exact answer. I understand that the IL bar has supposedly gotten harder year to year. Themis is pushing for 70% plus, and I'm not sure if I'll get that on test day with nerves.Eldon Tyrell wrote:How are law students so smart and so stupid at the same time.Crowing wrote:I haven't been to TLS since 1L, but I'm freaking out about the bar and basically not comprehending how so many people pass this thing.
Sorry for not reading this thread in depth, but I'm wondering what might be a good raw score to shoot for in IL in order to compensate for completely shitting the bed on the essays?
I'm currently running around 150-160 raw in Themis PQs, so I'd just like to get an idea of where I should get to.
I'm really not good at the essays--spitting out rules is pretty difficult for me, so I'm hoping to count on MBE/MPT to get me through. So I'm just trying to get a concrete idea of what I need.
chill, son, chillEldon Tyrell wrote:You graduated from one of the top law schools in the country, taking an 80% pass rate bar and couldn't even read a few pages of this thread before you started freaking out. This makes you a really smart idiot.Crowing wrote:I know this is TLS, but relax man. I tried to Google a conversion from raw into scaled and I couldn't find an exact answer. I understand that the IL bar has supposedly gotten harder year to year. Themis is pushing for 70% plus, and I'm not sure if I'll get that on test day with nerves.Eldon Tyrell wrote:How are law students so smart and so stupid at the same time.Crowing wrote:I haven't been to TLS since 1L, but I'm freaking out about the bar and basically not comprehending how so many people pass this thing.
Sorry for not reading this thread in depth, but I'm wondering what might be a good raw score to shoot for in IL in order to compensate for completely shitting the bed on the essays?
I'm currently running around 150-160 raw in Themis PQs, so I'd just like to get an idea of where I should get to.
I'm really not good at the essays--spitting out rules is pretty difficult for me, so I'm hoping to count on MBE/MPT to get me through. So I'm just trying to get a concrete idea of what I need.
JJm11 wrote:I took the Mass bar and passed and got a 155 on the mbe. Connecticut allows you to transfer your mbe score for a year and a half after taking the bar so i signed up for it. What's nice is the passing score is lower than Mass, you only need a 264 to pass. The mbe is 50%. But i did look and i think there were a couple essay scores lower than 109. I havent started studying yet and it's a week from today. I plan on studying a lot over the next week, so ill let people know how it goes and for my sake, i hope it really is an autopass if i write a few coherent things down.
Also, some advice to people taking the bar for the first time. I took Kaplan and i think i scored around 132 on the midterm and final. When i took the real bar i thought the questions were NOTHING like what i had studied. The second session was especially horrible, i literally was guessing between two or 3 answers for most of those questions. I walked out feeling defeated after the mbe and worried i bombed it and i was banking on my essays to carry me. When i got my scores i actually did better on the mbe than the essays. So when you're on question 66 and freaking out thinking you're failing it, try not to worry too much and just keep going because everyone is in the same boat and you're probably doing a lot better than you think you are.
?Love With The Coco wrote:UBE states = 50% MBE, 30% MEE, 20% MPT
So 150 pretty much puts you in autopass territory. What's 150 as a % of questions? 70%?
A couple years ago it more like 67-68%. Dunno how it's changed.Love With The Coco wrote:?Love With The Coco wrote:UBE states = 50% MBE, 30% MEE, 20% MPT
So 150 pretty much puts you in autopass territory. What's 150 as a % of questions? 70%?
Odd5ky wrote:seperac's calculators never made sense, feel free to ignore them entirely
New York scales the MEE and MPT to the MBE.arklaw13 wrote:Do UBE states not scale them to the MBE scale like everyone else?Br3v wrote:Can someone post percentiles for NY/UBE essays?
New York is big enough that their MBE stats are probably fairly close to the national stats: MBE starts on page 39 with a jenky ass map that looks like it was drawn by hand.nickpapagiorgio wrote:New York scales the MEE and MPT to the MBE.arklaw13 wrote:Do UBE states not scale them to the MBE scale like everyone else?Br3v wrote:Can someone post percentiles for NY/UBE essays?
Haven't been able to find any statistics for New York beyond pass rate. Has anyone come across more detailed stats for the UBE in NY? Like average MBE, average MEE, etc?
Thank you. I wish New York released stats on essays and MPT.BVest wrote:New York is big enough that their MBE stats are probably fairly close to the national stats: MBE starts on page 39 with a jenky ass map that looks like it was drawn by hand.nickpapagiorgio wrote:New York scales the MEE and MPT to the MBE.arklaw13 wrote:Do UBE states not scale them to the MBE scale like everyone else?Br3v wrote:Can someone post percentiles for NY/UBE essays?
Haven't been able to find any statistics for New York beyond pass rate. Has anyone come across more detailed stats for the UBE in NY? Like average MBE, average MEE, etc?
Without looking it up, I assume those are scaled to the MBE distribution, like most other states do. For example, if the mean MBE is a 140.3 (like last July) and your raw essay score is right at the mean raw essay score, then your scaled essay score is a 140.3. Likewise, if your raw essay score is one standard deviation above the mean raw essay score, your scaled score would be 140.3+ 1 standard deviation (16.7 in July, for a 157 scaled score).nickpapagiorgio wrote: Thank you. I wish New York released stats on essays and MPT.
Super helpful. So is the below spreadsheet a good representation of how the UBE would be scored in New York? Sorry, can't post images yet.BVest wrote:Without looking it up, I assume those are scaled to the MBE distribution, like most other states do. For example, if the mean MBE is a 140.3 (like last July) and your raw essay score is right at the mean raw essay score, then your scaled essay score is a 140.3. Likewise, if your raw essay score is one standard deviation above the mean raw essay score, your scaled score would be 140.3+ 1 standard deviation (16.7 in July, for a 157 scaled score).nickpapagiorgio wrote: Thank you. I wish New York released stats on essays and MPT.