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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:01 am

He seems like a great guy. His clerks work quite hard.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:15 am

Any updates on McHugh, Bacharach, or Matheson? Have they started interviewing?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby lavarman84 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:30 am

Anonymous User wrote:Any updates on McHugh, Bacharach, or Matheson? Have they started interviewing?


McHugh is done through January 2020.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:33 am

Any thoughts on what it's like to work for McHugh?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Anonymous User wrote:Any thoughts on what it's like to work for McHugh?


She's among the hardest-working judges on the court. I don't know whether that affects her clerks, but I imagine it does.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Anonymous User wrote:Any thoughts on what it's like to work for McHugh?


She's among the hardest-working judges on the court. I don't know whether that affects her clerks, but I imagine it does.


Her clerks work a ton.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:57 pm

I mean to be clear the kind of "hard work" coa clerks do is *fun* hard work. Don't let that scare you off from a particular judge

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:08 am

Any new thoughts on Holmes? He seems like a prolific writer, but I'd like to know how bad his clerks get worked.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:03 am

About as hard as you could imagine

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby ndirish2010 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:32 am

I talked to a Holmes clerk a couple of years ago who had clerked for my district judge first, he said Holmes' reputation for working his clerks extremely hard was well-deserved.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:About as hard as you could imagine


It's true he has a well-deserved reputation for working his clerks hard, but don't imagine for a second it's anything approaching Kozinski-esque levels of work.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:45 pm

How does one demarcate these levels? What's working clerks hard v. Kozinski level working? Does a Holmes clerk work 12 hour days and some weekends and a Kozinski clerk work every waking hour?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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It's true he has a well-deserved reputation for working his clerks hard, but don't imagine for a second it's anything approaching Kozinski-esque levels of work.

Anonymous User wrote:How does one demarcate these levels? What's working clerks hard v. Kozinski level working? Does a Holmes clerk work 12 hour days and some weekends and a Kozinski clerk work every waking hour?

I'd also appreciate some more specific info if anyone is willing.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:58 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:About as hard as you could imagine


It's true he has a well-deserved reputation for working his clerks hard, but don't imagine for a second it's anything approaching Kozinski-esque levels of work.

I don't know what this means, but I stand by my statement, based on having clerked on the circuit and speaking to people who would know

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:25 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:About as hard as you could imagine


It's true he has a well-deserved reputation for working his clerks hard, but don't imagine for a second it's anything approaching Kozinski-esque levels of work.

I don't know what this means, but I stand by my statement, based on having clerked on the circuit and speaking to people who would know


The demands Kozinski makes of his clerks are well known—read his OSCAR posting or search around on the forum here if you aren't aware. Holmes doesn't make demands even approaching those Kozinski makes. For my part, I'm not willing to be more specific about what I know or how I know it. If you want more specifics, I strongly suggest you reach out to former Holmes clerks.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:27 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:About as hard as you could imagine


It's true he has a well-deserved reputation for working his clerks hard, but don't imagine for a second it's anything approaching Kozinski-esque levels of work.

I don't know what this means, but I stand by my statement, based on having clerked on the circuit and speaking to people who would know


The demands Kozinski makes of his clerks are well known—read his OSCAR posting or search around on the forum here if you aren't aware. Holmes doesn't make demands even approaching those Kozinski makes. For my part, I'm not willing to be more specific about what I know or how I know it. If you want more specifics, I strongly suggest you reach out to former Holmes clerks.

Planning to do that. Thanks.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:30 am

Has Tymkovich or Hartz started interviewing for 19-20? Anything important to know about what they're looking for/what qualifications they prefer (e.g. Local ties or alum candidates etc.)

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Anonymous User wrote:Has Tymkovich or Hartz started interviewing for 19-20? Anything important to know about what they're looking for/what qualifications they prefer (e.g. Local ties or alum candidates etc.)


I interviewed with Tymkovich this time last year for 18-19 so it wouldn't surprise me if he's started for 19-20, although he took a very long time after interviewing me to complete hiring for 18-19 (I didn't get an offer). He hires both straight-through and alumni clerks from the standard top schools, particularly HLS, and also from the local Colorado law schools (he's a CU alum and I know he's hired from DU before as well). Ties to Colorado don't otherwise seem to be important.

Tymkovich is a quite conservative judge but some of the past clerks I spoke to were liberals. I don't know how intentional he is about ideology when hiring.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:02 am

Anonymous User wrote:Any new thoughts on Holmes? He seems like a prolific writer, but I'd like to know how bad his clerks get worked.


Is Holmes hiring right now? Heard from a classmate who had applied that he was done hiring through 2019-2020 and OSCAR seems to confirm this--no openings, as far as I can tell. Does this mean some COA judges are looking at 2020-2021 already (beyond what OSCAR seems to indicate)?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

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Anonymous User wrote:Any new thoughts on Holmes? He seems like a prolific writer, but I'd like to know how bad his clerks get worked.


Is Holmes hiring right now? Heard from a classmate who had applied that he was done hiring through 2019-2020 and OSCAR seems to confirm this--no openings, as far as I can tell. Does this mean some COA judges are looking at 2020-2021 already (beyond what OSCAR seems to indicate)?

I'm pretty sure he's full for 2019. I know he's hired at least two. Don't know if he's considering 2020 yet.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:18 am

Anyone heard from Briscoe? Is she still interviewing for 2018-2019? If so, how many spots does she have available?

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:03 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Any new thoughts on Holmes? He seems like a prolific writer, but I'd like to know how bad his clerks get worked.


Is Holmes hiring right now? Heard from a classmate who had applied that he was done hiring through 2019-2020 and OSCAR seems to confirm this--no openings, as far as I can tell. Does this mean some COA judges are looking at 2020-2021 already (beyond what OSCAR seems to indicate)?

I'm pretty sure he's full for 2019. I know he's hired at least two. Don't know if he's considering 2020 yet.


Just curious -- where can we find out this kind of information? Or is this only the type of stuff that's heard through the grapevine? I'm admittedly new to this process (although I've read through all of TLS's super helpful clerkship threads) so perhaps I'm just missing something on OSCAR or elsewhere.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby mjb447 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:20 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Any new thoughts on Holmes? He seems like a prolific writer, but I'd like to know how bad his clerks get worked.


Is Holmes hiring right now? Heard from a classmate who had applied that he was done hiring through 2019-2020 and OSCAR seems to confirm this--no openings, as far as I can tell. Does this mean some COA judges are looking at 2020-2021 already (beyond what OSCAR seems to indicate)?

I'm pretty sure he's full for 2019. I know he's hired at least two. Don't know if he's considering 2020 yet.


Just curious -- where can we find out this kind of information? Or is this only the type of stuff that's heard through the grapevine? I'm admittedly new to this process (although I've read through all of TLS's super helpful clerkship threads) so perhaps I'm just missing something on OSCAR or elsewhere.

Varies. Sometimes an individual applicant or a law school that distributes info to students has called chambers to ask. Other times it might be a former, current, or future clerk with some kind of inside info. Some judges let rejected applicants know in their rejection letter: "I have completed hiring for [term]. I regret that I was unable to select you. Good luck in your future endeavors." A few judges post openings for all their positions on OSCAR, i.e. three or four spots for a single term: once all those are displaying as "filled" a judge is probably done hiring for that term.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:20 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Any new thoughts on Holmes? He seems like a prolific writer, but I'd like to know how bad his clerks get worked.


Is Holmes hiring right now? Heard from a classmate who had applied that he was done hiring through 2019-2020 and OSCAR seems to confirm this--no openings, as far as I can tell. Does this mean some COA judges are looking at 2020-2021 already (beyond what OSCAR seems to indicate)?

I'm pretty sure he's full for 2019. I know he's hired at least two. Don't know if he's considering 2020 yet.


Just curious -- where can we find out this kind of information? Or is this only the type of stuff that's heard through the grapevine? I'm admittedly new to this process (although I've read through all of TLS's super helpful clerkship threads) so perhaps I'm just missing something on OSCAR or elsewhere.

Varies. Sometimes an individual applicant or a law school that distributes info to students has called chambers to ask. Other times it might be a former, current, or future clerk with some kind of inside info. Some judges let rejected applicants know in their rejection letter: "I have completed hiring for [term]. I regret that I was unable to select you. Good luck in your future endeavors." A few judges post openings for all their positions on OSCAR, i.e. three or four spots for a single term: once all those are displaying as "filled" a judge is probably done hiring for that term.


Makes sense. Thanks so much.

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Re: Let's Talk 10th Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone heard from Briscoe? Is she still interviewing for 2018-2019? If so, how many spots does she have available?


Briscoe is done for 2018-2019.



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