DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

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DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:13 am

Hello Everyone -

I figured I might as well start a new thread for the next term of the DOJ Honors Program. I hope everyone who just took a bar exam is relaxing somewhere warm with a pool! Best of luck to everyone!

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:59 am

Thanks for starting this thread!

Does anyone have insight into whether our rankings of formal components have any monumental significance? Specifically, are there any components that won't consider you if you don't rank them first (or conversely, if you rank them third)? Much appreciated!

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Thanks for starting this thread!

Does anyone have insight into whether our rankings of formal components have any monumental significance? Specifically, are there any components that won't consider you if you don't rank them first (or conversely, if you rank them third)? Much appreciated!

Anon because I went through this in a past year. It’s my understanding that yes, some components will only consider you if you rank them first. I heard that this was true for Crim and Civil Rights (but in past years the latter has just been crazy selective generally. Not sure what state it’s in now). I can’t confirm for certain, though, I don’t hire for any components. FWIW, I got interviews with my first and third choices, and got hired by my third choice, so it’s not universal at all.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Thanks for starting this thread!

Does anyone have insight into whether our rankings of formal components have any monumental significance? Specifically, are there any components that won't consider you if you don't rank them first (or conversely, if you rank them third)? Much appreciated!

Anon because I went through this in a past year. It’s my understanding that yes, some components will only consider you if you rank them first. I heard that this was true for Crim and Civil Rights (but in past years the latter has just been crazy selective generally. Not sure what state it’s in now). I can’t confirm for certain, though, I don’t hire for any components. FWIW, I got interviews with my first and third choices, and got hired by my third choice, so it’s not universal at all.


Awesome, thanks! Unfortunately I'm shooting for both Crim and Civil, so I'll have to really think about these rankings...

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:02 pm

Just submitted my application. Looking for trial work with the Department.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just submitted my application. Looking for trial work with the Department.

Which components did you rank?

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:58 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just submitted my application. Looking for trial work with the Department.

Which components did you rank?

1. Crim - (1) Reg (2) AFML
2. CRT
3. Civ - (1) App (2) Comm (3) Oil-App (4) Tort (5) Oil-DC

you?

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:29 pm

Are there any components where clerking beforehand is more or less a prerequisite? I don't want to waste a choice if it is.

Also (and this is probably hard to answer), are there any components where having done a state government fellowship with lots of experience in administrative enforcement/litigation would be a big plus?

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:37 am

Anonymous User wrote:Are there any components where clerking beforehand is more or less a prerequisite? I don't want to waste a choice if it is.

Also (and this is probably hard to answer), are there any components where having done a state government fellowship with lots of experience in administrative enforcement/litigation would be a big plus?


Anecdotal, but from my time interning at the department, pretty much every civ and crim honors attorney I've come across has clerked. The more competitive Civ sections it seems to be a necessity, with crim as a whole not far behind--FWIW the only Crim honors attorneys I've met w/o a clerkship had significant public service experience before law school

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:17 am

I can't remember how I arranged the divisions within the components, but these are the components I chose:
1. Civil Rights
2. Civil
3. Crim

I'm gunning for appellate. I am also applying to some of the informal AUSA jobs.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:48 pm

Does anyone know what DOJ expects for the “additional information” box at the end of the application? It’s 4,000 words, so I don’t want to pass up the opportunity to provide more information but also don’t want to write something redundant just for the sake of filling it out.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:38 pm

At least when I applied, that was where you were supposed to list answers to some of the earlier questions that told you to list things in the additional info section (like EOIR wanted you to list any pertinent immigration background as part of the additional information), as well as all the resume-ish things that didn't fit into the boxes on the form. For ex. pertinent coursework, law school honors (law review/moot court etc) and activities, rank, grade scale your school uses, undergrad honors, scholarships, and anything else you've accomplished you want them to know about. Again, when I applied, you didn't get to submit a resume until you got an interview, so it was your place to include all resume info that wasn't literally the school you'd attended and job you'd held - there weren't any other spaces on the app to include the honors etc I just described. (I know interface for the app has changed somewhat since I applied and I can't look at the current app to see what the current description says, but when I applied it was a fairly important section.)

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby lavarman84 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:27 pm

Anonymous User wrote:At least when I applied, that was where you were supposed to list answers to some of the earlier questions that told you to list things in the additional info section (like EOIR wanted you to list any pertinent immigration background as part of the additional information), as well as all the resume-ish things that didn't fit into the boxes on the form. For ex. pertinent coursework, law school honors (law review/moot court etc) and activities, rank, grade scale your school uses, undergrad honors, scholarships, and anything else you've accomplished you want them to know about. Again, when I applied, you didn't get to submit a resume until you got an interview, so it was your place to include all resume info that wasn't literally the school you'd attended and job you'd held - there weren't any other spaces on the app to include the honors etc I just described. (I know interface for the app has changed somewhat since I applied and I can't look at the current app to see what the current description says, but when I applied it was a fairly important section.)


I think that's still fairly accurate now. There opportunities to list some of that stuff, but I listed activities, publications, and awards that didn't fit neatly into other sections and were on my resume. I also listed my class ranking.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:48 am

In for Crim, Antitrust, and ALJ clerk under EOIR.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:59 am

Is it possible that applying to only one formal component would be held against an applicant (doj may infer a lack of true interest)?

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:40 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just submitted my application. Looking for trial work with the Department.

Which components did you rank?

1. Crim - (1) Reg (2) AFML
2. CRT
3. Civ - (1) App (2) Comm (3) Oil-App (4) Tort (5) Oil-DC

you?


1. CRIM (reg)
2. CRT
3. EOIR-BIA

Now the anxiety begins!

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:25 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Just submitted my application. Looking for trial work with the Department.

Which components did you rank?

1. Crim - (1) Reg (2) AFML
2. CRT
3. Civ - (1) App (2) Comm (3) Oil-App (4) Tort (5) Oil-DC

you?


1. CRIM (reg)
2. CRT
3. EOIR-BIA

Now the anxiety begins!


I applied for AF JAG too. Application due Aug 10, board was last week, but I received an email that we would not be notified of results until October. Gotta love the government waiting game

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is it possible that applying to only one formal component would be held against an applicant (doj may infer a lack of true interest)?

Not that I’m aware of. Components are really different and if you only want one I doubt that component will care. And other components will never know. :)

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:38 am

anon b/c current applicant.

Checking in:
1) Civil
2) US Trustee
3) Crim

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:53 pm

Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.


HP interviews go out the afternoon of October 1.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.


HP interviews go out the afternoon of October 1.


Ahh, just saw the message on Avue. Thanks.

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby philthy » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:44 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.


HP interviews go out the afternoon of October 1.


Ahh, just saw the message on Avue. Thanks.


I haven't seen any messages in avue. Was it in your inbox or was there a general posting somewhere?

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.


HP interviews go out the afternoon of October 1.


Ahh, just saw the message on Avue. Thanks.


Where did you see this on Avue? I checked my inbox, and the last message I have is from when I submitted my application. #sos

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Re: DOJ Honors Program 2019-2020

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Any bets on when interview selectees are released? Im guessing the 25th or 26th.


HP interviews go out the afternoon of October 1.


Ahh, just saw the message on Avue. Thanks.


Where did you see this on Avue? I checked my inbox, and the last message I have is from when I submitted my application. #sos


The community tab on Avue, right next to your inbox.



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