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2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:47 pm

A bit early, especially since most people have just started or starting this month. But figured I'd start off this topic in case there's anyone out there who is off-cycle or those who are having preliminary thoughts about whether they are going to return to their summer/prior firm. Otherwise, when does everyone plan to get applications rolling?

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:40 am

oh boy, here we go. Probably ASAP. Did you see last year's thread? Depressing. :cry:

Any consensus on the best strategy?

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:46 pm

Started my clerkship a few weeks ago and have been trying to figure out where to start with applications. I applied to some federal honors programs that looked interesting. As far as firms go, is it just a mass-mail approach where you send your info directly to recruiters without any kind of job posting or whatever?

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 12:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:oh boy, here we go. Probably ASAP. Did you see last year's thread? Depressing. :cry:

Any consensus on the best strategy?

What's the TL;DR on last year's thread? I saw a few people still looking pretty late in the game. Is post law clekr hiring pretty stagnant?

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:23 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:oh boy, here we go. Probably ASAP. Did you see last year's thread? Depressing. :cry:

Any consensus on the best strategy?

What's the TL;DR on last year's thread? I saw a few people still looking pretty late in the game. Is post law clekr hiring pretty stagnant?


Basically unless you’re clerking in a major district or COA, you won’t receive much in the way of solicitation and your options will be about what they were before you clerked. (Which has been the case for a while, but actual clerks are still surprised to experience it.)

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:32 pm

What's the consensus on waiting for bar results vs. applying now? Any reason to wait?

Also, any thoughts about applying to firms that you had an offer from after 2L OCI but turned down? Address it in the cover letter, or just make the case for why you'd want to be there without mentioning it?

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Started my clerkship a few weeks ago and have been trying to figure out where to start with applications. I applied to some federal honors programs that looked interesting. As far as firms go, is it just a mass-mail approach where you send your info directly to recruiters without any kind of job posting or whatever?


There aren't many job postings out there so I will probably do both.

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What's the consensus on waiting for bar results vs. applying now? Any reason to wait?

Also, any thoughts about applying to firms that you had an offer from after 2L OCI but turned down? Address it in the cover letter, or just make the case for why you'd want to be there without mentioning it?


I don't see a reason to wait. Worst case scenario they will tell you to come back after taking the bar.

They likely have all your info in the system already including that you rejected an offer so it's always better to be transparent. Don't know why you rejected but there are legitimate ethical reasons for not accepting a big law offer while you are clerking. Some judges simply won't let you!

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Basically unless you’re clerking in a major district or COA, you won’t receive much in the way of solicitation and your options will be about what they were before you clerked. (Which has been the case for a while, but actual clerks are still surprised to experience it.)

This is helpful to know--thanks! Currently clerking for an MJ in the district I want to remain in. Hopefully I can swing something in the district!

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:30 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:What's the consensus on waiting for bar results vs. applying now? Any reason to wait?

Also, any thoughts about applying to firms that you had an offer from after 2L OCI but turned down? Address it in the cover letter, or just make the case for why you'd want to be there without mentioning it?


I don't see a reason to wait. Worst case scenario they will tell you to come back after taking the bar.

They likely have all your info in the system already including that you rejected an offer so it's always better to be transparent. Don't know why you rejected but there are legitimate ethical reasons for not accepting a big law offer while you are clerking. Some judges simply won't let you!


That's what I was leaning towards. I turned down the 2L SA offer because I heard that office had a pattern of taking on more summers interested in lit than they have spots and shuttling the rest to transactional groups, so I didn't think the risk was worth it (and it wasn't, because I heard from one of their SAs that that's exactly what happened). I liked the firm and the lit group, so I'm interested in re-applying coming out of a clerkship.

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby BlackAndOrange84 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:07 am

Anonymous User wrote:oh boy, here we go. Probably ASAP. Did you see last year's thread? Depressing. :cry:

Any consensus on the best strategy?


One thing I'd suggest is networking with any former clerks of your judge working at places you might be interested in (assuming you're working for a judge who's been around for at least a few years). Do an informational call/coffee and if things go well you'll have your resume in front of hiring people rather than just going into the general HR pile of clerk applicants. Also, if you're clerking in the market you want to be in, and your judge is ok with it, consider something like joining an inn of court.

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:57 am

BlackAndOrange84 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:oh boy, here we go. Probably ASAP. Did you see last year's thread? Depressing. :cry:

Any consensus on the best strategy?


One thing I'd suggest is networking with any former clerks of your judge working at places you might be interested in (assuming you're working for a judge who's been around for at least a few years). Do an informational call/coffee and if things go well you'll have your resume in front of hiring people rather than just going into the general HR pile of clerk applicants. Also, if you're clerking in the market you want to be in, and your judge is ok with it, consider something like joining an inn of court.


What if you are changing markets? I'm on the east coast and my husband was recently transferred to California.

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby BlackAndOrange84 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:55 am

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Anonymous User wrote:oh boy, here we go. Probably ASAP. Did you see last year's thread? Depressing. :cry:

Any consensus on the best strategy?


One thing I'd suggest is networking with any former clerks of your judge working at places you might be interested in (assuming you're working for a judge who's been around for at least a few years). Do an informational call/coffee and if things go well you'll have your resume in front of hiring people rather than just going into the general HR pile of clerk applicants. Also, if you're clerking in the market you want to be in, and your judge is ok with it, consider something like joining an inn of court.


What if you are changing markets? I'm on the east coast and my husband was recently transferred to California.


Yeah, the inn of court thing wouldn't apply in that situation. Networking with former clerks of your judge still would. Just do phone calls instead of coffee. It's tougher if your judge doesn't have former clerks in the market you're targeting. A thought would be to reach out to former clerks at firms with offices in California. May not be helpful if hiring isn't at least partly centralized, but a former clerk may have worked with someone in the office you're targeting.

Also, normal networking advice applies here, and I think too many clerks don't do this kind of thing, counting on the boost everyone thinks they'll get. Find alums of your law and UG schools at the firms you're targeting, maybe people with similar backgrounds, practice area interests, etc.

So I'm not missing the point, are you just asking about the feasability of interviewing? Most judges are pretty good about letting clerks take the necessary time to travel for interviews, so long as your work is in order.

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:54 am

When do I need to take the bar? I am licensed in NY, but I plan to go to CA after my clerkship. Should I take the February bar? June bar? If I wait till it gets closer, will the firm pay for my bar fees? Does being licensed earlier help get interviews? I am pretty new to the lateral process so I am not sure how to go about it.

Apologies if this should go in another thread.

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Re: 2018-2019 Post-Clerkship Hiring

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:18 am

Anonymous User wrote:When do I need to take the bar? I am licensed in NY, but I plan to go to CA after my clerkship. Should I take the February bar? June bar? If I wait till it gets closer, will the firm pay for my bar fees? Does being licensed earlier help get interviews? I am pretty new to the lateral process so I am not sure how to go about it.

Apologies if this should go in another thread.


Can't answer all your questions, but I can tell you the firm I'm headed to hardly even brought it up, though my resume clearly stated I was licensed in a different jurisdiction. I think I had a discussion with the HR contact shortly after accepting the offer that I'd be expected to take the bar in that office's jurisdiction. Firm couldn't pay for bar application and exam prep fees up front (I think this goes for all fed clerks, but I'm not certain of it), but reimbursement was included in the terms of the offer letter and was promptly paid once I left the clerkship. My sense is that in bigger jurisdictions, nobody will really care in terms of inviting you for interviews.

ETA: To clarify, it wasn't that the firm wouldn't pay up front, but I couldn't accept the payment during the clerkship. As I understand, the only payments you can accept from law firms during a clerkship are customary reimbursements for interviewing (travel, hotel, meals).



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