I took the bar in 08' and studied a lot. Got a 162ish I believe. By far the highest of anyone I spoke with, but I attended a TTTT law school, so yeah..kellyfrost wrote:What is the highest MBE score that you know of personally and that you can verify? i.e., your score, saw some friends score, ect?BVest wrote:Well, everything is scaled to MBE, so take a look at these MBE stats: http://www.ncbex.org/publications/stati ... tatistics/ultimolugar wrote:So, how would this theory work out in FL? 272 to pass, 50% MBE.
A 105 is ~2nd percentile. A 165 is ~90th percentile. In a state with a 270 pass score and 50% MBE, if you can get a 165 MBE, you only need to be 2nd percentile or better on the rest of the exam. If you can get a 155 MBE (73rd percentile), you only need to be 7th percentile or better (115) on the rest of the exam.
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Nice! Were you ranked #1 at this TTTT?reasonable_man wrote:I took the bar in 08' and studied a lot. Got a 162ish I believe. By far the highest of anyone I spoke with, but I attended a TTTT law school, so yeah..kellyfrost wrote:What is the highest MBE score that you know of personally and that you can verify? i.e., your score, saw some friends score, ect?BVest wrote:Well, everything is scaled to MBE, so take a look at these MBE stats: http://www.ncbex.org/publications/stati ... tatistics/ultimolugar wrote:So, how would this theory work out in FL? 272 to pass, 50% MBE.
A 105 is ~2nd percentile. A 165 is ~90th percentile. In a state with a 270 pass score and 50% MBE, if you can get a 165 MBE, you only need to be 2nd percentile or better on the rest of the exam. If you can get a 155 MBE (73rd percentile), you only need to be 7th percentile or better (115) on the rest of the exam.
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people ask you about your score, right? its not you going around telling peoplereasonable_man wrote:I took the bar in 08' and studied a lot. Got a 162ish I believe. By far the highest of anyone I spoke with, but I attended a TTTT law school, so yeah..kellyfrost wrote:What is the highest MBE score that you know of personally and that you can verify? i.e., your score, saw some friends score, ect?BVest wrote:Well, everything is scaled to MBE, so take a look at these MBE stats: http://www.ncbex.org/publications/stati ... tatistics/ultimolugar wrote:So, how would this theory work out in FL? 272 to pass, 50% MBE.
A 105 is ~2nd percentile. A 165 is ~90th percentile. In a state with a 270 pass score and 50% MBE, if you can get a 165 MBE, you only need to be 2nd percentile or better on the rest of the exam. If you can get a 155 MBE (73rd percentile), you only need to be 7th percentile or better (115) on the rest of the exam.
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I actually had it printed on a t-shirt along with the relevant statistic concerning my salary and penis size (i.e. shape, length and girth).mvp99 wrote:people ask you about your score, right? its not you going around telling peoplereasonable_man wrote:I took the bar in 08' and studied a lot. Got a 162ish I believe. By far the highest of anyone I spoke with, but I attended a TTTT law school, so yeah..kellyfrost wrote:What is the highest MBE score that you know of personally and that you can verify? i.e., your score, saw some friends score, ect?BVest wrote:Well, everything is scaled to MBE, so take a look at these MBE stats: http://www.ncbex.org/publications/stati ... tatistics/ultimolugar wrote:So, how would this theory work out in FL? 272 to pass, 50% MBE.
A 105 is ~2nd percentile. A 165 is ~90th percentile. In a state with a 270 pass score and 50% MBE, if you can get a 165 MBE, you only need to be 2nd percentile or better on the rest of the exam. If you can get a 155 MBE (73rd percentile), you only need to be 7th percentile or better (115) on the rest of the exam.
Seriously though, I probably discussed it with a few other people I studied with on a regular basis for law school exams because we always compared notes about results after finals. I don't recall discussing it much at all to be honest.
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Nah. Probably top 15 or 20 percent... Not even on law review. I spent all of my time lining up a job and worked for that firm through the year my third-year and over my first two summers. I also worked for another small firm during law school. I knew (even back in 2005 when I started law school), that my only shot at getting a job from a TTTT was to have "good" grades with a lot of experience and to work my way into a firm early.kellyfrost wrote:Nice! Were you ranked #1 at this TTTT?reasonable_man wrote:I took the bar in 08' and studied a lot. Got a 162ish I believe. By far the highest of anyone I spoke with, but I attended a TTTT law school, so yeah..kellyfrost wrote:What is the highest MBE score that you know of personally and that you can verify? i.e., your score, saw some friends score, ect?BVest wrote:Well, everything is scaled to MBE, so take a look at these MBE stats: http://www.ncbex.org/publications/stati ... tatistics/ultimolugar wrote:So, how would this theory work out in FL? 272 to pass, 50% MBE.
A 105 is ~2nd percentile. A 165 is ~90th percentile. In a state with a 270 pass score and 50% MBE, if you can get a 165 MBE, you only need to be 2nd percentile or better on the rest of the exam. If you can get a 155 MBE (73rd percentile), you only need to be 7th percentile or better (115) on the rest of the exam.
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What's the new auto pass number for the IL exam now? Passing is 266.
MBE 50% / MEE/IEE 40% / MPT 10%
MBE 50% / MEE/IEE 40% / MPT 10%
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Is there anyone who can make an educated guess as to what a California "auto-pass" MBE scaled score would be? I was at 140 on the BarBri Simulated MBE, and am trying to gauge how much progress I need to make on MBE/essays/CPT.
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~152. Though I bet nobody actually fails with a score of 150Eldon Tyrell wrote:What's the new auto pass number for the IL exam now? Passing is 266.
MBE 50% / MEE/IEE 40% / MPT 10%
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Since CA weights the MBE so little and has such a high minimum pass rate, there pretty much isn't such a "auto-pass." You need a 144 on the MBE just to be "on pace" to pass CA.FlowBro wrote:Is there anyone who can make an educated guess as to what a California "auto-pass" MBE scaled score would be? I was at 140 on the BarBri Simulated MBE, and am trying to gauge how much progress I need to make on MBE/essays/CPT.
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So for Indiana where the MBE is 50%, MPT is 20%, and Essays are 30%. And a passing score is 264, what would be an auto pass score roughly? Thanks
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Dang 50% MBE and 20% MPT is nuts.
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150hauki90 wrote:So for Indiana where the MBE is 50%, MPT is 20%, and Essays are 30%. And a passing score is 264, what would be an auto pass score roughly? Thanks
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More CA BS hahaDesert Fox wrote:Since CA weights the MBE so little and has such a high minimum pass rate, there pretty much isn't such a "auto-pass." You need a 144 on the MBE just to be "on pace" to pass CA.FlowBro wrote:Is there anyone who can make an educated guess as to what a California "auto-pass" MBE scaled score would be? I was at 140 on the BarBri Simulated MBE, and am trying to gauge how much progress I need to make on MBE/essays/CPT.
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Man Fuck Maryland - MBE's are 1/3 of the grade and essays (including MPT) are 2/3.
Maryland why do you think your laws are so great or important
Maryland why do you think your laws are so great or important
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This is basically right. You could get like a 190, but you would still need to get 65s on the PTs.Desert Fox wrote:Since CA weights the MBE so little and has such a high minimum pass rate, there pretty much isn't such a "auto-pass." You need a 144 on the MBE just to be "on pace" to pass CA.FlowBro wrote:Is there anyone who can make an educated guess as to what a California "auto-pass" MBE scaled score would be? I was at 140 on the BarBri Simulated MBE, and am trying to gauge how much progress I need to make on MBE/essays/CPT.
Thanks
You really need a more comprehensive approach to CA, but it still doesn't require you studying everything. If you do well on the MBE, e.g., 165, and do well on the PTs (1 65 and 1 70), you could get by with only 2 passing essay grades. The risk is that it's not certain which topics are going to show up on the essays.
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I'm sorry if I missed it, but does anyone have data on the scaled MEE or MPT score percentile ranks in jurisdictions other than Illinois?
A scaled 150 on the MBE plus a scaled 116 on the MEE and MPT combined would've passed someone in Illinois or, say, New York. But I've yet to confirm that a scaled 116 on the MEE and MPT portions of the UBE outside of Illinois would be as low a bar as it is in Illinois (in which, apparently, approximately only the bottom 10%--may God bless them-- does not achieve a 116 on that half of the test).
Also, any information on the actual raw scores on the MEE and MPT that scale to 116, and how they are calculated (a matter of grading), would be helpful. It appears that at least some states don't make this information available.
Thanks, and bless you all in your studies!
A scaled 150 on the MBE plus a scaled 116 on the MEE and MPT combined would've passed someone in Illinois or, say, New York. But I've yet to confirm that a scaled 116 on the MEE and MPT portions of the UBE outside of Illinois would be as low a bar as it is in Illinois (in which, apparently, approximately only the bottom 10%--may God bless them-- does not achieve a 116 on that half of the test).
Also, any information on the actual raw scores on the MEE and MPT that scale to 116, and how they are calculated (a matter of grading), would be helpful. It appears that at least some states don't make this information available.
Thanks, and bless you all in your studies!
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MPT is the easiest section in every state. it's actually a misconception that a higher MPT% of the test makes it harder for the MBE=Auto Pass. It's jsut the reverse.Capitol_Idea wrote:Man Fuck Maryland - MBE's are 1/3 of the grade and essays (including MPT) are 2/3.
Maryland why do you think your laws are so great or important
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Sure MPT is easy but MD counts MPT as worth 1.5 MD essays in terms of points. And there are 10 MD essays.JohannDeMann wrote:MPT is the easiest section in every state. it's actually a misconception that a higher MPT% of the test makes it harder for the MBE=Auto Pass. It's jsut the reverse.Capitol_Idea wrote:Man Fuck Maryland - MBE's are 1/3 of the grade and essays (including MPT) are 2/3.
Maryland why do you think your laws are so great or important
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sorry. to clarify. the important ratio is always MBE%/Essay Percentage (not including MPT). if that is in the 1 to 1 range, a 65% MBE raw score is gold.
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I'm so jelly at this distribution. Fuck essayshauki90 wrote:So for Indiana where the MBE is 50%, MPT is 20%, and Essays are 30%. And a passing score is 264, what would be an auto pass score roughly? Thanks
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So in NY, where it's 50% UBE, 30% essays, 20% MPT, it's even lower than 65% raw score mbe for an autopass?JohannDeMann wrote:sorry. to clarify. the important ratio is always MBE%/Essay Percentage (not including MPT). if that is in the 1 to 1 range, a 65% MBE raw score is gold.
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when i dug all the data up years ago, pennsylvania had the most transparent data. a scaled 150 is roughly 132 raw right. the curve/gross up is larger around 100 raw (21ish points) and smaller at the highend of 150 right (15ish points).LexLeon wrote:I'm sorry if I missed it, but does anyone have data on the scaled MEE or MPT score percentile ranks in jurisdictions other than Illinois?
A scaled 150 on the MBE plus a scaled 116 on the MEE and MPT combined would've passed someone in Illinois or, say, New York. But I've yet to confirm that a scaled 116 on the MEE and MPT portions of the UBE outside of Illinois would be as low a bar as it is in Illinois (in which, apparently, approximately only the bottom 10%--may God bless them-- does not achieve a 116 on that half of the test).
Also, any information on the actual raw scores on the MEE and MPT that scale to 116, and how they are calculated (a matter of grading), would be helpful. It appears that at least some states don't make this information available.
Thanks, and bless you all in your studies!
every state has a set number of points needed to pass cumulatively. what state are you wondering about?
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This depends how good you are at MPT. A lot of people assume MPT is easier for top law school grads, and it's probably true. But I blew off the MPT practice and sort of regretted it. I definitely didn't pace myself correctly and made a mess of my MPT. I still passed cause I had dat 150MBE.WheatThins wrote:So in NY, where it's 50% UBE, 30% essays, 20% MPT, it's even lower than 65% raw score mbe for an autopass?JohannDeMann wrote:sorry. to clarify. the important ratio is always MBE%/Essay Percentage (not including MPT). if that is in the 1 to 1 range, a 65% MBE raw score is gold.
But even in NYC 50% MBE, you only need a 150 to AUTO PASS. Even if you suck at MPT.
If I had to take the NYC bar, I'd only study MBE and do 2-3 MPT practice tests. Wouldn't do any essay only subject preping.
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i think if you can get a 150+ MBE you have prob absorbed enough legal knowledge to shit out passable responses on most of the essays
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That's what I'm hopingbern victim wrote:i think if you can get a 150+ MBE you have prob absorbed enough legal knowledge to shit out passable responses on most of the essays
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