Movement Today Forum

[Anonymous User]

also other D. Mass. judges besides Saris and Saylor?

Sorokin and Young have moved.

Lynch and Barron are almost done hiring. Kayatta, Thompson, and Boudin have moved/extended offers.

Seyla has also moved/offered.

[Anonymous User]

Any news on Maine judges? also other D. Mass. judges besides Saris and Saylor?

Torresen is done for 2020. No idea for Levy/Singal

[Anonymous User]

To current clerks, would an application still be considered if submitted today or tomorrow?

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard from D. Maryland, S.D. Texas, or D. Nevada?

I've been told Ellison and Bennett have extended interviews. Lake has hired.

[Anonymous User]

Any movement in C.D Cal.? Total radio silence here.

[Anonymous User]

Any movement in C.D Cal.? Total radio silence here.

Selna, Staton, Kronstadt, Bernal, and Gutierrez have extended interview invites

[Anonymous User]

Any word on D. NH?

[Anonymous User]

Any movement in C.D Cal.? Total radio silence here.

Selna, Staton, Kronstadt, Bernal, and Gutierrez have extended interview invites

^^ anon from above. I should clarify that I didn't mean to imply that they're finished with interview invites. Have no idea where they are in that process.

[Anonymous User]

Any word on D. NH?

Only one I'm aware of that's fully hired for 2020 is Barbadoro.

[Anonymous User]

Any word on D. Conn. besides Bryant?

[Anonymous User]

Any movement in E.D. Va.?

[Anonymous User]

Any word on movement in D. Nev., D. Ariz., or E.D. Mich.?

[Anonymous User]

To current clerks, would an application still be considered if submitted today or tomorrow?

Oh yes, 100 percent! I know it seems like everything is moving a million miles an hour but there are tons of judges out there still sorting through the process. I'm the CA9 anon who's posted in this thread a few times, and I can tell you that while most of the court is actively interviewing and several have made at least one offer, I haven't heard of any judges who have hired 4 clerks since Monday. We are in the middle of several interviews but if a can't-miss app hit our inbox tomorrow we'd be on it immediately.

[Anonymous User]

To current clerks, would an application still be considered if submitted today or tomorrow?

Oh yes, 100 percent! I know it seems like everything is moving a million miles an hour but there are tons of judges out there still sorting through the process. I'm the CA9 anon who's posted in this thread a few times, and I can tell you that while most of the court is actively interviewing and several have made at least one offer, I haven't heard of any judges who have hired 4 clerks since Monday. We are in the middle of several interviews but if a can't-miss app hit our inbox tomorrow we'd be on it immediately.

This is assuring because, despite sending all my materials to my school's clerkship office June 1, they didn't send out my paper apps until today.

This whole process has revealed to me the vast gulfs in the quality of some schools' clerkship offices.

[Anonymous User]

if an application on Oscar has expired, should we withdraw immediately? If any current clerks can talk to how it works on their end.

If we withdraw, will our application disappear from your system, even if you saw it already? Does the expiration on Oscar mean that a chambers has considered all the applications? I don't want to withdraw an application that expired if the chambers was considering giving me an interview, and then they see i withdrew my application, and then they assume i'm not interested anymore.

[HillandHollow]

if an application on Oscar has expired, should we withdraw immediately? If any current clerks can talk to how it works on their end.

If we withdraw, will our application disappear from your system, even if you saw it already? Does the expiration on Oscar mean that a chambers has considered all the applications? I don't want to withdraw an application that expired if the chambers was considering giving me an interview, and then they see i withdrew my application, and then they assume i'm not interested anymore.

If I am understanding your question correctly, the correct response is often to just contact chambers and ask them if they are still considering applications. I am not sure why you would withdraw?

[Anonymous User]

if an application on Oscar has expired, should we withdraw immediately? If any current clerks can talk to how it works on their end.

If we withdraw, will our application disappear from your system, even if you saw it already? Does the expiration on Oscar mean that a chambers has considered all the applications? I don't want to withdraw an application that expired if the chambers was considering giving me an interview, and then they see i withdrew my application, and then they assume i'm not interested anymore.

If I am understanding your question correctly, the correct response is often to just contact chambers and ask them if they are still considering applications. I am not sure why you would withdraw?

Sorry for the way I worded this but you understood what I'm asking. I ask because I am at the 100 spot limit on Oscar, and I would withdraw so I could free up a spot, especially if a judge has already picked his interviewees and (understandably) hasn't updated Oscar because of how busy this time of the year is.

[nixy]

I’m assuming because there’s a limit on the total number of applications, and if you withdraw one you can submit to a new judge?

[HillandHollow]

Sorry for the way I worded this but you understood what I'm asking. I ask because I am at the 100 spot limit on Oscar, and I would withdraw so I could free up a spot, especially if a judge has already picked his interviewees and (understandably) hasn't updated Oscar because of how busy this time of the year is.

Oh, then yeah, just call and ask (or email, if that seems better).

[notorious_mig]

Quick question: when I update an application in OSCAR, does the judge (and/or his/her clerks) see it? i.e., is there any change on the judge's end, or does it just still read as "finalized" or whatever?

[HillandHollow]

Quick question: when I update an application in OSCAR, does the judge (and/or his/her clerks) see it? i.e., is there any change on the judge's end, or does it just still read as "finalized" or whatever?

When you update something, your app status changes from Finalized to Updated, and all we see is something like this:
"Writing Sample (Updated 05/8/2019 08:59 am)" and the "Writing Sample" part is a link to the document.

[Anonymous User]

Quick question: when I update an application in OSCAR, does the judge (and/or his/her clerks) see it? i.e., is there any change on the judge's end, or does it just still read as "finalized" or whatever?

When you update something, your app status changes from Finalized to Updated, and all we see is something like this:
"Writing Sample (Updated 05/8/2019 08:59 am)" and the "Writing Sample" part is a link to the document.

So if you’ve already passed over my application, there’s no guarantee you’ll look at it again to see what the update is?

[HillandHollow]

Quick question: when I update an application in OSCAR, does the judge (and/or his/her clerks) see it? i.e., is there any change on the judge's end, or does it just still read as "finalized" or whatever?

When you update something, your app status changes from Finalized to Updated, and all we see is something like this:
"Writing Sample (Updated 05/8/2019 08:59 am)" and the "Writing Sample" part is a link to the document.

So if you’ve already passed over my application, there’s no guarantee you’ll look at it again to see what the update is?

The answer to this kind of depends. Let me try to give a couple hypos:

(1) If you were someone we reviewed and decided "no" on, based on a variety of factors (say, low grades, meh school, bad writing sample), then an updated writing sample alone would not pique my curiosity.

(2) If you were someone we reviewed and decided "yes" on, then I would almost definitely review whatever was updated. In this scenario, I likely also happen to have downloaded your original submission, and I could--if I wanted--compare the new thing to the old. This happened one time, in which the candidate updated their packet by replacing their writing sample with a more relevant one. The first sample was good enough for consideration, but the second was even better, so it was a good update.

(3) If you were someone we reviewed and decided "no" on based on JUST your writing sample, but then you updated your writing sample, I would probably take a look at it. This sort of happened with one candidate, who used something like a 1L memo as a writing sample, but later got approval to use something from their summer position which was a much better sample. I don't remember whether they moved forward in the process, but it definitely strengthened their application, at the very least.

[Anonymous User]

Quick question: when I update an application in OSCAR, does the judge (and/or his/her clerks) see it? i.e., is there any change on the judge's end, or does it just still read as "finalized" or whatever?

When you update something, your app status changes from Finalized to Updated, and all we see is something like this:
"Writing Sample (Updated 05/8/2019 08:59 am)" and the "Writing Sample" part is a link to the document.

So if you’ve already passed over my application, there’s no guarantee you’ll look at it again to see what the update is?

The answer to this kind of depends. Let me try to give a couple hypos:

(1) If you were someone we reviewed and decided "no" on, based on a variety of factors (say, low grades, meh school, bad writing sample), then an updated writing sample alone would not pique my curiosity.

(2) If you were someone we reviewed and decided "yes" on, then I would almost definitely review whatever was updated. In this scenario, I likely also happen to have downloaded your original submission, and I could--if I wanted--compare the new thing to the old. This happened one time, in which the candidate updated their packet by replacing their writing sample with a more relevant one. The first sample was good enough for consideration, but the second was even better, so it was a good update.

(3) If you were someone we reviewed and decided "no" on based on JUST your writing sample, but then you updated your writing sample, I would probably take a look at it. This sort of happened with one candidate, who used something like a 1L memo as a writing sample, but later got approval to use something from their summer position which was a much better sample. I don't remember whether they moved forward in the process, but it definitely strengthened their application, at the very least.

What if it’s a resume update?

[HillandHollow]

What if it’s a resume update?

I think the above still generally applies. Our application window was not so big that people would likely be adding substantial new things to their resume. At best the update would be an address change, or like finalizing a GPA or something? I'm not recalling any time when someone added any new substantive experience, which is something that would have been considered by us.

But in general, i'm saying that if you were dinged on the basis of a single thing and that thing is the one you update, I'd look at it. Ifyou were dinged for multiple things, then updating one of them would most like not get a new look. The only exception to this is if we felt we needed more candidates in our pool or something, we might look at it then, too.