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....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:25 pm
by Anonymous User
I'm 3L at a T2 school with slightly better than average grades and I have not received an offer of employment. When should I start panicking and does anyone have advice on applying JD advantage jobs?

It'd also be great if anyone had suggestions for where to apply. I'm having trouble finding places hiring.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:56 am
by JGMotorsport
Maybe. But most people where I am, T25, who are not working in larger firms (all 5% of them) are either clerking at small firms or waiting to pass the bar.

Many small firms won’t hire you until you pass the bar.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:28 pm
by deadpanic
JGMotorsport wrote:Many small firms won’t hire you until you pass the bar.


This. If you are waiting around expecting an offer before graduation or passing the bar, it is unlikely. Firms and small gov't jobs generally do not hire until after you have your license.

Apply anywhere and everywhere. Even firms and agencies that do not have job postings.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:51 pm
by gaddockteeg
You will probably not get a job before graduation. Whether or not you should be worried about that is up to you.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:44 am
by Anonymous User
Does anyone have tips for what to do in the meantime? I'm sort of on my own income wise, so I need a way to make money from now until October. Did anyone work felxible part time jobs?

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:12 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone have tips for what to do in the meantime? I'm sort of on my own income wise, so I need a way to make money from now until October. Did anyone work felxible part time jobs?


My significant other worked 2 jobs, including at a cycling studio to make ends meet

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:25 pm
by Lawworld19
Many people will not agree with me on this. Print out a ton of resumes and walk into a ton of law firms/courts/ etc and ask for 5 minutes of their time. Express your situation, things will eventually shake lose. Either they can help you directly or can give you leads. My dad owned a firm of about 30 employees and that was the advice he gave me. I landed a judicial clerkship that way within 2 weeks of pounding pavement and landed an associate position in week in my final semester of law school doing that. Some firms may not like that, granted. But with many partners and higher ups being apart of the baby boomer generation, many respect and can not turn down gusto of those sorts. Both the judge and partner who hired me said that is one of the reasons I actually got the job.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:55 pm
by TwinkleToez
Lawworld19 wrote:Many people will not agree with me on this. Print out a ton of resumes and walk into a ton of law firms/courts/ etc and ask for 5 minutes of their time. Express your situation, things will eventually shake lose. Either they can help you directly or can give you leads. My dad owned a firm of about 30 employees and that was the advice he gave me. I landed a judicial clerkship that way within 2 weeks of pounding pavement and landed an associate position in week in my final semester of law school doing that. Some firms may not like that, granted. But with many partners and higher ups being apart of the baby boomer generation, many respect and can not turn down gusto of those sorts. Both the judge and partner who hired me said that is one of the reasons I actually got the job.


That's encouraging! I think it might be harder for me, because I have slightly above average grades and went to a school in the top 50s. But, I'll give this a try. Its nice to know it worked out for someone.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:16 pm
by Lacepiece23
Lawworld19 wrote:Many people will not agree with me on this. Print out a ton of resumes and walk into a ton of law firms/courts/ etc and ask for 5 minutes of their time. Express your situation, things will eventually shake lose. Either they can help you directly or can give you leads. My dad owned a firm of about 30 employees and that was the advice he gave me. I landed a judicial clerkship that way within 2 weeks of pounding pavement and landed an associate position in week in my final semester of law school doing that. Some firms may not like that, granted. But with many partners and higher ups being apart of the baby boomer generation, many respect and can not turn down gusto of those sorts. Both the judge and partner who hired me said that is one of the reasons I actually got the job.


I think this is a really good idea. Everyone knows how hard it is to get the first legal job. This would scream to me that this person wanted it more and was willing to go after it. I’d persoanlly respect that.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:18 pm
by 1styearlateral
Lacepiece23 wrote:
Lawworld19 wrote:Many people will not agree with me on this. Print out a ton of resumes and walk into a ton of law firms/courts/ etc and ask for 5 minutes of their time. Express your situation, things will eventually shake lose. Either they can help you directly or can give you leads. My dad owned a firm of about 30 employees and that was the advice he gave me. I landed a judicial clerkship that way within 2 weeks of pounding pavement and landed an associate position in week in my final semester of law school doing that. Some firms may not like that, granted. But with many partners and higher ups being apart of the baby boomer generation, many respect and can not turn down gusto of those sorts. Both the judge and partner who hired me said that is one of the reasons I actually got the job.


I think this is a really good idea. Everyone knows how hard it is to get the first legal job. This would scream to me that this person wanted it more and was willing to go after it. I’d persoanlly respect that.

I know someone who did this in NYC to get their first gig. Ended up moving up to midlaw and now they're VP & GC at some company. Not a bad success story.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:37 pm
by Lawworld19
TBH i'm not sure you'd have the same success doing this with the extreme upper crust firms, but a firm who is looking for an associate with interpersonal skills, a frank attitude and a drive to succeed I don't think there is a better way. Also, I didn't blindly walk in like an idiot. I researched the firm briefly, where they have been, where they are headed, looking to expand (new locations etc) and told them I respected what they have done and would be appreciative to discuss any opportunities that might be available. Also, this sort of attitude seems to work best with lawyers whose partners are in their 50's-70's. Younger attorney from generation x are more skeptical and have a different mindset. Need to know who you are trying to sell to.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:09 pm
by deadpanic
Lawworld19 wrote:Many people will not agree with me on this. Print out a ton of resumes and walk into a ton of law firms/courts/ etc and ask for 5 minutes of their time. Express your situation, things will eventually shake lose. Either they can help you directly or can give you leads. My dad owned a firm of about 30 employees and that was the advice he gave me. I landed a judicial clerkship that way within 2 weeks of pounding pavement and landed an associate position in week in my final semester of law school doing that. Some firms may not like that, granted. But with many partners and higher ups being apart of the baby boomer generation, many respect and can not turn down gusto of those sorts. Both the judge and partner who hired me said that is one of the reasons I actually got the job.


This is what folks are saying regarding hustling, and this is exactly how you do it. One of the guys in our law school class near the very bottom landed a firm gig (not a prestigious firm, but what he wanted and needed) this way. Meeting someone face-to-face is a lot easier with smaller firms and lawyers that actually go to court than just e-mailing or mailing your resume without a face.

Grades aren't really going to matter for these sorts of gigs you might get.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:42 am
by JHP
Anonymous User wrote:I'm 3L at a T2 school with slightly better than average grades and I have not received an offer of employment. When should I start panicking and does anyone have advice on applying JD advantage jobs?


OP, when you say "T2" do you mean HYS level or do you mean tier 2?

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:39 pm
by MaxMcMann
JHP wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm 3L at a T2 school with slightly better than average grades and I have not received an offer of employment. When should I start panicking and does anyone have advice on applying JD advantage jobs?


OP, when you say "T2" do you mean HYS level or do you mean tier 2?

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:39 pm
by MaxMcMann
JHP wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm 3L at a T2 school with slightly better than average grades and I have not received an offer of employment. When should I start panicking and does anyone have advice on applying JD advantage jobs?


OP, when you say "T2" do you mean HYS level or do you mean tier 2?


In what world does "T2" mean HYS? Is there some secret ultra elite T1 above those that us plebs aren't even allowed to mention?

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:42 pm
by JHP
MaxMcMann wrote:
JHP wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm 3L at a T2 school with slightly better than average grades and I have not received an offer of employment. When should I start panicking and does anyone have advice on applying JD advantage jobs?


OP, when you say "T2" do you mean HYS level or do you mean tier 2?


In what world does "T2" mean HYS? Is there some secret ultra elite T1 above those that us plebs aren't even allowed to mention?


Considering that even the second person on the forum says T25, presumably Top 25 rather than tier 25, and that other people in other forums consistently misuse the "T#" it's not unreasonable to clarify, you pleb.

Re: ....Should I Be Worried Yet?

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:04 pm
by MaxMcMann
JHP wrote:
MaxMcMann wrote:
JHP wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm 3L at a T2 school with slightly better than average grades and I have not received an offer of employment. When should I start panicking and does anyone have advice on applying JD advantage jobs?


OP, when you say "T2" do you mean HYS level or do you mean tier 2?


In what world does "T2" mean HYS? Is there some secret ultra elite T1 above those that us plebs aren't even allowed to mention?


Considering that even the second person on the forum says T25, presumably Top 25 rather than tier 25, and that other people in other forums consistently misuse the "T#" it's not unreasonable to clarify, you pleb.

lol I didn't realize that people were insecure enough to differentiate T2 from HYS