Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

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Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby friz90 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:57 pm

I am considering starting law school with the intention of transferring after one year. I don't think I would be satisfied graduating from the school I get admitted to. I know transferring depends on having the best grades in the class. I think that is possible to achieve with hard work. Should I just wait a year, and apply in the next cycle, or go to school with the intention of transferring?

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby Natasha Coats » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:58 pm

Yea why not. Just study hard.

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby IExistedOnceBefore » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:02 pm

Everyone things they'll be able to work hard and transfer. The curve doesn't work like that. It's not how hard you work, its how many more points you get than the other people. You can work the hardest and still lose. Just retake and reapply.

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:12 pm

No, do not matriculate at one law school with the intention of transferring to another. The first year of law school is much different than undergraduate study. Working hard is not enough to assure one of finishing above median.

It would be wiser to study hard at improving your LSAT score so that you can get admitted to a better law school at an affordable price.

Retake. (Seriously.)

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:15 pm

In order to transfer to a better school, you probably need to finish at least in the top 20% to top 25% at the end of your first year. (If median would suffice, then you should have been admitted to the target school initially without worrying about transferring.)

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby KijiStewart » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:17 pm

friz90 wrote:I am considering starting law school with the intention of transferring after one year. I don't think I would be satisfied graduating from the school I get admitted to. I know transferring depends on having the best grades in the class. I think that is possible to achieve with hard work. Should I just wait a year, and apply in the next cycle, or go to school with the intention of transferring?


That only depends on where you are for school 1, and where you want to transfer to.

For instance, to transfer from a 70-80 school to a 20-30 school (which may or may not be worth it but that's another discussion) you certainly do NOT need to finish in the top 10% of your class.

My answer to your should I do 1L or not therefore does depend on a) where you got admitted to for 1L, and b) where you will be comfortable transferring to.


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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:30 am

OP: You applied very late last cycle; in fact, your prior thread suggests that you only applied to one law school. With a 175 LSAT & a 2.75 GPA, you can do much better. Wait & reapply.

Just to be clear: Your superb LSAT score of 175 is not relevant when applying as a transfer law student; only your law school GPA & class rank matter.

You need to apply to a significant number--maybe 10--law schools among the top 15, including Northwestern ED, next cycle.

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby ivankinghk » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:42 am

I started at T4 with the intention to transfer to better law school, and I finished at T20. its doable.

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby snowball2 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:23 pm

ivankinghk wrote:I started at T4 with the intention to transfer to better law school, and I finished at T20. its doable.


While you can easily guarantee that there are T4 students transferring to T20 every year, they are the outliers and not the norm. 100% of students start law school expecting to be in the top 5-10% but only 5-10% (duh) actually end up there. If you're fortunate to have that option then it's great, but going to a T4 with the PLAN of ending up in a T20 is not a good plan for anyone.

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby Harnas Barnas » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:15 pm

Natasha Coats wrote:Yea why not. Just study hard.

exactly, follow your dreams, good luck

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby friz90 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:34 pm

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snowball2 wrote:While you can easily guarantee that there are T4 students transferring to T20 every year, they are the outliers and not the norm. 100% of students start law school expecting to be in the top 5-10% but only 5-10% (duh) actually end up there. If you're fortunate to have that option then it's great, but going to a T4 with the PLAN of ending up in a T20 is not a good plan for anyone.


I don't think everyone goes to law school expecting to be in the top 5-10%. For example, I know of a NFL cheerleader at a top 20 law school. Cheerleading is demanding, it probably takes up a lot of time. I don't know here situation, but I am assuming she most likely isn't in the top 5-10%, and doesn't care.

I know someone else who went to one law school, and dropped out. Then started at another law school, finished the degree but doesn't work as a lawyer. She is stay at home mom. Her husband pays her loans.

I don't think everyone tries get high grades in law school. But, I believe that if you try to do your best you will get results. I think if I went to a law school, and tried my hardest, and my best to get good grades, then I would.

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby BasilHallward » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:31 pm

friz90 wrote:I
snowball2 wrote:While you can easily guarantee that there are T4 students transferring to T20 every year, they are the outliers and not the norm. 100% of students start law school expecting to be in the top 5-10% but only 5-10% (duh) actually end up there. If you're fortunate to have that option then it's great, but going to a T4 with the PLAN of ending up in a T20 is not a good plan for anyone.


I don't think everyone goes to law school expecting to be in the top 5-10%. For example, I know of a NFL cheerleader at a top 20 law school. Cheerleading is demanding, it probably takes up a lot of time. I don't know here situation, but I am assuming she most likely isn't in the top 5-10%, and doesn't care.

I know someone else who went to one law school, and dropped out. Then started at another law school, finished the degree but doesn't work as a lawyer. She is stay at home mom. Her husband pays her loans.

I don't think everyone tries get high grades in law school. But, I believe that if you try to do your best you will get results. I think if I went to a law school, and tried my hardest, and my best to get good grades, then I would.


Classic 0L rambling. This is an objectively treacherous way to think about law school. Bad advice. TCR concerning advice is to assume median at any school. That's the only honest approach to take when gambling with $100k+

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby actuator » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:16 am

friz90 wrote:I don't think everyone tries get high grades in law school. But, I believe that if you try to do your best you will get results. I think if I went to a law school, and tried my hardest, and my best to get good grades, then I would.


how are there still posts like this on TLS, in 2018

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Re: Is it bad to go to law school with the intention of transferring?

Postby hoos89 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:48 am

friz90 wrote:I
snowball2 wrote:While you can easily guarantee that there are T4 students transferring to T20 every year, they are the outliers and not the norm. 100% of students start law school expecting to be in the top 5-10% but only 5-10% (duh) actually end up there. If you're fortunate to have that option then it's great, but going to a T4 with the PLAN of ending up in a T20 is not a good plan for anyone.


I don't think everyone goes to law school expecting to be in the top 5-10%. For example, I know of a NFL cheerleader at a top 20 law school. Cheerleading is demanding, it probably takes up a lot of time. I don't know here situation, but I am assuming she most likely isn't in the top 5-10%, and doesn't care.

I know someone else who went to one law school, and dropped out. Then started at another law school, finished the degree but doesn't work as a lawyer. She is stay at home mom. Her husband pays her loans.

I don't think everyone tries get high grades in law school. But, I believe that if you try to do your best you will get results. I think if I went to a law school, and tried my hardest, and my best to get good grades, then I would.


Why didn't someone just tell the bottom 80% of people in every law school class ever to work hard?!?! Oh sure every law school class is going to have a few people out of hundreds that aren't giving it 100%, but you can expect that 90%+ of people are going to be putting in a lot of effort. You're not just going to outwork people to the top 20% of your class (or higher, depending on where you're starting from and where you want to transfer). I had way more than two friends who were smart, worked really hard and didn't get good grades (I didn't know most of their LSAT scores, but I know for a fact that there were a few in the 170s). Law school grades are certainly correlated with effort, but not as strongly as most 0Ls seem to think.

Don't go to a law school you wouldn't be at least content graduating from and that doesn't give you a good chance at getting a good job. If you really do have a 175 your best course is to apply early next year to every top 20 school plus state schools in the region you want to practice. E-mail admissions offices and ask for fee waivers. Start applying as early in the cycle as possible. You may not get into your top school, but with a 175 you have a pretty good chance to get into a school that you'd be at least content graduating from. Also, you won't have to do as well to transfer up (and your options will likely be better once you do because employers at OCI will still judge based on your previous school once you transfer).



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