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Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:09 am
by lawschoold0uche
How would you approach a transgender issue on a con law exam? Federal/state law banning transgenders from using the bathroom.

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:20 am
by CLS2L
On one hand, make arguments based on feelings. Rebut with bible scripture and other religious texts. Done

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:21 am
by criminaltheory
From using the bathroom ever?

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:26 am
by Nebby
Equal protection analysis a la Romer v. Evans.

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:36 am
by pancakes3
did your prof write this question for your take-home?

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:00 pm
by Teoeo
Can't you just look up some of the most recent appellate cases in this area and look at the briefs filed by both sides?

edit: didn't see it was con-law, deleted Title VII / Title IX analysis.

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:50 pm
by 2807
Nebby wrote:Equal protection analysis a la Romer v. Evans.
If arguing discrimination based on sex, which sex does the plaintiff claim when making the argument ?
Does the plaintiff-male say he is a female that cannot use the female restroom?
That seems a bit conclusionary.

So, one will have to prove they are the victimized-gender prior to then pleading maltreatment.

How exactly does one prove that?

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:53 pm
by A. Nony Mouse
2807 wrote:
Nebby wrote:Equal protection analysis a la Romer v. Evans.
If arguing discrimination based on sex, which sex does the plaintiff claim when making the argument ?
Does the plaintiff-male say he is a female that cannot use the female restroom?
That seems a bit conclusionary.

So, one will have to prove they are the victimized-gender prior to then pleading maltreatment.

How exactly does one prove that?
I’m not sure this is going to be a productive discussion bc it seems to be getting to the validity of the argument and we don’t need to go there in the on-topics.

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:38 pm
by NoDayButToday
I would try to approach is as a discrimination based on gender issue -> intermediate scrutiny / EP

Also, wasn't there a federal district court or appeals court that recently decided (like, last 2 weeks) that discrimination based on sexual orientation was gender-based discrimination? Because if so, I feel like you have a pretty good arg for extending that analysis to trans issues.

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:40 pm
by Nebby
2807 wrote:
Nebby wrote:Equal protection analysis a la Romer v. Evans.
If arguing discrimination based on sex, which sex does the plaintiff claim when making the argument ?
Does the plaintiff-male say he is a female that cannot use the female restroom?
That seems a bit conclusionary.

So, one will have to prove they are the victimized-gender prior to then pleading maltreatment.

How exactly does one prove that?
I don't know. Romer v. Evans wasn't about sex-based discrimination, and the argument against transgender bathroom bans relying on Romer wouldn't be either.

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:51 pm
by lawschoold0uche
pancakes3 wrote:did your prof write this question for your take-home?

No, just predicting a question on an upcoming exam because it has been such a hot topic.

I think that trying to fit it into gender discrimination would be a good route to go. But what about trying to fit it into the personal autonomy analysis in Obergefell?

Re: Transgender Bathroom Issue -- Con Law

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:54 pm
by pancakes3
lawschoold0uche wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:did your prof write this question for your take-home?

No, just predicting a question on an upcoming exam because it has been such a hot topic.

I think that trying to fit it into gender discrimination would be a good route to go. But what about trying to fit it into the personal autonomy analysis in Obergefell?
i'm far from a con law scholar but public restroom isn't the privacy/substantive due process stuff. equal protection is more on point.