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Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:37 pm
by Anonymous User
I go to a T3 school that is a few hours away from a major legal market. In speaking with my professors, they told me that several Biglaw firms have spots reserved for grads from my school, but because my school is a few hours away from those firms, that most of my peers will not be seeking those jobs. Thus, I have a pretty good chance at landing a Biglaw job because I don't have a lot of competition and transferring wouldn't put me in a better position because I'd be facing more competition for the same jobs. My professors went on to name a few grads who landed Biglaw jobs.

Is this typical of a professor trying to dissuade a potential transferee or do my professors raise legitimate points here? I plan to apply to transfer out regardless, but I am unsure if what they are saying has any value. Historically, my school does not have more than one or two students transfer out each year and does not seem to be anti-transfer from what I have seen so far. For what its worth, I don't plan on leaving my current school unless I get accepted to a T14.

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:48 pm
by nrthwst4now
I had one professor discourage me and two explicitly say it was a good idea if I could get into the schools I was considering. To help my decision I looked at the big law numbers from the ABA report for my school. If, say, 15% of students at your school get the kind of job you want and you are in (I assume) the top 5%, then those are decent odds. Also consider paying full rate at your new school v presumably a scholly at your current school...

For me, I felt that the opportunities with both my first job and especially with other jobs further down the road justified my decision to leave.

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:14 pm
by sparkytrainer
Thats total BS. They probably heard from the administration that they should dissuade you from transferring.

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:14 am
by tier4_partner
There are no spots “reserved” in biglaw for T3 students. And a few hundred miles won’t stop your entire class from applying. The professor is lying. It’s that simple.

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:21 am
by Npret
Anonymous User wrote:I go to a T3 school that is a few hours away from a major legal market. In speaking with my professors, they told me that several Biglaw firms have spots reserved for grads from my school, but because my school is a few hours away from those firms, that most of my peers will not be seeking those jobs. Thus, I have a pretty good chance at landing a Biglaw job because I don't have a lot of competition and transferring wouldn't put me in a better position because I'd be facing more competition for the same jobs. My professors went on to name a few grads who landed Biglaw jobs.

Is this typical of a professor trying to dissuade a potential transferee or do my professors raise legitimate points here? I plan to apply to transfer out regardless, but I am unsure if what they are saying has any value. Historically, my school does not have more than one or two students transfer out each year and does not seem to be anti-transfer from what I have seen so far. For what its worth, I don't plan on leaving my current school unless I get accepted to a T14.

Law professors know nothing about employment in the real world. No firm reserves spots and the competition for Biglaw jobs is intense everywhere. The school wants top students to stay so they can boost their employment numbers.

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:49 pm
by Generic1L
Here to echo that any sentiment about there being reserved spots is definitely a lie. Reserved spots for interviewing, possibly.

Also, my old school had a policy of not writing Letters of Recommendation or releasing a Dean's Certificate unless I sat down with administrators and explained my reasons for wanting to leave. Even after, the Dean once stopped me outside of class to tell me it was a bad idea to transfer ("you have a good thing going here, don't throw that all away"). Take it as a compliment, but don't give credence to the words. As much as they might like you or want to invest in you, their reasons for wanting you to stay are also based on their own self-interest (for the school).

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:02 pm
by SFSpartan
nrthwst4now wrote:I had one professor discourage me and two explicitly say it was a good idea if I could get into the schools I was considering. To help my decision I looked at the big law numbers from the ABA report for my school. If, say, 15% of students at your school get the kind of job you want and you are in (I assume) the top 5%, then those are decent odds. Also consider paying full rate at your new school v presumably a scholly at your current school...

For me, I felt that the opportunities with both my first job and especially with other jobs further down the road justified my decision to leave.


The professors that told you transferring was a good idea are telling the truth. The other one is a liar. It's really that simple.

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:07 pm
by nrthwst4now
SFSpartan wrote:
nrthwst4now wrote:I had one professor discourage me and two explicitly say it was a good idea if I could get into the schools I was considering. To help my decision I looked at the big law numbers from the ABA report for my school. If, say, 15% of students at your school get the kind of job you want and you are in (I assume) the top 5%, then those are decent odds. Also consider paying full rate at your new school v presumably a scholly at your current school...

For me, I felt that the opportunities with both my first job and especially with other jobs further down the road justified my decision to leave.


The professors that told you transferring was a good idea are telling the truth. The other one is a liar. It's really that simple.


It depends on the school they are considering leaving, employment data, and scholarship considerations. Personally, the only reason I listened to the professors was because I was being polite while asking for a letter. My decision was based on those factors. There are reasons to not transfer if (like in the example I posted) you can get the outcome you want for way less money by staying.

I left and am happy I did. To say that someone should leave not matter what oversimplifies it. I agree, most situations justify a transfer if it is to a top school

Re: Professors encouraging me not to transfer

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 11:27 pm
by SFSpartan
nrthwst4now wrote:
SFSpartan wrote:
nrthwst4now wrote:I had one professor discourage me and two explicitly say it was a good idea if I could get into the schools I was considering. To help my decision I looked at the big law numbers from the ABA report for my school. If, say, 15% of students at your school get the kind of job you want and you are in (I assume) the top 5%, then those are decent odds. Also consider paying full rate at your new school v presumably a scholly at your current school...

For me, I felt that the opportunities with both my first job and especially with other jobs further down the road justified my decision to leave.


The professors that told you transferring was a good idea are telling the truth. The other one is a liar. It's really that simple.


It depends on the school they are considering leaving, employment data, and scholarship considerations. Personally, the only reason I listened to the professors was because I was being polite while asking for a letter. My decision was based on those factors. There are reasons to not transfer if (like in the example I posted) you can get the outcome you want for way less money by staying.

I left and am happy I did. To say that someone should leave not matter what oversimplifies it. I agree, most situations justify a transfer if it is to a top school


Point taken, though, given that OP is at a third tier school, OP would be justified in transferring to basically any T14.