Does Order of the Coif Matter?

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Worth taking an extra GPA class to get Order of the Coif if you already have summ locked down?

Nah, use your last semester for what you want.
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Yes, coif matters, especially at a low-ranked school.
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As a 3L, why do you even care about this?
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Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby 265489164158 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:36 pm

This may seem like a stupid question, but I am deciding what to register for in my last semester of law school, I realized that I will come up just shy of the minimum number of gpa units to receive order of the coif at my school. (I did some writing classes that were graded, but oddly not gpa, as well as some experiential learning). My plan for last semester was to do a clinic (ungraded, so it wouldn't count) and only take one bar class. Coif would likely require one more 4-unit class. So, would order of the coif matter, or, is it just a signal that a student was in top 10%, which graduating highly ranked and summa cum laude would also accomplish?

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby BrainsyK » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:38 pm

Do you have a job that you want lined up?

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby 265489164158 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:44 pm

BrainsyK wrote:Do you have a job that you want lined up?


Already have a job.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby toast and bananas » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:44 pm

BrainsyK wrote:Do you have a job that you want lined up?


In his poll it says he has an SA. I don't think your career outlook will be affected by coif. There are ~100 people in my group/office and I couldn't tell you a single person that was on law review, coifed, summa cum whatever or anything. Granted, this is in corp i have no idea what litigation people care about or do on a daily basis.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby QContinuum » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:54 pm

toast and bananas wrote:
BrainsyK wrote:Do you have a job that you want lined up?


In his poll it says he has an SA. I don't think your career outlook will be affected by coif. There are ~100 people in my group/office and I couldn't tell you a single person that was on law review, coifed, summa cum whatever or anything. Granted, this is in corp i have no idea what litigation people care about or do on a daily basis.


No, it says he has "summ" locked down, which I assume means summa cum laude. Summa's generally harder to get than Order of the Coif, but it appears he would be eligible for summa but not Coif because of credit-hour requirements for the latter.

My take, if OP can get summa, no need to also shoot for Coif. Coif doesn't add any additional value over summa, as both are exclusively grades-based honors (unlike Law Review).

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby TheBlueDevil » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:38 pm

Since everyone knows that Coif = top 10%, if you can exceed that by graduating summa, why not just note that you graduated summa on your resume/profile and indicate its meaning in parentheses to remove any uncertainty:

summa cum laude (top X in class)

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby paradiselost9 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:29 pm

Isn't silly some schools honor you but don't publish its meaning? HLS is clear about it. All schools should be IMO.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby QContinuum » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:27 pm

paradiselost9 wrote:Isn't silly some schools honor you but don't publish its meaning? HLS is clear about it. All schools should be IMO.


Not sure what you mean by a school not "publish[ing] its meaning"? AFAIK, all schools publish the criteria for their academic honors, whether it's cum laude/magna/summa or some other award.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby BulletTooth » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:11 pm

I think OP is in weird position. He/she can graduate summa cum laude, which probably requires a GPA that would put you in the top 10%. But OP's school requires that you take a certain number of credits in order to get order of the coif. So OP could hypothetically graduate summa, but not graduate order of the coif, even though OP's GPA would be enough to get order of the coif.

IMO if you're going to graduate summa, it doesn't matter if you get order of the coif. People will look at your GPA and see you graduated summa, and they likely wont even realize that you didn't have enough credits to order of the coif.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby QContinuum » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:50 pm

BulletTooth wrote:I think OP is in weird position. He/she can graduate summa cum laude, which probably requires a GPA that would put you in the top 10%. But OP's school requires that you take a certain number of credits in order to get order of the coif. So OP could hypothetically graduate summa, but not graduate order of the coif, even though OP's GPA would be enough to get order of the coif.

IMO if you're going to graduate summa, it doesn't matter if you get order of the coif. People will look at your GPA and see you graduated summa, and they likely wont even realize that you didn't have enough credits to order of the coif.


Yea they'll probably just assume that OP's school doesn't participate in Coif.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby paradiselost9 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:29 pm

QContinuum wrote:
paradiselost9 wrote:Isn't silly some schools honor you but don't publish its meaning? HLS is clear about it. All schools should be IMO.


Not sure what you mean by a school not "publish[ing] its meaning"? AFAIK, all schools publish the criteria for their academic honors, whether it's cum laude/magna/summa or some other award.

I don't think Penn does, but I'm open to eating my words.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby legalace » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:38 pm

I don't think Penn does, but I'm open to eating my words.


Penn does. All of the top schools do so except for Colombia and Yale:
http://orderofthecoif.org/member-schools/

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby hlsperson1111 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:50 pm

legalace wrote:
I don't think Penn does, but I'm open to eating my words.


Penn does. All of the top schools do so except for Colombia and Yale:
http://orderofthecoif.org/member-schools/


HLS does not.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby QContinuum » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:50 am

There's a smattering of T1 law schools that don't participate: BU, Notre Dame, GMU. And I think a lot of T2 and down schools don't have Coif.

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Re: Does Order of the Coif Matter?

Postby paradiselost9 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:31 pm

legalace wrote:
I don't think Penn does, but I'm open to eating my words.


Penn does. All of the top schools do so except for Colombia and Yale:
http://orderofthecoif.org/member-schools/


Sorry, I was referring to Latin honors and the lack of publishing of the meaning of GPA distinctions in Latin honors.

Why would it matter if there was a confusion about the meaning of Order of the Coif or Penn publishing the meaning, when the meaning is determined and published outside of Penn and is the same for all schools?

The common sense argument aside, had you mulled over a little longer the context of my quote, which you actively cut out and thus must have seen, you perhaps would have avoided the misreading.



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