Top Law Schools

jumbocolumbo wrote:What kind of jobs are people getting at median? I scrolled through this thread and don't think I saw an answer to this Q, but I may have missed something.

herzog197 wrote:Do you recommend any specific supplemental course material for 1Ls? I have seen several flash card sets and other materials available (e.g. Glannon E&E & Multiple Choice Guide) and wanted to see if there was any benefit

arklaw13 wrote:

jumbocolumbo wrote:What kind of jobs are people getting at median? I scrolled through this thread and don't think I saw an answer to this Q, but I may have missed something.

It's really hard to say. We just don't have as many data points as a lot of the T14 schools. I can give you some pretty specific employment data for 2Ls from this summer if you're interested.

hopefuljumbo23 wrote:

arklaw13 wrote:

jumbocolumbo wrote:What kind of jobs are people getting at median? I scrolled through this thread and don't think I saw an answer to this Q, but I may have missed something.

It's really hard to say. We just don't have as many data points as a lot of the T14 schools. I can give you some pretty specific employment data for 2Ls from this summer if you're interested.

I'm interested! I'm considering Vandy and just want to know what happens to people who end up going to Vandy and then not performing well on their 1L finals.

arklaw13 wrote:

hopefuljumbo23 wrote:

arklaw13 wrote:

jumbocolumbo wrote:What kind of jobs are people getting at median? I scrolled through this thread and don't think I saw an answer to this Q, but I may have missed something.

It's really hard to say. We just don't have as many data points as a lot of the T14 schools. I can give you some pretty specific employment data for 2Ls from this summer if you're interested.

I'm interested! I'm considering Vandy and just want to know what happens to people who end up going to Vandy and then not performing well on their 1L finals.

Well I don't know anyone else's grades, so that's hard to know. We only get told if we're in the top 20% for any given semester. The top 20% do really well generally. But for the other 80% it's hard to know how much their job prospects are directly tied to GPA vs the markets they target or other factors.

SirArthurDayne wrote:1L schedules were just released. So far I have Seymore for Torts, Suzanna for CivPro, Watts for Legal Writing, and George for Contracts. Any current or former students care to share their thoughts on these professors, or any general advice you might have?

Thanks in advance.

Scalvert wrote:Any thoughts on M. Bressman, Wuerth or Rossi?

Right2BearArms wrote:

SirArthurDayne wrote:1L schedules were just released. So far I have Seymore for Torts, Suzanna for CivPro, Watts for Legal Writing, and George for Contracts. Any current or former students care to share their thoughts on these professors, or any general advice you might have?

Thanks in advance.

You hit the jackpot, honestly. 3 of the best 5-6 professors at the school honestly.

I never took George or Seymore, but had a lot of interaction with Seymore due to Journal work, and he is an amazing guy, and absurdly smart.

George co-authored the textbook you will use for Ks, so there is that.

Suzanna Sherry... she is possibly the most terrifying teacher / professor I ever had. Her classes are HARD, and she expects you to be prepared (also be on time... she will stop lecturing and stare down ppl who walk in late until they are seated), but you will learn Civ-Pro better than you think at the time.

SirArthurDayne wrote:

Right2BearArms wrote:

SirArthurDayne wrote:1L schedules were just released. So far I have Seymore for Torts, Suzanna for CivPro, Watts for Legal Writing, and George for Contracts. Any current or former students care to share their thoughts on these professors, or any general advice you might have?

Thanks in advance.

You hit the jackpot, honestly. 3 of the best 5-6 professors at the school honestly.

I never took George or Seymore, but had a lot of interaction with Seymore due to Journal work, and he is an amazing guy, and absurdly smart.

George co-authored the textbook you will use for Ks, so there is that.

Suzanna Sherry... she is possibly the most terrifying teacher / professor I ever had. Her classes are HARD, and she expects you to be prepared (also be on time... she will stop lecturing and stare down ppl who walk in late until they are seated), but you will learn Civ-Pro better than you think at the time.

Thanks for the feedback!

Right2BearArms wrote:

Scalvert wrote:Any thoughts on M. Bressman, Wuerth or Rossi?

I had Bressman and Rossi. Both are fine, if not spectacular.

Bressman can be really funny, and he is a nice guy, if not super organized.

Rossi, you will either love or hate. He lectures more than most professors, and cold calls from him are never a big deal. He will stare at the back wall of the lecture hall the entire time he talks, and his exam will be absurd, though entertaining. Tip for his class is to read everything he assigns and then literally write as many words as you can on the exam. Basically try to fit every concept into the exam you can, even if it is just to dismiss it as incorrect.

Right2BearArms wrote:

Scalvert wrote:Any thoughts on M. Bressman, Wuerth or Rossi?

I had Bressman and Rossi. Both are fine, if not spectacular.

Bressman can be really funny, and he is a nice guy, if not super organized.

Rossi, you will either love or hate. He lectures more than most professors, and cold calls from him are never a big deal. He will stare at the back wall of the lecture hall the entire time he talks, and his exam will be absurd, though entertaining. Tip for his class is to read everything he assigns and then literally write as many words as you can on the exam. Basically try to fit every concept into the exam you can, even if it is just to dismiss it as incorrect.

do_me_a_favor wrote:

Right2BearArms wrote:

Scalvert wrote:Any thoughts on M. Bressman, Wuerth or Rossi?

I had Bressman and Rossi. Both are fine, if not spectacular.

Bressman can be really funny, and he is a nice guy, if not super organized.

Rossi, you will either love or hate. He lectures more than most professors, and cold calls from him are never a big deal. He will stare at the back wall of the lecture hall the entire time he talks, and his exam will be absurd, though entertaining. Tip for his class is to read everything he assigns and then literally write as many words as you can on the exam. Basically try to fit every concept into the exam you can, even if it is just to dismiss it as incorrect.

how would you describe their exams? straightforward?
By and large, yes, both Bressman and Rossi give straightforward exams. My year, Bressman and George gave the exact same exam, though I am not sure if that continued.

Rossi's exam is large, and has (or had) both short answer and a huge issue spotting question. It was probably the most outline dumping I did in law school and I did very well on it lol

do you remember if they offered many previous exams for practice purposes, or just a few? is there a Vandy exam bank, or anything like that, and if so is it extensive? Every professor offers at least some old exams or questions. Some have them on file in the library, but most put them up on Blackboard part way through the semester. I think most post 3-5. I would do at least 2-3 if possible to get a feel for what and how a particular professor asks a question. It can also be helpful to see things they ask multiple years. Its more hit or miss as far as who posts model answers, but I never had any trouble discussing questions with a prof. during office hours or during a review session.

appreciate your time!!

Right2BearArms wrote:.

The Abyss wrote:

Right2BearArms wrote:.

Any thoughts on Allensworth for Contracts, Fitzpatrick for Civ Pro, and Bressman, L for Reg State?

Right2BearArms wrote:

The Abyss wrote:

Right2BearArms wrote:.

Any thoughts on Allensworth for Contracts, Fitzpatrick for Civ Pro, and Bressman, L for Reg State?

Sadly, I cannot offer much help, as I never took a class with any of those professors.

I know literally nothing about Allensworth.

I have heard good and bad things about Fitzpatrick. I think he is intense, but fair (that is the feeling I get overall).

Lady Bressman is one of the three professors who created Reg State, so she knows the subject super well. Several friends took her for admin law and absolutely loved her. Be prepared, Reg State is overall pretty awful. It is admin law lite, and the book is tedious. More than any other class, take good notes and read for this one.

The Abyss wrote:Any thoughts from anyone on Slobogin for crim law, Ruhl for property, Mikos for con law, and George for torts (I think this is the 1st time she's taught torts, but idk for sure)?

arklaw13 wrote:

The Abyss wrote:Any thoughts from anyone on Slobogin for crim law, Ruhl for property, Mikos for con law, and George for torts (I think this is the 1st time she's taught torts, but idk for sure)?

I only had Slobogin out of those, but he was one of my favorite processors. Everyone likes Ruhl, enough for us to vote him as our commencement speaker. George is another of everyone's favorite professors, and Mikos is a better option than most for con law. I'd say you have a really good schedule.