Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby redsox550 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:22 pm

Can someone check my math and numbers:

50% mbe
50% FL

FL section made up of 50% MC 50% essays - FL MC = 25% of test and FL essays = 25% of test

3 essays make up essay portion
25%/3 = 8.33 = each essay is worth 8.333% of test

now the tricky part:
- each essay scored out of 100 points. a Great score is 50, a not bottom 10% score but bad score is lets say 30 points.
- thus if you screw up one essay, but not super horrendously u are only sacrificing at most 20 points on one essay. One essay is 8.333%. 20 points is 1/5 of one essay score. 1/5th of 8.3333% is 1.666%.

Thus the difference between a great essay and a pretty bad one is just 1.666% of the test.

Whered I go wrong?

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby crumb cake » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:17 am

I'm using the pure UBE score estimator that has been floating around (50% MBE / 20% MPT / 30% MEE).

I get that if I do alright on the MBE and MPT that I can score in the ~3%ile on MEE and still pass. My question is: How bad is a bottom 3% MEE (roughly a 65 proportional scaled score on the section)? Are we talking multiple blank essay answers here?

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby robyn0422 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:19 am

Does anyone know why the mean MBE score is always higher in July than in February?

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby anon sequitur » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:02 am

crumb cake wrote:I get that if I do alright on the MBE and MPT that I can score in the ~3%ile on MEE and still pass. My question is: How bad is a bottom 3% MEE (roughly a 65 proportional scaled score on the section)? Are we talking multiple blank essay answers here?


No one can give you a definitive answer here, but bottom 5-10% performance on any standardized test is catastrophic, and probably indicates a failure to complete significant portions of the test. For example, a 10th percentile score on the LSAT is a 138. If you were a 160 scorer on the LSAT, you could have scored a 138 just by finishing the first two sections and then leaving. If you had done the first 12 or so questions normally and then just guessed randomly on every other one, you'd get about a 3rd percentile score. You have to be drunk or just give up to score that low.

Remember, the whole point of this thread is that it's really, really easy to get a not-terrible score on the essays, which is why you can pretty much guarantee passing with a strong MBE score. On the other hand, I think it's probably really damn hard to get a great score on the essays. So focus on the MBE.

robyn0422 wrote:Does anyone know why the mean MBE score is always higher in July than in February?

February has a higher percentage of people who failed previous tests.

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby heythatslife » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:05 am

robyn0422 wrote:Does anyone know why the mean MBE score is always higher in July than in February?

I would surmise it's because Feb takers contain a higher % of retakers.

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby robyn0422 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:01 am

First, thank you for this thread. I am consistently averaging raw scores of 65-75% (72% on simulated MBE) on Barbri MBE practice tests. Any way to predict my approximate scaled MBE score, and what % I will need to be within for the MEE/MPT in a jurisdiction that weighs MBE at 50% and MBE/MPT 50%.

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby BVest » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:55 am

anon sequitur wrote:
robyn0422 wrote:Does anyone know why the mean MBE score is always higher in July than in February?

February has a higher percentage of people who failed previous tests.


For example, in July 2016, 80% of Texas examinees were first-time takers; in February 2017, only 49% were first time takers.

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby dusters » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:16 pm

So I see the bottom 1% of MEE still score above 100. I got a 166 on the MBE, if I just left all the essays blank would I have still gotten my required 266? Do you just get like 100 points automatically for the essays?

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Postby BlendedUnicorn » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:38 am

dusters wrote:So I see the bottom 1% of MEE still score above 100. I got a 166 on the MBE, if I just left all the essays blank would I have still gotten my required 266? Do you just get like 100 points automatically for the essays?


Nobody knows where the floor is here. It's very possible that a hugely bad faith effort like that would ruin the autopass method.

Just checking in to say that I largely followed the logic of this thread and devoted about 85% of my study time to the MBE subjects for the Illinois test and it worked. Il doesn't give the score breakdown so I have no idea how close I was but I had literally no idea what to write on several of the essays and just ended up making up law. So trust the process and don't give the essay material more time than they deserve.




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