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Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:22 pm
by Anonymous User
Hey - long time lurker looking for advice.

To be brief - my first year was hard as hell & my performance was poor. I wasn't used to the lack of social interaction within the school / competitive atmosphere, and definitely had confidence issues in general. I also was dealing with my sister becoming a drug addict/rehab issues, but I understand that's no excuse for my performance at all.

Fast forward to this past semester - I got a 3.08 which puts my overall GPA at a 2.9. I went to the CSO last week and she sounded confident that if keep improving and get my grades up again, BL maybe ( with Midlaw being more assured). But they recommended applying to multiple in house positions for this summer. I've applied to over 100 within the past two weeks, but I haven't received a single follow up ( i have good experience within finance as well).

What should I do?

Re: Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:18 pm
by UVA2B
Suffice it to say you’re a 2L then?

You’ll need to keep hitting every symplicity advertisement that pops up, and your CSO is right that you should be looking at in-house and possibly unpaid government positions that would signal an interest in a particular practice area. Since you’ll be relying on 3L OCI, you’ll need to start making yourself employable within specific practice areas, which will likely mean something in the corporate/transactional side of the house.

I would push back that mid Law is more assured, but the name of the game for you at this point is firing off as many resumes and cover letters in mass mailing as you can possibly muster. Hit every market you have even tenuous ties, and really play up your ties to each of those markets. You can’t be stingy, and you can’t be picky. Until you lock down something for this summer that helps in getting something for following graduation, this should be your entire focus.

Good luck!

Re: Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:33 pm
by Anonymous User
Sans the sister issue, I was exactly the same numerically: T6 with a sub 3.00 after 1L. What was your 1L summer job? Apply like crazy for 2L jobs. It’s very important. Don’t focus on jobs which will ultimately hire you post graduation, look at ones which will be most marketable for your post graduation applications in your 3L year (which you will begin applying to in June-July of your 2L summer).

I had friends in your shoes which ended up with biglaw offers in Sept of their 3Ls but others (myself included) who only got their ultimate jobs after graduation. I’ve seen everything in between.

I agree with the comment above. Apply to everything on symplicity. I would also add to look at “prestigious” government jobs which could help explain why you didn’t work biglaw in your 2L summer.

Overall it will work out, but nothing is guaranteed, you have it put the work in.

Re: Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:44 pm
by BrainsyK
In addition to the above, I'd say networking helps. If you get BL, it'll probably be at a non grade selective place so I would start hitting up attorneys to get coffee from those firms in the hopes that they might tell you about spots that open up during 3L recruiting that may not even be posted or that are in specific practice groups that wouldn't want 3Ls unless they specifically indicated interest in that practice group. It's also very important to get your GPA to above a 3.0 though, which I assume is not going to be an issue given how easy the curve is as a 2L.

Re: Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:26 pm
by Wild Card
BrainsyK wrote:In addition to the above, I'd say networking helps. If you get BL, it'll probably be at a non grade selective place so I would start hitting up attorneys to get coffee from those firms in the hopes that they might tell you about spots that open up during 3L recruiting that may not even be posted or that are in specific practice groups that wouldn't want 3Ls unless they specifically indicated interest in that practice group. It's also very important to get your GPA to above a 3.0 though, which I assume is not going to be an issue given how easy the curve is as a 2L.


As an aside, if the T6 is NYU, then the curve doesn't get easier. Black-letter profs still apply the 1L curve and the seminar median is a B+.

Re: Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:56 pm
by Anonymous User
Just want to throw it out there that for big law/biggish law, in addition to NYC, you should be targeting non-NYC markets to which you have significant ties. The "letter grades > everything else" approach to hiring is a little less prevalent in regional markets where a person's ties have bearing on their appeal.

More importantly, don't get down on yourself or feel inadequate because of your grades, which is an easy trap to fall into. Just keep working hard and stay confident that you're capable of being a good lawyer. Embrace the truth that law school exams are more than a little ridiculous.

Re: Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:32 pm
by Anonymous User
I was below 3.0 at a top 10 c/o 2013. It was hell getting a job. Frankly, technically I didn't get one after graduation. Ended up doing a school funded fellowship for a government job.

That being said: I echo the sentiments about looking for fed government internships. Even ones that don't necessarily lead to full time offers. Aim for agencies that are less popular among top law grads like HUD and the USPS. Maybe the EPA. Interning at those type of places and showing a genuine interest for what they do can lead to you applying as a recent grad and getting hired over people with "superior" credentials. I put quotes around superior because you need to remember that you're going to graduate from a top 6 school. Not beating out a ton of ivy league, valedictorian, salutorian, highly driven type A individuals does not mean you aren't qualified to be a lawyer--or that you won't be a good lawyer. But grades matter and it is what it is.

Also, if you are from a non NYC,DC, Cali market that has a decent amount of legal jobs, target that market hard (as someone else already suggested). I'd also do everything you can to find alums of your top 6 in that market. Finally, try to do a clinic or an externship with a federal agency during your 3L year. That can also go a long way. Good luck!

Re: Below 3.0 at T6...need advice on how to proceed

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:03 pm
by Anonymous User
I was at a T10 and in a similar situation, but for me the shit hit the fan at the very end of my 2L year (long story). So you have a leg up on me. I agree with the other advice in this thread. I would add that you should consider the possibility of clerking after you graduate, and maybe even externing for a judge your 3L year. It will be a long shot with your grades, but if you apply broadly you may have a shot in a flyover district or a non-art III or state court judge. If you also have experience in chambers as an extern, you application for a clerkship will be stronger.

Please don't feel down on yourself. This happens all the time. People who can't find jobs tend to feel shame and not talk about it, so it can be really isolating. In retrospect, I wish that I had talked more to OCS and maybe found a therapist. You go to a great school and you've worked hard to get there and survive there. This is absolutely not a reflection of who you are or your value as a person. Law school exams are ridiculous and, honestly, have very little relevance to your capacity to be a good lawyer.