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Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:20 am
by North
Why did I take this? Too late to bail. Anybody else?

Let's do Fed Courts ITT over the next month or so and see if we can't all get at least median in this gunner snake pit of a class.

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Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:28 am
by 06102016
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Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:32 am
by North
slackademic wrote:lol at you for jumping into the gunner snake pit, though.

Yeah p much the only thing I'm above median at is hating myself

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:36 am
by North
As everyone checks in, let's ease into the thread by posting about how STACKED against us our classes are. E.g.:

I've got the dude with the highest gpa in the school for two years running in mine

Plus a very substantial number of LR kids with two generations represented

and the prof is a gunner attracting professor who all of these nerds would LOVE a LOR from describing their A minus to Whichever COA Judge It May Concern:

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:41 am
by KD35
North wrote:As everyone checks in, let's ease into the thread by posting about how STACKED against us our classes are. E.g.:

I've got the dude with the highest gpa in the school for two years running in mine

Plus a very substantial number of LR kids with two generations represented

and the prof is a gunner attracting professor who all of these nerds would LOVE a LOR from describing their A minus to Whichever COA Judge It May Concern:


North, aren't you a 2L? Why would you ever take it during 2L?

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:48 am
by North
North to self while registering for classes every single time: "You're at this fancy school and paying full freight so you should probably take real classes with the best professors. Don't be a lazy fuck. You already didn't learn anything in UG. And you're going to read for every class and start outlining earlier next semester anyway, remember. It'll be a breeze."

-----> 2L lineup: [parade of gunner classes]

(don't quote i guess, probably outing)

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:49 am
by shifty_eyed
slackademic wrote:lol at you for jumping into the gunner snake pit

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:15 am
by lhanvt13
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Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:16 am
by FKASunny
I almost signed up for this next semester because I liked civ pro and like the professor. Very happy with my decision not to

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:23 am
by B.B. Homemaker
North wrote:
slackademic wrote:lol at you for jumping into the gunner snake pit, though.

Yeah p much the only thing I'm above median at is hating myself

+1

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:58 am
by TheoO
1L here, but what in particular makes this class so tough? Is it just the gunnerdom? Or is actually difficult? Do you learn a lot of rules?

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:17 am
by jbagelboy
TheoO wrote:1L here, but what in particular makes this class so tough? Is it just the gunnerdom? Or is actually difficult? Do you learn a lot of rules?


From what I can tell from my friends and acquaintances in the class, its a huge gunner pull and its a shitload of work. To all of you ITT I simply ask: What possessed you?

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:33 am
by North
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Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:35 am
by fats provolone
yea you seem to really hate it bro

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:17 am
by TheoO
Ok, shit... I actually considered the idea of taking it 3L, but that sounds absolutely awful

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:34 am
by North

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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:38 am
by sublime
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Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:44 am
by North
sublime wrote:Yea, I was going to take it 3L but am definitely having second thoughts.


Does it at least seem useful for firm lit?

All the federal jurisdiction stuff seems like it would actually be pretty useful in actual practice, especially in combination with a class like Conflict of Laws. But some stuff is plainly pretty useless for lit at a firm, like the 7 full classes I'm working through right now on Habeas Corpus doctrine. For a district court clerkship, though, 100% of the class seems on point with regard to usefulness. Of course, I haven't done any of that yet to confirm, but yeah this seems like one of the less bull shitty classes out there.

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:59 pm
by olive16
Yes. Jeffries is, indeed, a superstar.

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:09 pm
by North
olive16 wrote:Yes. Jeffries is, indeed, a superstar.

No joke, he's probably the best professor I've ever had. The lectures are 100% on point, he's clearly a genius, and it's so nice not to have the socratic time wasting that you get in every other class

That's led to a ridiculous amount of material that I'm having to cram right now though, so there's a con

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:34 pm
by Royalduck
So... has anyone been able to find any good model answers? The E&E is all I got.

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:35 pm
by Royalduck
I need something that explains the point of federal courts though. Not issue-spotter style. Like why does the law change a million times and why do we have to learn the old rules? I can't figure out how to explain this more than the one sentence "it depends on politics and who was on the court."

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:40 pm
by utahraptor
Royalduck wrote:I need something that explains the point of federal courts though. Not issue-spotter style. Like why does the law change a million times and why do we have to learn the old rules? I can't figure out how to explain this more than the one sentence "it depends on politics and who was on the court."


You seem kinda doomed, dude.

Federal Courts classes are generally about many things, but focus on who should have access to the Federal Courts (standing), what the basis for a federal right of action is (case and controversy), the law to be applied, federal common law, jurisdictional issues, suits challenging official action, and judicial federalism/abstention.

Godspeed, bro.

ETA: if you like law school, you'll probably like fed courts. I don't think it is useful, but you can have a good time.

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:43 pm
by FSK
And I thought the evidence/admin wombo combo was bad. Dodged this disaster.

Re: Fed Courts Thread

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:15 pm
by stig2014
Sorry to revive this thread, but does anyone happen to have a flowchart for habeas corpus? If not, any suggestions on making one? AEDPA is a disaster and I'm having a hard time fitting it all together. Thanks!