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Pato_09 wrote:Will a C (as a 2L) blow your chances for big firm permanent offer?

Pato_09 wrote:Will a C (as a 2L) blow your chances for big firm permanent offer?

thesealocust wrote:The reason for this is that your grades are what define you as a person. They are like talismanic sources of your intelligence, drive, work ethic, and charisma. If they falter, you falter. Without a properly impressive transcript backing you up, no client will take you seriously. No judge will listen to your arguments.

You aren't anything but your grades. It would be preposterous for a firm to consider extending employment to somebody so worthless as a human being as to allow themselves to be marred with a C.

thesealocust wrote:

Pato_09 wrote:Will a C (as a 2L) blow your chances for big firm permanent offer?

Of course it will. Everyone who gets a C 2L year has their offer revoked. If you get it in the fall you can't even spend the summer at the firm. There's a nationwide clearinghouse for grades to make sure it gets spotted as quickly as possible. A few firms will even fire you mid-summer if spring grades come out and one of them was a C.

The reason for this is that your grades are what define you as a person. They are like talismanic sources of your intelligence, drive, work ethic, and charisma. If they falter, you falter. Without a properly impressive transcript backing you up, no client will take you seriously. No judge will listen to your arguments.

You aren't anything but your grades. It would be preposterous for a firm to consider extending employment to somebody so worthless as a human being as to allow themselves to be marred with a C.

thesealocust wrote:

Pato_09 wrote:Will a C (as a 2L) blow your chances for big firm permanent offer?

Of course it will. Everyone who gets a C 2L year has their offer revoked. If you get it in the fall you can't even spend the summer at the firm. There's a nationwide clearinghouse for grades to make sure it gets spotted as quickly as possible. A few firms will even fire you mid-summer if spring grades come out and one of them was a C.

The reason for this is that your grades are what define you as a person. They are like talismanic sources of your intelligence, drive, work ethic, and charisma. If they falter, you falter. Without a properly impressive transcript backing you up, no client will take you seriously. No judge will listen to your arguments.

You aren't anything but your grades. It would be preposterous for a firm to consider extending employment to somebody so worthless as a human being as to allow themselves to be marred with a C.

deebs wrote:

thesealocust wrote:

Pato_09 wrote:Will a C (as a 2L) blow your chances for big firm permanent offer?

Of course it will. Everyone who gets a C 2L year has their offer revoked. If you get it in the fall you can't even spend the summer at the firm. There's a nationwide clearinghouse for grades to make sure it gets spotted as quickly as possible. A few firms will even fire you mid-summer if spring grades come out and one of them was a C.

The reason for this is that your grades are what define you as a person. They are like talismanic sources of your intelligence, drive, work ethic, and charisma. If they falter, you falter. Without a properly impressive transcript backing you up, no client will take you seriously. No judge will listen to your arguments.

You aren't anything but your grades. It would be preposterous for a firm to consider extending employment to somebody so worthless as a human being as to allow themselves to be marred with a C.

QFFT, since firms use grades as a metric to distinguish students initially, it will always remain the main metric. I.E. You get top 5% your 1 L year. 2L fall, you get median, which drops you to top 15%. You crank out top class work over the summer. Doesn't matter, you get dinged. Firm's don't give a fuck about the quality of work you do, only the grades. My advice to you: burn out this year staying in the top 5% by studying all day every day. Doesn't matter that your brain is working over the summer. Shitty work product, no biggie if you're in that top range. Best work of any summer, but you got a C in fed tax when you're doing lit = no offered.

NotMyRealName09 wrote:Poor time management will kill you. That should be the second thing you do after you sketch out your attack outline from memory on the back of the first page of the exam. Count up how much each section of exam is worth, and devote the appropriate amount of time relative to how many points each section is worth.

My first contracts exam, prof said in instructions that people typically don't finish, and he was right. That sneaky prof had a section of short answers worth varying points. The very last short answer (also last question on exam) was worth 8 points, while most other short answers were 3-4, and that question was easy. It was a REWARD for people who took time to review the test and plan out their answers, as jumping on that last question (and skipping lower value ones) paid off by earning more points in the alloted time. Multiple people just ran through the questions in order, and kicked themselves when they realized they should have cherry picked the questions based on points. That is what I did, and it worked out well.

Look, who knows how you did, but I'll tell you, someone probably planned ahead and addressed the entire essay first, maybe sacrificing a few points on the MC, but gaining more through planning. Its a points grab. You have to focus on gaining the most points. I never did the multiple choice first, because I know for me that I can run through MC faster than put down an essay, but I always set my timer for X amount of time per section, and once the time hit, move on. You could spend all exam writing the perfect essay, but miss points on the MC and get a C.

Law school exams are a game. They aren't just objective measures of knowledge, but also measures of who is most crafty.

smokyroom26 wrote:

deebs wrote:

thesealocust wrote:

Pato_09 wrote:Will a C (as a 2L) blow your chances for big firm permanent offer?

Of course it will. Everyone who gets a C 2L year has their offer revoked. If you get it in the fall you can't even spend the summer at the firm. There's a nationwide clearinghouse for grades to make sure it gets spotted as quickly as possible. A few firms will even fire you mid-summer if spring grades come out and one of them was a C.

The reason for this is that your grades are what define you as a person. They are like talismanic sources of your intelligence, drive, work ethic, and charisma. If they falter, you falter. Without a properly impressive transcript backing you up, no client will take you seriously. No judge will listen to your arguments.

You aren't anything but your grades. It would be preposterous for a firm to consider extending employment to somebody so worthless as a human being as to allow themselves to be marred with a C.

QFFT, since firms use grades as a metric to distinguish students initially, it will always remain the main metric. I.E. You get top 5% your 1 L year. 2L fall, you get median, which drops you to top 15%. You crank out top class work over the summer. Doesn't matter, you get dinged. Firm's don't give a fuck about the quality of work you do, only the grades. My advice to you: burn out this year staying in the top 5% by studying all day every day. Doesn't matter that your brain is working over the summer. Shitty work product, no biggie if you're in that top range. Best work of any summer, but you got a C in fed tax when you're doing lit = no offered.

IMHO, it's also important to remember that if you are single, you'll probably never land a SO with that kind of black mark on your record. If you are currently involved, well, hopefully she won't ask to see this semester's transcript. I mean, if I ever found out my boyfriend made a C on a law school exam, I'd DTMFA faster than you can say "dry spell."

Borhas wrote:

NotMyRealName09 wrote:Poor time management will kill you. That should be the second thing you do after you sketch out your attack outline from memory on the back of the first page of the exam. Count up how much each section of exam is worth, and devote the appropriate amount of time relative to how many points each section is worth.

My first contracts exam, prof said in instructions that people typically don't finish, and he was right. That sneaky prof had a section of short answers worth varying points. The very last short answer (also last question on exam) was worth 8 points, while most other short answers were 3-4, and that question was easy. It was a REWARD for people who took time to review the test and plan out their answers, as jumping on that last question (and skipping lower value ones) paid off by earning more points in the alloted time. Multiple people just ran through the questions in order, and kicked themselves when they realized they should have cherry picked the questions based on points. That is what I did, and it worked out well.

Look, who knows how you did, but I'll tell you, someone probably planned ahead and addressed the entire essay first, maybe sacrificing a few points on the MC, but gaining more through planning. Its a points grab. You have to focus on gaining the most points. I never did the multiple choice first, because I know for me that I can run through MC faster than put down an essay, but I always set my timer for X amount of time per section, and once the time hit, move on. You could spend all exam writing the perfect essay, but miss points on the MC and get a C.

Law school exams are a game. They aren't just objective measures of knowledge, but also measures of who is most crafty.

if exam is MC and MC is worth 50% it'd still be a bad move to spend 50% of your time on MC. Spending more than 1-2 minutes on a MC question is usually a bad idea cause unlike an essay the more time you spend doesn't really mean the more points you get. If it's a situation where looking something up will make it easier that's different, but I've often found that over 2 min on a MC is just wasted effort.

I think it's usually best to finish MC swiftly and then spend rest on issue spotting

RVP11 wrote:It was funny only when thesealocust did it.

GMAT33333 wrote:I'm posting here, because in a panicked state, I turned to this thread after not finishing my law school exam. It was first semester 1L, Contracts. Three and a half hours, three essays and multiple choice. I felt great about the first two essays, but hardly touched the third, which had two parts. There were 10 minutes left when I began jotting down random things, attempting to at least issue spot. I thought that I may very well have failed. I ended up getting an A. So just relax and realize that you really really never know how it's going to turn out. The professor may look at your exam holistically and you might be completely fine. I hope my story helps.

Ferrisjso wrote:

GMAT33333 wrote:I'm posting here, because in a panicked state, I turned to this thread after not finishing my law school exam. It was first semester 1L, Contracts. Three and a half hours, three essays and multiple choice. I felt great about the first two essays, but hardly touched the third, which had two parts. There were 10 minutes left when I began jotting down random things, attempting to at least issue spot. I thought that I may very well have failed. I ended up getting an A. So just relax and realize that you really really never know how it's going to turn out. The professor may look at your exam holistically and you might be completely fine. I hope my story helps.

I had a very similar situation on one of my tests, put a ton of time into the first two of three essays, and was just rushing to briefly put down all the issues I'd spotted, getting some, not having time for a few. This story has given me real hope, thank you!!!! Difference was MC though, haven't had a single MC test yet for LS:(