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Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:21 pm

YHS student with ties as strong as possible. Contacts in market told me YHS is basically a lock for 2L SA's so long as decently personable and median-ish grades. Now I'm reading old threads and it seems like Miami is ultra-competitive even from T14 with strong ties. Is there that much of a difference between YHS and MVP-->GULC in Miami hiring? Or has the market just improved? Or are the biglaw contacts I have out of touch with hiring?

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:28 pm

There's a big difference between HYS and T14 in Miami, for whatever reason. If you can articulate either some ties or a decent reason for coming to Miami and convince the firms you would come as an associate (not just bounce after the summer), you're going to do well in Miami coming from HYS.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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Anonymous User wrote:There's a big difference between HYS and T14 in Miami, for whatever reason. If you can articulate either some ties or a decent reason for coming to Miami and convince the firms you would come as an associate (not just bounce after the summer), you're going to do well in Miami coming from HYS.


Ok good this is reassuring. I don't think my ties could be stronger unless I had gone to UM law

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:04 pm

To add to the above: you may only get offers from the top fish because other firms will assume you'll go to the best. The top firms tend to take a while to make decisions so worth being patient.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:To add to the above: you may only get offers from the top fish because other firms will assume you'll go to the best. The top firms tend to take a while to make decisions so worth being patient.


Top fish as in White & Case, GT, H&K? And is this in the context of 1L hiring or in general? I believe only W&C and Akerman are still hiring for this summer

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:47 pm

I work at a firm in Miami. I know that for 1Ls and sometimes 2Ls, if we receive a resume from someone from HYS, we will interview them even if we aren’t officially hiring at that point - because it’s usually rarer to get applicants if that caliber wanting to come to Miami.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:45 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:To add to the above: you may only get offers from the top fish because other firms will assume you'll go to the best. The top firms tend to take a while to make decisions so worth being patient.


Top fish as in White & Case, GT, H&K? And is this in the context of 1L hiring or in general? I believe only W&C and Akerman are still hiring for this summer


Correct. I’m not the one you quoted, but I agree the higher ranked firms are more likely to extend an offer than the lower ranked ones. This shouldn’t matter, since the higher ranked firms are generally much better to work for (GT excepted).

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Correct. I’m not the one you quoted, but I agree the higher ranked firms are more likely to extend an offer than the lower ranked ones. This shouldn’t matter, since the higher ranked firms are generally much better to work for (GT excepted).


Why does GT get a bad rep? I've heard sweatshop rumors but all Miami firms seem like a lot of hard work

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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Anonymous User wrote:Correct. I’m not the one you quoted, but I agree the higher ranked firms are more likely to extend an offer than the lower ranked ones. This shouldn’t matter, since the higher ranked firms are generally much better to work for (GT excepted).


Why does GT get a bad rep? I've heard sweatshop rumors but all Miami firms seem like a lot of hard work


Associate in Miami.

GT pays similar to HK and Akerman, but those firms are more lifestyle firms (smaller deals, so not as chaotic).

The firms that work you hard in Miami (Weil, W&C, etc.) all pay significantly more than GT.

Therefore, if you want a good firm and a life outside of work, go to HK/Akerman (there are a few others in this group. Just referencing the larger offices). If you want to make bank, go to W&C, Weil, MWE, etc.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby LHS17 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:09 am

How do people assess the training at the top Florida firms vs the market-paying satellites?

It seems you can get a broader experience at the former, whereas the latter can be narrower, albeit with the potential for more sophisticated clients.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby portsmouth14 » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:10 am

Does anyone have information on where Stearns Weaver Miller falls compared to the top-notch florida firms? I know it is much smaller than Weil, White and Case, etc. but is it less prestigious? Pay less? More lifestyle? Really any info on that firm and its reputation would be very helpful.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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portsmouth14 wrote:Does anyone have information on where Stearns Weaver Miller falls compared to the top-notch florida firms? I know it is much smaller than Weil, White and Case, etc. but is it less prestigious? Pay less? More lifestyle? Really any info on that firm and its reputation would be very helpful.


Is a 4-office Florida firm that doesn't even sniff the AmLaw 100 less "prestigious" than two firms with dozens of international offices that are ranked in the top 20 in the world by revenue? You already know the answer to that question. Stearns Weaver isn't close to HK's level, much less Weil, W&C or Boies. But prestige shouldn't be the main factor in choosing where to work anyway -- QOL and salary matter way more. Stearns Weaver definitely doesn't pay market salary, but I can't speak to quality of life there.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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LHS17 wrote:How do people assess the training at the top Florida firms vs the market-paying satellites?

It seems you can get a broader experience at the former, whereas the latter can be narrower, albeit with the potential for more sophisticated clients.


I have not heard of vast disparities between the training or the experience offered at any of the biglaw firms in Miami. The job of a junior is the same everywhere. First years at Akerman aren't speaking in court any more than a first year at W&C would. If you want immediate hands on experience shitlaw is the way to go.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:17 pm

OP here. Is there a significant difference in lifestyle between HK and Akerman (or comparable firms like Shutts/Bilzin)? I believe HK bumped to 180 for first years and Akerman is presumably still at 160(?). I'd be happy getting an offer at either, and both salaries are v good purchasing power even servicing big debt, just wondering if Akerman is better QOL. My conception of a Miami lifestyle firm would be getting a decent (Miami) bonus at ~2,000 hours and be on partner track at ~2,200 assuming good work product and ability generate revenue. I have heard about the realistic path to partnership at Akerman

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:44 pm

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LHS17 wrote:How do people assess the training at the top Florida firms vs the market-paying satellites?

It seems you can get a broader experience at the former, whereas the latter can be narrower, albeit with the potential for more sophisticated clients.


I have not heard of vast disparities between the training or the experience offered at any of the biglaw firms in Miami. The job of a junior is the same everywhere. First years at Akerman aren't speaking in court any more than a first year at W&C would. If you want immediate hands on experience shitlaw is the way to go.


Sorry, I meant corporate. The platforms are quite different.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Is there a significant difference in lifestyle between HK and Akerman (or comparable firms like Shutts/Bilzin)? I believe HK bumped to 180 for first years and Akerman is presumably still at 160(?). I'd be happy getting an offer at either, and both salaries are v good purchasing power even servicing big debt, just wondering if Akerman is better QOL. My conception of a Miami lifestyle firm would be getting a decent (Miami) bonus at ~2,000 hours and be on partner track at ~2,200 assuming good work product and ability generate revenue. I have heard about the realistic path to partnership at Akerman


Anon working in Miami. I don’t think HK Miami is at 180 (HK only raised major markets and Miami isn’t a major market.). I think it’s 160/165. GT Miami is 165.

Nonequity partnership is realistic at Akerman even without 2200 hours for corporate, I’ve heard.

HK and Akerman aren’t very similar - one is Florida-centric and the other is more “global.” But both have better QOL. Bilzen is also similar in the QOL column.

Edit: I stand corrected. HK does pay 180 in Miami.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Is there a significant difference in lifestyle between HK and Akerman (or comparable firms like Shutts/Bilzin)? I believe HK bumped to 180 for first years and Akerman is presumably still at 160(?). I'd be happy getting an offer at either, and both salaries are v good purchasing power even servicing big debt, just wondering if Akerman is better QOL. My conception of a Miami lifestyle firm would be getting a decent (Miami) bonus at ~2,000 hours and be on partner track at ~2,200 assuming good work product and ability generate revenue. I have heard about the realistic path to partnership at Akerman


Anon working in Miami. I don’t think HK Miami is at 180 (HK only raised major markets and Miami isn’t a major market.). I think it’s 160/165. GT Miami is 165.

Nonequity partnership is realistic at Akerman even without 2200 hours for corporate, I’ve heard.

HK and Akerman aren’t very similar - one is Florida-centric and the other is more “global.” But both have better QOL. Bilzen is also similar in the QOL column.

Edit: I stand corrected. HK does pay 180 in Miami.


HK raised Miami first years to 180 about a week ago.

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Is there a significant difference in lifestyle between HK and Akerman (or comparable firms like Shutts/Bilzin)? I believe HK bumped to 180 for first years and Akerman is presumably still at 160(?). I'd be happy getting an offer at either, and both salaries are v good purchasing power even servicing big debt, just wondering if Akerman is better QOL. My conception of a Miami lifestyle firm would be getting a decent (Miami) bonus at ~2,000 hours and be on partner track at ~2,200 assuming good work product and ability generate revenue. I have heard about the realistic path to partnership at Akerman


Anon working in Miami. I don’t think HK Miami is at 180 (HK only raised major markets and Miami isn’t a major market.). I think it’s 160/165. GT Miami is 165.

Nonequity partnership is realistic at Akerman even without 2200 hours for corporate, I’ve heard.

HK and Akerman aren’t very similar - one is Florida-centric and the other is more “global.” But both have better QOL. Bilzen is also similar in the QOL column.

Edit: I stand corrected. HK does pay 180 in Miami.


HK raised Miami first years to 180 about a week ago.


It’ll be interesting to see what the other firms do (primarily GT, Bilzen, Akerman).

Edit: Miami associate anon

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Is there a significant difference in lifestyle between HK and Akerman (or comparable firms like Shutts/Bilzin)? I believe HK bumped to 180 for first years and Akerman is presumably still at 160(?). I'd be happy getting an offer at either, and both salaries are v good purchasing power even servicing big debt, just wondering if Akerman is better QOL. My conception of a Miami lifestyle firm would be getting a decent (Miami) bonus at ~2,000 hours and be on partner track at ~2,200 assuming good work product and ability generate revenue. I have heard about the realistic path to partnership at Akerman


Anon working in Miami. I don’t think HK Miami is at 180 (HK only raised major markets and Miami isn’t a major market.). I think it’s 160/165. GT Miami is 165.

Nonequity partnership is realistic at Akerman even without 2200 hours for corporate, I’ve heard.

HK and Akerman aren’t very similar - one is Florida-centric and the other is more “global.” But both have better QOL. Bilzen is also similar in the QOL column.

Edit: I stand corrected. HK does pay 180 in Miami.


HK raised Miami first years to 180 about a week ago.


Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for this, anything get written about this?

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

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redsox550 wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Is there a significant difference in lifestyle between HK and Akerman (or comparable firms like Shutts/Bilzin)? I believe HK bumped to 180 for first years and Akerman is presumably still at 160(?). I'd be happy getting an offer at either, and both salaries are v good purchasing power even servicing big debt, just wondering if Akerman is better QOL. My conception of a Miami lifestyle firm would be getting a decent (Miami) bonus at ~2,000 hours and be on partner track at ~2,200 assuming good work product and ability generate revenue. I have heard about the realistic path to partnership at Akerman


Anon working in Miami. I don’t think HK Miami is at 180 (HK only raised major markets and Miami isn’t a major market.). I think it’s 160/165. GT Miami is 165.

Nonequity partnership is realistic at Akerman even without 2200 hours for corporate, I’ve heard.

HK and Akerman aren’t very similar - one is Florida-centric and the other is more “global.” But both have better QOL. Bilzen is also similar in the QOL column.

Edit: I stand corrected. HK does pay 180 in Miami.


HK raised Miami first years to 180 about a week ago.


Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for this, anything get written about this?


They updated their comp on NALP

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Re: Is Miami biglaw still 'that' competitive?

Postby LHS17 » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:22 am

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Is there a significant difference in lifestyle between HK and Akerman (or comparable firms like Shutts/Bilzin)? I believe HK bumped to 180 for first years and Akerman is presumably still at 160(?). I'd be happy getting an offer at either, and both salaries are v good purchasing power even servicing big debt, just wondering if Akerman is better QOL. My conception of a Miami lifestyle firm would be getting a decent (Miami) bonus at ~2,000 hours and be on partner track at ~2,200 assuming good work product and ability generate revenue. I have heard about the realistic path to partnership at Akerman


Anon working in Miami. I don’t think HK Miami is at 180 (HK only raised major markets and Miami isn’t a major market.). I think it’s 160/165. GT Miami is 165.

Nonequity partnership is realistic at Akerman even without 2200 hours for corporate, I’ve heard.

HK and Akerman aren’t very similar - one is Florida-centric and the other is more “global.” But both have better QOL. Bilzen is also similar in the QOL column.

Edit: I stand corrected. HK does pay 180 in Miami.


HK raised Miami first years to 180 about a week ago.


Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source for this, anything get written about this?


They updated their comp on NALP


Why raise now after recruiting season is over?



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