Pre-OCI 2019 Forum

[Anonymous User]

How important is pre-OCI in the DC market? I only plan to bid a small handful of NY firms so not super interested in mass mailing there, but a little worried about DC because I’m doing a 1L SA in a different market so I haven’t been able to attend any firm receptions/network.

Also if I did end up getting an interview, I wouldn’t be able to skip a day of my 1L SA to fly out so am I OK just sticking to OCI or should I really be trying to get something now too?

Pre oci in DC is super important. My old firm in dc only does pre oci and it is not the only firm that fills up its dc class through pre oci. Remember, dc is a small market with the number of summer associates. Classes aren’t huge (outside of a handful of firms). Most of the v100s class sizes in dc range from 1-6ish summers in total. If you aren’t doing pre oci in dc, you are doing it wrong.

Speaking as someone who only got dc offers pre oci and whose former firm literally only does pre oci recruiting now. Literally doesn’t go to a single oci anymore.

How should we do pre OCI if we aren't in DC this summer? Thanks!

The attorneys I've met in DC have all been very open to phone-call networking.

[Anonymous User]

How important is pre-OCI in the DC market? I only plan to bid a small handful of NY firms so not super interested in mass mailing there, but a little worried about DC because I’m doing a 1L SA in a different market so I haven’t been able to attend any firm receptions/network.

Also if I did end up getting an interview, I wouldn’t be able to skip a day of my 1L SA to fly out so am I OK just sticking to OCI or should I really be trying to get something now too?

Pre oci in DC is super important. My old firm in dc only does pre oci and it is not the only firm that fills up its dc class through pre oci. Remember, dc is a small market with the number of summer associates. Classes aren’t huge (outside of a handful of firms). Most of the v100s class sizes in dc range from 1-6ish summers in total. If you aren’t doing pre oci in dc, you are doing it wrong.

Speaking as someone who only got dc offers pre oci and whose former firm literally only does pre oci recruiting now. Literally doesn’t go to a single oci anymore.

How should we do pre OCI if we aren't in DC this summer? Thanks!

The attorneys I've met in DC have all been very open to phone-call networking.

So i can get a job in DC pre oci without actually visiting the city? That seems wrong to me.

[Anonymous User]

How important is pre-OCI in the DC market? I only plan to bid a small handful of NY firms so not super interested in mass mailing there, but a little worried about DC because I’m doing a 1L SA in a different market so I haven’t been able to attend any firm receptions/network.

Also if I did end up getting an interview, I wouldn’t be able to skip a day of my 1L SA to fly out so am I OK just sticking to OCI or should I really be trying to get something now too?

Pre oci in DC is super important. My old firm in dc only does pre oci and it is not the only firm that fills up its dc class through pre oci. Remember, dc is a small market with the number of summer associates. Classes aren’t huge (outside of a handful of firms). Most of the v100s class sizes in dc range from 1-6ish summers in total. If you aren’t doing pre oci in dc, you are doing it wrong.

Speaking as someone who only got dc offers pre oci and whose former firm literally only does pre oci recruiting now. Literally doesn’t go to a single oci anymore.

How should we do pre OCI if we aren't in DC this summer? Thanks!

The attorneys I've met in DC have all been very open to phone-call networking.

So i can get a job in DC pre oci without actually visiting the city? That seems wrong to me.

I am the original DC associate who posted about my old firm. I dont think anyone is saying its likely, but you better start trying if you want to be in DC. I confirmed with a friend of my mine at my old firm that they already have their callback candidates. Callbacks start next week.

If you arent in DC right now, you should be having as many informational phone calls as you possibly can. For the people in DC, you need to be out there pounding the pavement meeting attorneys and networking. Callbacks are happening in DC already.

[eightleggedfreaks]

How important is pre-OCI in the DC market? I only plan to bid a small handful of NY firms so not super interested in mass mailing there, but a little worried about DC because I’m doing a 1L SA in a different market so I haven’t been able to attend any firm receptions/network.

Also if I did end up getting an interview, I wouldn’t be able to skip a day of my 1L SA to fly out so am I OK just sticking to OCI or should I really be trying to get something now too?

Pre oci in DC is super important. My old firm in dc only does pre oci and it is not the only firm that fills up its dc class through pre oci. Remember, dc is a small market with the number of summer associates. Classes aren’t huge (outside of a handful of firms). Most of the v100s class sizes in dc range from 1-6ish summers in total. If you aren’t doing pre oci in dc, you are doing it wrong.

Speaking as someone who only got dc offers pre oci and whose former firm literally only does pre oci recruiting now. Literally doesn’t go to a single oci anymore.

How should we do pre OCI if we aren't in DC this summer? Thanks!

The attorneys I've met in DC have all been very open to phone-call networking.

So i can get a job in DC pre oci without actually visiting the city? That seems wrong to me.

I am the original DC associate who posted about my old firm. I dont think anyone is saying its likely, but you better start trying if you want to be in DC. I confirmed with a friend of my mine at my old firm that they already have their callback candidates. Callbacks start next week.

If you arent in DC right now, you should be having as many informational phone calls as you possibly can. For the people in DC, you need to be out there pounding the pavement meeting attorneys and networking. Callbacks are happening in DC already.

So after the informational phone call, would you ask the attorney to pass on your materials? What if they're coming to your OCI?

[Anonymous User]

How important is pre-OCI in the DC market? I only plan to bid a small handful of NY firms so not super interested in mass mailing there, but a little worried about DC because I’m doing a 1L SA in a different market so I haven’t been able to attend any firm receptions/network.

Also if I did end up getting an interview, I wouldn’t be able to skip a day of my 1L SA to fly out so am I OK just sticking to OCI or should I really be trying to get something now too?

Pre oci in DC is super important. My old firm in dc only does pre oci and it is not the only firm that fills up its dc class through pre oci. Remember, dc is a small market with the number of summer associates. Classes aren’t huge (outside of a handful of firms). Most of the v100s class sizes in dc range from 1-6ish summers in total. If you aren’t doing pre oci in dc, you are doing it wrong.

Speaking as someone who only got dc offers pre oci and whose former firm literally only does pre oci recruiting now. Literally doesn’t go to a single oci anymore.

How should we do pre OCI if we aren't in DC this summer? Thanks!

The attorneys I've met in DC have all been very open to phone-call networking.

So i can get a job in DC pre oci without actually visiting the city? That seems wrong to me.

I am the original DC associate who posted about my old firm. I dont think anyone is saying its likely, but you better start trying if you want to be in DC. I confirmed with a friend of my mine at my old firm that they already have their callback candidates. Callbacks start next week.

If you arent in DC right now, you should be having as many informational phone calls as you possibly can. For the people in DC, you need to be out there pounding the pavement meeting attorneys and networking. Callbacks are happening in DC already.

So after the informational phone call, would you ask the attorney to pass on your materials? What if they're coming to your OCI?

Fellow rising 2L but I've just applied on firms' websites if they have it listed, and I have an interview scheduled in NYC already, traveling from another city. I'd guess DC is similar on a smaller scale. The firm generally covers your expenses.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard from Paul, Weiss (NYC) post-Callback?

[Anonymous User]

Same question for Simpson. Anyone heard back after callback in NYC?

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard from Paul, Weiss (NYC) post-Callback?

Did you just mass mail for a callback? Or was it through a connection?

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard from Paul, Weiss (NYC) post-Callback?

Did you just mass mail for a callback? Or was it through a connection?

Mass mail

[choiisboy]

Same question for Simpson. Anyone heard back after callback in NYC?

Interviewed with PW and STB last week...did not hear back yet

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts on including your GPA if your school 1.) doesn't formally calculate it and 2.) doesn't let you put it on your OCI resume?

Also for DPW: is there a person to email, or do you mass-mail to the newlawyer@davispolk.com address? They don't seem to have a NALP page and I've been emailing everyone else's recruiting contacts from NALP.

[Anonymous User]

Same question for Simpson. Anyone heard back after callback in NYC?

Interviewed with PW and STB last week...did not hear back yet

Please report back when you do!

[Anonymous User]

To the person(s) saying DC Pre-OCI is essential: I don’t want to do Pre OCI with firms coming to my school since (1) I want to have a good relationship with career services past EIP (2) my current job almost certainly won’t give me time to do callbacks (outside of my non-DC market) and (3) I’m top 10% at HYS, so I imagine I’ll still be competitive at any of the firms with big classes if I wait for OCI. Is my current position reasonable or do I need to start mass mailing ASAP?

[Flarmanarnar]

To the person(s) saying DC Pre-OCI is essential: I don’t want to do Pre OCI with firms coming to my school since (1) I want to have a good relationship with career services past EIP (2) my current job almost certainly won’t give me time to do callbacks (outside of my non-DC market) and (3) I’m top 10% at HYS, so I imagine I’ll still be competitive at any of the firms with big classes if I wait for OCI. Is my current position reasonable or do I need to start mass mailing ASAP?

I don't even understand what your question/point is - you clearly don't want to do pre-OCI and claim you "can't" make time for callbacks. Based on your current position you will most likely be fine, especially at top 10% from HYS. I wouldn't worry about it if I were in your shoes. Also, you don't seem to want to be told to do pre-OCI, so don't.

[Anonymous User]

To the person(s) saying DC Pre-OCI is essential: I don’t want to do Pre OCI with firms coming to my school since (1) I want to have a good relationship with career services past EIP (2) my current job almost certainly won’t give me time to do callbacks (outside of my non-DC market) and (3) I’m top 10% at HYS, so I imagine I’ll still be competitive at any of the firms with big classes if I wait for OCI. Is my current position reasonable or do I need to start mass mailing ASAP?

You will be fine. Just practice interview.

[icansortofmath]

With top 10% at HYS you basically just write an email that amounts to politer version of:

Yo, I got top 10% at HYS. Can I get an interview?

And you'll get it. (unless firm thinks there is no chance you actually accept their offer or they really have no space)

Also, I did everything in the book that should piss career services off (reneging on offers, doing pre-OCI, and just generally being a PITA trying to get non-legal employment) and nothing bad happened. I doubt your school's career services will do anything. They want to stay in contact with people with jobs.

To answer your question directly.

Do pre-OCI. Even with top 10% at HYS, you're competing with 100+ top 10% at HYS. You don't want that dream position taken by another top 10% HYS during pre-OCI. There really is no reason to not do pre-OCI other than sheer laziness or already have your No. 1 firm locked up.

[usaorbust]

Any more pre-OCI movement?

[britdude87]

Any STB movement?

[Anonymous User]

Haven’t heard back from STB yet. Know of many who have interviewed with Simpson, but don’t think any of them have gotten a response. Wondering what the recruiters are thinking.

[hengha12]

DPW giving offers. Have not heard from STB.

[Anonymous User]

Weil offers out as well.

[Anonymous User]

STB has an offer dinner in a few days so I assume enough offers have gone out.

[RVG]

Which NYC firms are not doing pre-OCI?

[Anonymous User]

Got an offer from either Fenwick/Cooley/WSGR in Silicon Valley

[Anonymous User]

Any Paul Weiss NYC offers gone out?